Bush Tells New Orleans...

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
gojira wrote:
If the response was this bad when they had DAYS to prepare, how are they going to react when we have another 9/11 event? Yes, Bush is to blame. That’s part of being the President: taking responsibility.

Yeah, the key word here being “DAYS”.

More naive magic wand idealists.

Some of you folks are living in the wrong millenium. At this point in time, the U.S.S. Enterprise is not available and hovering in orbit around the earth waiting to beam supplies down and refugees up. You have no idea what it takes to quickly mobilize equipment and personnel in such a massive effort. Your gullibility is astounding.

I have helped fight wildfires in the West as a private contractor and I have seen firsthand a glimpse of what it takes to battle large scale natural disasters. The logistics and communication requirements are enormous. Inexperienced armchair quarterbacks such as those on this thread are so disingenuous that it borders on downright silliness.

Gojira, it doesn’t make a bit of difference if you lived in P-cola for 19 years or 119 years, you are clueless in this regard.[/quote]

Maybe they should contract out this kind of work to WalMart. They seemed to be able to respond:

"Despite the city’s multiple points of entry, our nation’s bureaucrats spent days after last week’s hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city’s stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city.

Television reporters were doing live reports from downtown New Orleans streets. Harry Connick Jr. brought in some aid Thursday, and his efforts were the focus of a “Today” show story Friday morning.

Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach."

The feds have got a lot of questions to answer. George dropping by for more photo ops is not going to make the people forget the ineptitude anytime soon.

And no, I didn’t like Clinton any better. Our system of bureaucracy is crippling. If we can’t respond faster than this to a major city that has been destroyed and left thousands of people without food and water, we’ve got a real problem. BOTH sides of the aisle have got to solve this problem.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
You are spewing bullshit son. Plain and simple.

You have no idea the extent of the response. Nobody has experience doing this type of response. Nodody. Not FEMA not the Army nobody. Save your Anti-Government bullshit for the naive, the NYT and CNN.[/quote]

I don’t know what your on but I believe all that spinning is making you dizzy. I was specifically talking about the initial response and the ensuing “spin” regarding the “lack of” intial response.

Bush and crew did NOTHING for two to three days while the rest of us watched on TV, people and reporters and city officials BEGGING for HELP while Bush officials claim they didn’t know how bad it was.

I saw it, YOU saw it, and the whole fuckin’ world saw it. Always after the fact with these fuckheads - duh, how could we ever have imagined?

Our forty-turd president was nowhere to be seen for over two days and Cheney came back from vacation a week after our worst natural disaster EVER.

Even a dingleberry lets go sooner or later.

Believe me, I’m planning on heading down there personally as soon as I can clear it. Let me know if you want to go.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Actually, you are getting into semantics. An evac order was placed on Sunday. A “total evacuation” was obviously placed the moment the entire city was viewed as inhabitable. What does that have to do with the rescue response? [/quote]

Actually, no - go read what I wrote, genius.

JTF wrote:

Which I was refuting, saying instead that the ‘right’ was talking about August 31 as the date of Blanco’s ‘total evac’ order, not the declaration of the ‘state of the emergency’, which JTF had accused the ‘right’ of claiming was August 31. There is a difference between the two that I was clearing up for JTF. No more, no less.

At no point was I getting into the merits of the evacuation orders or their timing, or who messed up where and when.

As for you and your repeated inability to either read or comprehend what I wrote, either keep up or stop wasting my time.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
At no point was I getting into the merits of the evacuation orders or their timing, or who messed up where and when.

As for you and your repeated inability to either read or comprehend what I wrote, either keep up or stop wasting my time.

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You’ll have to excuse me. It is very rare that so many of the noted conservatives on this site don’t have much to say as far as the questions being asked by many. It surprised me that you were not making a point of defense for the actions of the administration with regards to being late to respond.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
You are spewing bullshit son. Plain and simple.

You have no idea the extent of the response. Nobody has experience doing this type of response. Nodody. Not FEMA not the Army nobody. Save your Anti-Government bullshit for the naive, the NYT and CNN.

I don’t know what your on but I believe all that spinning is making you dizzy. I was specifically talking about the initial response and the ensuing “spin” regarding the “lack of” intial response.

Bush and crew did NOTHING for two to three days while the rest of us watched on TV, people and reporters and city officials BEGGING for HELP while Bush officials claim they didn’t know how bad it was.

I saw it, YOU saw it, and the whole fuckin’ world saw it. Always after the fact with these fuckheads - duh, how could we ever have imagined?

Our forty-turd president was nowhere to be seen for over two days and Cheney came back from vacation a week after our worst natural disaster EVER.

Even a dingleberry lets go sooner or later.

When your steel toed workboots are waterlogged from standing in waist deep water working in conjunction with the feds talk to me.

Morale is high, cooperation is high. Friction between the races is a media illusion. The Army is helping people not hurting them and the Coasties are working until they drop literally. Ever do your job till you passed out. Lots of Fema responders, Coaties and troops have.

You have no idea what you are talking about and too me you sound silly. Go do something that matters to help people instead of bitching those out who are.

Don’t know how. Get a box. Fill it with clothes and send to Houston, to the Astrodome.

Believe me, I’m planning on heading down there personally as soon as I can clear it. Let me know if you want to go.
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Been here since Tuesday asshole. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about as usual. Sack up for once in your life and just slink away.

You get your information from Moveon.org. Know where the 17th. st. canal is dipshit? That’s the one that broke.

What am I on. Lack of sleep and hard work. So please shut the fuck up and get in your car if your coming to help.

You criticizing the response made by others is hysterically funny. I just posted it in our command post. Men had a good laugh at your expense. Real men not pathetic pieces of shit. Drop that.

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I find this whole situation baffling. How is the President responsible for getting food and utilities turned on for people in a flooded city? Is he gonna shovel sand-bags, hand out food, cut up some trees? Or is he gonna ruffle some papers and try to do something that makes people feel good, but doesn’t really do a damn thing?

Great, he signed an aid package. Thats awesome. One day or two days or whatever.

Not to mention… On the topic of getting stuff to NOLA. Has anyone looked at how to get stuff there? I-10 isn’t gonna make it. Since the bidges are out and it’s closed in MS (and I assume torn up throughout the area in LA). The port isn’t functioning: no power, no way to really unload/move anything. Which leaves us only a few ways to get into the city, which is generally flooded. These people in shelters are INSTRUCTED to bring food/water for SEVERAL days. If you don’t it will suck. Why is it several? Maybe thats how long it takes the guys who’re sitting a hair’s breadth out of harm’s way to make it down here. In my area it was a day and half before the roads were cleared enough for people to drive. Possibly Northern LA was kinda torn up?

It seems a lot of people who’ve never been through a tropical storm, hurricane, mandatory evacuation, etc. etc. are trying to champion the cause for the poor in NOLA. Sometimes things take time and you have to be more understanding.

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A question, and it is truly neutrally intended - I don’t know the answer to it.

NO residents were told to go to the Superdome if they couldn’t get out of town.

How did those thousands of people make it there? Presumably, by foot? Or was there transportation provided?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

I wasn’t suggesting Blanco’s actions were right or wrong - JTF was claiming that the ‘right’ was saying a state of emergency wasn’t declared until later, which was erroneous.
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Actually I was referring to statements from this Wapo article which I wasn’t completely accurate on:

Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting
White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

Technically you were correct but this statement “As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.” is still false.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
A question, and it is truly neutrally intended - I don’t know the answer to it.

No residents were told to go to the Superdome if they couldn’t get out of town.

How did those thousands of people make it there? Presumably, by foot? Or was there transportation provided?

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Some drove as there were some cars outside of the dome. Some walked. Most roads were closed out of the city by the time the hurricane hit. That means the logical conclusion is that those who didn’t walk went there because they couldn’t get out of the city in time.

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PushHarder: Is that magic wand you keep refering to ,part of that Star Wars progam W was always talking about.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

Some drove as there were some cars outside of the dome. Some walked. Most roads were closed out of the city by the time the hurricane hit. That means the logical conclusion is that those who didn’t walk went there because they couldn’t get out of the city in time. [/quote]

Just to clarify - there was no transportation provided by local officials?

Again, not a loaded question. But I am trying to understand the decisionmaking at the most basic level all the way up to the President.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

Some drove as there were some cars outside of the dome. Some walked. Most roads were closed out of the city by the time the hurricane hit. That means the logical conclusion is that those who didn’t walk went there because they couldn’t get out of the city in time.

Just to clarify - there was no transportation provided by local officials?

Again, not a loaded question. But I am trying to understand the decisionmaking at the most basic level all the way up to the President.

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It appears no transportation was offered at the local level. Hundreds of schoolbuses are sitting there flooded. The could have been put to use moving the people that did not have transportation, but for some reason the mayorand his staff did not didn’t think of that.

I just saw the mayor rambling on and on about some bullshit and claiming the CIA was coming to kill him. He is really whacked out.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You are basically making excuses for the actions taken when the truth is, it should be plain as day why some people are noticing faults.

Honestly, do you not think it was the mayor of New Orleans, the Governor of LA, and the LA legislature that should have had a plan for this worst case senario? Why is this first and foremost a federal problem instead of a local problem?[/quote]

Maybe it has something to do with the Governor and the Mayor both being Democrats and as we all know… Democrats don’t blame Democrats. In the Mayor’s defense, he did build the new levy… wait a sec, I think that?s where all the breaks took place. Anyway at least Jesse Jackson is on the scene pointing out how color is involved and why racism is the real issue as to why people weren’t evacuated. I’m sure a year from now they’ll be a lot of New Orleans residents crying racism with a smirk as they turn on their new plasma’s with their new Bose entertainment systems.

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[quote]ron33 wrote:
PushHarder: Is that magic wand you keep refering to ,part of that Star Wars progam W was always talking about.[/quote]

This post reminds me to start a thread on proof that our education system is failing.

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Throttleboy: I dont know if your old enough to remember,but Ronnie reagan &Georgies daddy used to talk about Star Wars to,I thought maybe I missed The Magic Wand part of their speech.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Sounds like a post from JustTheFiction.
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pushharder? Try adding more fiber to your diet.

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BUSH’S OWN PLAN: The 2004 National Response Plan explicitly states that, at times of any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions,the federal government pre-empts local and state government in its responsibility to act quickly. After 9/11, the administration wisely dispensed with the formalities of deferring to local authorities (which, of course, in this case had already issued a state of emergency as early as August 26). The attempt by the spinners to blame this on the obviously overwhelmed and incompetent local authorities, doesn’t fit with the Bush administration’s own rules.
Proof positive can be read here.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/4/171811/1974

This is what happens when you hire a totally unqualified and incompetent individual (crony…) to run a critical organization like FEMA. Please read the following to get an idea as to the unbelievable incompetence of Michael Brown.
http://www.brendanloy.com/2005/09/you-have-got-to-be-kidding-me.html

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Sounds like a post from JustTheFiction.

pushharder? Try adding more fiber to your diet.[/quote]

True to form tactics from one who is losing an argument.