JTF -
I take great pride in knowing that you disagree with my position. It means I’m sane, and most probably correct.
Just a note to all of you who find yourself nodding in agreement with JTF’s wacked out logic - buy some tin foil, and wait for the mother ship to beam you up.
[quote]ron33 wrote:
How many acres does GW have at his ranch,maybe he could bring in some tents and outhouses and invite some of the evacuees over to his place.[/quote]
How many are staying at your house?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
doogie wrote:
I think they absolutely should have had a plan. I also know that once it was clear they didn’t have this under control, action should have been taken much faster than it was. I doubt anyone here is claiming that the local politicians did a wonderful job in this. The point is, what does that matter when people are still trapped and dying? If higher government has the means to help in what is being called a “NATIONAL tragedy” then that is who we count on these situations. Are you saying this should not be the case? Are you claiming that response time appears to you to have been faultless?
Here is some reading for you on how it works, Pro X. If you don’t like the way the system to handle natural disasters works - ie, very much a system that recognizes the police powers of the states first and foremost - call your Congressman.
http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm#sec401
And don’t embarrass yourself with comparisons to 9/11 - armed attacks and natural disasters are treated differently under law, especially as it pertains to federal jurisdiction.
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You enjoy responding in ways that add very little to a discussion. Let’s look at the procedure for declaration of a major disaster:
Answer one thing for me…when was this done? You know, right? Are you saying no one asked for help until days after the hurricane and this is why response was slow? If not, then how does giving me the procedure (which I was already aware of and eluded to several times now) factor into this at all?
The reason anyone has compared this to 9/11 is due to the scale of destruction and the comparison of response time. It isn’t because anyone is confusing protocol. I suppose this means that had this been an attack, you are saying that the response would have been quicker? Does this mean that human lives are of a lesser concern to this administration? Let me know when I stop embarassing myself with all of these questions.
[quote]Mr. Moose wrote:
Buck Nasty wrote:
to “stay the course” we have everything under control."
If this is the presidents definition of “control”, I would hate to see things getting out of control.
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I’m sure john kerry with the help of his lovely wife,the clintons, kennedy, feinstein,gore,jesse jackson,etc… would have had everything cleared up by now.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
JTF -
I take great pride in knowing that you disagree with my position. It means I’m sane, and most probably correct.
Just a note to all of you who find yourself nodding in agreement with JTF’s wacked out logic - buy some tin foil, and wait for the mother ship to beam you up. [/quote]
Sorry, I forgot how irritating facts can be to you.
As for the tin foil don’t you know there’s a shortage right now? It’s all being used in the war effort to make Humvees.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you saying no one asked for help until days after the hurricane and this is why response was slow? If not, then how does giving me the procedure (which I was already aware of and eluded to several times now) factor into this at all?
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In reference to that Prof, you know the right is trying to say the Gov didn’t declare a State of Emer until Wed the 31st under Bush’s request - when in reality she declared it on the 26th before Katrina hit.
Gov. declares state of emergency as Katrina heads for Gulf Coast
Gov. Kathleen Blanco has issued a state of emergency for Louisiana as the latest projections for Hurricane Katrina have shifted west to include much of the state’s coastline as possible locations for landfall.
“Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana,” said a release from the governor’s office.
The state of emergency extends from Friday, Aug. 26, until Sunday, Sept. 25, unless terminated sooner.
As a side, so concerned are White House officials with NO that they have enacted an emergency plan to minimize the damage.
White House Enacts a Plan to Ease Political Damage
WASHINGTON, Sept. 4 - Under the command of President Bush’s two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan this weekend to contain the political damage from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina.
It orchestrated visits by cabinet members to the region, leading up to an extraordinary return visit by Mr. Bush planned for Monday, directed administration officials not to respond to attacks from Democrats on the relief efforts, and sought to move the blame for the slow response to Louisiana state officials, according to Republicans familiar with the White House plan.
I think its funny,that so many of the people that stick up for georgie boy ,seem to have a hihger level of intelligence than him, and by the statements that are made ,you could remember the rehearsed speeches better than he ,and generally make people believe that you would be a better canidate for the job.why do people get so upset when something is said about a guy that probably 80% of the people could do better.Hell i think Jeb would do a much better job.And i know MCcain would.I mean after all hes just another kid born with a silver spoon thats had everything pretty much done for him.
[quote]Buck Nasty wrote:
to “stay the course” we have everything under control."[/quote]
I guess he could’ve told them,“Suck it up bitches!”
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Are you saying no one asked for help until days after the hurricane and this is why response was slow? If not, then how does giving me the procedure (which I was already aware of and eluded to several times now) factor into this at all?
In reference to that Prof, you know the right is trying to say the Gov didn’t declare a State of Emer until Wed the 31st under Bush’s request - when in reality she declared it on the 26th before Katrina hit.
Gov. declares state of emergency as Katrina heads for Gulf Coast
Gov. Kathleen Blanco has issued a state of emergency for Louisiana as the latest projections for Hurricane Katrina have shifted west to include much of the state’s coastline as possible locations for landfall.
“Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana,” said a release from the governor’s office.
The state of emergency extends from Friday, Aug. 26, until Sunday, Sept. 25, unless terminated sooner.
As a side, so concerned are White House officials with NO that they have enacted an emergency plan to minimize the damage.
White House Enacts a Plan to Ease Political Damage
WASHINGTON, Sept. 4 - Under the command of President Bush’s two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan this weekend to contain the political damage from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina.
It orchestrated visits by cabinet members to the region, leading up to an extraordinary return visit by Mr. Bush planned for Monday, directed administration officials not to respond to attacks from Democrats on the relief efforts, and sought to move the blame for the slow response to Louisiana state officials, according to Republicans familiar with the White House plan.
You are spewing bullshit son. Plain and simple.
You have no idea the extent of the response. Nobody has experience doing this type of response. Nodody. Not FEMA not the Army nobody. Save your Anti-Government bullshit for the naive, the NYT and CNN.
When your steel toed workboots are waterlogged from standing in waist deep water working in conjunction with the feds talk to me.
Morale is high, cooperation is high. Friction between the races is a media illusion. The Army is helping people not hurting them and the Coasties are working until they drop literally. Ever do your job till you passed out. Lots of Fema responders, Coaties and troops have.
You have no idea what you are talking about and too me you sound silly. Go do something that matters to help people instead of bitching those out who are.
Don’t know how. Get a box. Fill it with clothes and send to Houston, to the Astrodome.
[quote]hedo wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Are you saying no one asked for help until days after the hurricane and this is why response was slow? If not, then how does giving me the procedure (which I was already aware of and eluded to several times now) factor into this at all?
In reference to that Prof, you know the right is trying to say the Gov didn’t declare a State of Emer until Wed the 31st under Bush’s request - when in reality she declared it on the 26th before Katrina hit.
Gov. declares state of emergency as Katrina heads for Gulf Coast
Gov. Kathleen Blanco has issued a state of emergency for Louisiana as the latest projections for Hurricane Katrina have shifted west to include much of the state’s coastline as possible locations for landfall.
“Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana,” said a release from the governor’s office.
The state of emergency extends from Friday, Aug. 26, until Sunday, Sept. 25, unless terminated sooner.
As a side, so concerned are White House officials with NO that they have enacted an emergency plan to minimize the damage.
White House Enacts a Plan to Ease Political Damage
WASHINGTON, Sept. 4 - Under the command of President Bush’s two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan this weekend to contain the political damage from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina.
It orchestrated visits by cabinet members to the region, leading up to an extraordinary return visit by Mr. Bush planned for Monday, directed administration officials not to respond to attacks from Democrats on the relief efforts, and sought to move the blame for the slow response to Louisiana state officials, according to Republicans familiar with the White House plan.
You are spewing bullshit son. Plain and simple.
You have no idea the extent of the response. Nobody has experience doing this type of response. Nodody. Not FEMA not the Army nobody. Save your Anti-Government bullshit for the naive, the NYT and CNN.
When your steel toed workboots are waterlogged from standing in waist deep water working in conjunction with the feds talk to me.
Morale is high, cooperation is high. Friction between the races is a media illusion. The Army is helping people not hurting them and the Coasties are working until they drop literally. Ever do your job till you passed out. Lots of Fema responders, Coaties and troops have.
You have no idea what you are talking about and too me you sound silly. Go do something that matters to help people instead of bitching those out who are.
Don’t know how. Get a box. Fill it with clothes and send to Houston, to the Astrodome.
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Good post!
[quote]ron33 wrote:
I think its funny,that so many of the people that stick up for georgie boy ,seem to have a hihger level of intelligence than him, and by the statements that are made ,you could remember the rehearsed speeches better than he ,and generally make people believe that you would be a better canidate for the job.why do people get so upset when something is said about a guy that probably 80% of the people could do better.Hell i think Jeb would do a much better job.And i know MCcain would.I mean after all hes just another kid born with a silver spoon thats had everything pretty much done for him.[/quote]
WTF?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
In reference to that Prof, you know the right is trying to say the Gov didn’t declare a State of Emer until Wed the 31st under Bush’s request - when in reality she declared it on the 26th before Katrina hit.[/quote]
No, the ‘right’ - and generally those tethered to reality - is saying Blanco didn’t call for a mandatory evacuation of NO till August 31, for better or worse.
Here is a timeline a blogger put together, with links:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/category/katrina-timeline/
Interesting reading.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
In reference to that Prof, you know the right is trying to say the Gov didn’t declare a State of Emer until Wed the 31st under Bush’s request - when in reality she declared it on the 26th before Katrina hit.
No, the ‘right’ - and generally those tethered to reality - is saying Blanco didn’t call for a mandatory evacuation of NO till August 31, for better or worse.
Here is a timeline a blogger put together, with links:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/category/katrina-timeline/
Interesting reading.[/quote]
That isn’t true. They called for an evacuation on Sunday. I was sitting there watching the news when he said it. It was the first time that my area was off the hook for evacuation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That isn’t true. They called for an evacuation on Sunday. I was sitting there watching the news when he said it. It was the first time that my area was off the hook for evacuation. [/quote]
Actually it is - what you are referring to is the evacuation called for on 8-28 that said get out of town or come to the Superdome.
Blanco called for a total evac on Tuesday.
I wasn’t suggesting Blanco’s actions were right or wrong - JTF was claiming that the ‘right’ was saying a state of emergency wasn’t declared until later, which was erroneous.
I’m not getting into semantics here - merely showing that both the mayor and governor thought the Superdome could provide a safe haven but were mistaken.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
doogie wrote:
Honestly, do you not think it was the mayor of New Orleans, the Governor of LA, and the LA legislature that should have had a plan for this worst case senario? Why is this first and foremost a federal problem instead of a local problem?
Well there is a simple answer to your question. You have to know the first rule in the liberal play book. That is: if at all possible “BBF” Blame Bush First!
And they wonder why liberals are losing elections at a record rate.
Funny Stuff! :)[/quote]
As opposed to “Clinton Got a Blowjob”
You are so vile and disturbing.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That isn’t true. They called for an evacuation on Sunday. I was sitting there watching the news when he said it. It was the first time that my area was off the hook for evacuation.
Actually it is - what you are referring to is the evacuation called for on 8-28 that said get out of town or come to the Superdome.
Blanco called for a total evac on Tuesday.
I wasn’t suggesting Blanco’s actions were right or wrong - JTF was claiming that the ‘right’ was saying a state of emergency wasn’t declared until later, which was erroneous.
I’m not getting into semantics here - merely showing that both the mayor and governor thought the Superdome could provide a safe haven but were mistaken.
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Actually, you are getting into semantics. An evac order was placed on Sunday. A “total evacuation” was obviously placed the moment the entire city was viewed as inhabitable. What does that have to do with the rescue response?
How do you suggest the mayor of the city help out?? THE WHOLE TOWN IS UNDER WATER! There is nothing he can do.
The governments crisis response teams knew about this days before the hurricane even touched down on land… I’m not asking for a “magic wand” (the buzz word being used for someone with realistic expectations of our government) response. I don’t think that 48 hours after we knew the severity of the situation is unrealistic, do you? Especially when there are organizations set up to handle these kinds of things. It wasn’t like they had to form FEMA or the Red Cross the day after the hurricane, they already existed and knew what kind of damage was possible. I personally think 5 days is a little excessive in this situation.
While i understand that it was an attack and it falls under different protocols… what would have happened if we waited even one day after 9/11 to respond? 2 days? 5 days?? Imagine