I use the stairs test for intensity on leg day.
There is like 5 stairs at the entrance to my gym, and if I squatted properly going up or down them makes me INCREDIBLY angry.
Walking hurts but if you go slow its not too bad. Going up stairs is just HORRIBLE.
Fuck stairs. (today was leg day)
[quote]Westclock wrote:
I use the stairs test for intensity on leg day.
There is like 5 stairs at the entrance to my gym, and if I squatted properly going up or down them makes me INCREDIBLY angry.
Walking hurts but if you go slow its not too bad. Going up stairs is just HORRIBLE.
Fuck stairs. (today was leg day)[/quote]
I use the shit test. If the day after training legs I can’t lower myself on the bowl, I just wind up falling back on it to take a shit, then I had a good leg day.
I also hate shits and stairs after leg days, but shitty stairs are by far the worst
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Sounds like you are confused in terms of goals. If you are bodybuilding the Jujitsu and eating crap will not help that goal.
So unless you like rolling around with other sweaty guys with your head in their crotch and eating anything that isn’t nailed down, get focused.
Get on a focused program and stop doing things that will reduce recovery time, increase body fat, and overall not contribute to your goals.
Remember, the things you are doing now are perfectly designed to produce the results you now have.
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See, I actually disagree with that. I do the things I do because I like them, not because they’re particularly great for gaining muscle or strength. I mean, rock climbing is hindered by mass quantities of muscle gain, and martial arts aren’t exactly conducive to muscle gain either.
But I love them. And I don’t want to quit.
None of those things has ever made me not gain in the gym, but that’s because I know how to compensate for them. Actually I’m no longer practicing martial arts (can’t find a good gym!) but the general idea is, I think, that life should be enjoyable and if you’re really into something you should keep doing it.
In my opinion you should do the things you like, because, well, life should be enjoyable too. Besides, I’ve seen many more lean fighters than I have fat fighters. That “gut” is diet.
some of dont like the feeling you get holding on to the rail and going up stairs 2 feet on one step at a time, but we do enjoy the satisfaction of making it through and doing that extra rep. it might be a little sick and demented but in my opinion you have to be a little sick and demented in order to be any good at this shit.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
some of dont like the feeling you get holding on to the rail and going up stairs 2 feet on one step at a time, but we do enjoy the satisfaction of making it through and doing that extra rep. it might be a little sick and demented but in my opinion you have to be a little sick and demented in order to be any good at this shit.
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You gotta be a little “sick and demented” to be good at anything really. It’s gotta be an important aspect of your life.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
some of dont like the feeling you get holding on to the rail and going up stairs 2 feet on one step at a time, but we do enjoy the satisfaction of making it through and doing that extra rep. it might be a little sick and demented but in my opinion you have to be a little sick and demented in order to be any good at this shit.
You gotta be a little “sick and demented” to be good at anything really. It’s gotta be an important aspect of your life.[/quote]
not really.
you can be naturally good at a lot of things that dont require you to be a madman.
like some people are really good at chess or math or writing poetry, really nothing sick about that.
then theres stuff like BBing, Oly, PLing the stuff where everyday is always hard and its hard cause YOU MAKE IT hard. you willingly put yourself through pain every single time you go to the gym, well you do if youre doing it right. i dont know how many people actually expect there to be blood and vomitting when they play chess.
The body should change composition due to the changes in stimulus.
[quote]roybot wrote:
When I get home, I’ll gorge on chicken breasts and lettuce, maybe round off a very productive day with an hour or two of P90X.
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LOL, I love the P90X reference
[quote]OneMoreRep wrote:
roybot wrote:
When I get home, I’ll gorge on chicken breasts and lettuce, maybe round off a very productive day with an hour or two of P90X.
LOL, I love the P90X reference [/quote]
Thanks! There’s a Bruce Lee reference in there somewhere, as well 
[quote]roybot wrote:
OneMoreRep wrote:
roybot wrote:
When I get home, I’ll gorge on chicken breasts and lettuce, maybe round off a very productive day with an hour or two of P90X.
LOL, I love the P90X reference
Thanks! There’s a Bruce Lee reference in there somewhere, as well
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Speaking of which, Dragon: the Bruce Lee Story was on TV this evening. I actually watched it and it reminded me of why I don’t watch it any more. (shudder).
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
roybot wrote:
OneMoreRep wrote:
roybot wrote:
When I get home, I’ll gorge on chicken breasts and lettuce, maybe round off a very productive day with an hour or two of P90X.
LOL, I love the P90X reference
Thanks! There’s a Bruce Lee reference in there somewhere, as well
Speaking of which, Dragon: the Bruce Lee Story was on TV this evening. I actually watched it and it reminded me of why I don’t watch it any more. (shudder).[/quote]
I know what you mean: the suggestion that Bruce Lee was murdered by a 10 foot tall Chinese demon pretty much ruined it for me. The whole ‘Bruce-Lee-can’t-be-killed-by-conventional-means- and-was-literally-destroyed-by-his-own-demons’ idea was one heavy-handed metaphor too far. But I digress…
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I’m confused
“3. I’ve been slacking on the weight training a bit, yes. But I do train weights HARD.”
How do you slack and train hard at the same time?[/quote]
Let me help. He doesn’t train WITH weights; he trains THE weights…to do backflips, tight-rope walking, fire juggling…It’s all part of a “weight circus” he runs to draw extra income. Unfortunaletly PETW (People for the Ethical Treatment of Weights) has been cracking down on him recently for the deplorable conditions in which he is keeping the weights. Those f’ing cages are small as hell. And is the bullwhip really necessary?
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Sounds like you are confused in terms of goals. If you are bodybuilding the Jujitsu and eating crap will not help that goal.
So unless you like rolling around with other sweaty guys with your head in their crotch and eating anything that isn’t nailed down, get focused.
Get on a focused program and stop doing things that will reduce recovery time, increase body fat, and overall not contribute to your goals.
Remember, the things you are doing now are perfectly designed to produce the results you now have.
See, I actually disagree with that. I do the things I do because I like them, not because they’re particularly great for gaining muscle or strength. I mean, rock climbing is hindered by mass quantities of muscle gain, and martial arts aren’t exactly conducive to muscle gain either.
But I love them. And I don’t want to quit.
None of those things has ever made me not gain in the gym, but that’s because I know how to compensate for them. Actually I’m no longer practicing martial arts (can’t find a good gym!) but the general idea is, I think, that life should be enjoyable and if you’re really into something you should keep doing it.
In my opinion you should do the things you like, because, well, life should be enjoyable too. Besides, I’ve seen many more lean fighters than I have fat fighters. That “gut” is diet.[/quote]
I agree. You should do what you want. But don’t come whining that you can’t gain muscle if you are doing all these things that hinder hypertrophy because you like them.
[quote]Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
I’m confused
“3. I’ve been slacking on the weight training a bit, yes. But I do train weights HARD.”
How do you slack and train hard at the same time?
Let me help. He doesn’t train WITH weights; he trains THE weights…to do backflips, tight-rope walking, fire juggling…It’s all part of a “weight circus” he runs to draw extra income. Unfortunaletly PETW (People for the Ethical Treatment of Weights) has been cracking down on him recently for the deplorable conditions in which he is keeping the weights. Those f’ing cages are small as hell. And is the bullwhip really necessary?[/quote]
and the ‘lol’ award goes to…
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
some of dont like the feeling you get holding on to the rail and going up stairs 2 feet on one step at a time, but we do enjoy the satisfaction of making it through and doing that extra rep. it might be a little sick and demented but in my opinion you have to be a little sick and demented in order to be any good at this shit.
You gotta be a little “sick and demented” to be good at anything really. It’s gotta be an important aspect of your life.
not really.
you can be naturally good at a lot of things that dont require you to be a madman.
like some people are really good at chess or math or writing poetry, really nothing sick about that.
then theres stuff like BBing, Oly, PLing the stuff where everyday is always hard and its hard cause YOU MAKE IT hard. you willingly put yourself through pain every single time you go to the gym, well you do if youre doing it right. i dont know how many people actually expect there to be blood and vomitting when they play chess.[/quote]
your confusing hobbyist with the good ones. Those chess masters don’t seem all together, and I’ve never seen a world renown mathmatician that didn’t run from women the first time he met them. And poets… how many good straight poets do you know? who don’t write about killing people?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
some of dont like the feeling you get holding on to the rail and going up stairs 2 feet on one step at a time, but we do enjoy the satisfaction of making it through and doing that extra rep. it might be a little sick and demented but in my opinion you have to be a little sick and demented in order to be any good at this shit.
You gotta be a little “sick and demented” to be good at anything really. It’s gotta be an important aspect of your life.
not really.
you can be naturally good at a lot of things that dont require you to be a madman.
like some people are really good at chess or math or writing poetry, really nothing sick about that.
then theres stuff like BBing, Oly, PLing the stuff where everyday is always hard and its hard cause YOU MAKE IT hard. you willingly put yourself through pain every single time you go to the gym, well you do if youre doing it right. i dont know how many people actually expect there to be blood and vomitting when they play chess.
your confusing hobbyist with the good ones. Those chess masters don’t seem all together, and I’ve never seen a world renown mathmatician that didn’t run from women the first time he met them. And poets… how many good straight poets do you know? who don’t write about killing people?
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if you can compare chess, math and poetry to what you do with a straight face, you need to step up the intensity.
Lots of good points in these replies.
-I know where are flaws in my training, but my whole point was just that after ALL this hard physical work, I would expect a little more looks than I’ve got. (I look like I don’t train anything.)
OK I’m 5’7" about 180 lbs, 29yrs old. (I’ll try to get a pic) Weightrained a year ago (mostly 5X5 powerlifting & explosive freeweight stuff) - made some good progress.
My PR in 20 rep squats was about 260 lbs, which, considering how weak I’ve been, to me, is a huge accomplishment. I really don’t care what people say about that, I know what I had to go through to achieve that.
However, since training BJJ I’ve lost a lot of strength.
I think it’s all the crazy conditioning + rolling for over 1.5 hours. It’s too much and my body is eating itself or something. Also I don’t sleep as well as I should.
I’ve been training BJJ for a little over 6 months and for some time stopped training weights. Everytime I return to the weightroom for squats, deadlifts, etc. I get DEATH DOMS for like 5 days.
I know I’ve regressed and need to start slowly again, but anyways.
I think I’m doing too much conditioning, not enough STEADY lifting.
I have a BIG tournament coming up next month, after that, I might go back to the weightroom for a few months, and scale back the BJJ to like, once a week.
Tek telling us you have a problem…
Is no help unless WE can see the problem.
So help us, help you, in 3 different posts do:
Current Nutrition Sunday-Monday (YOU DO HAVE A PLAN ?)
Current Weight Training Sunday - Monday (YOU DO HAVE A PLAN?)
Current Cardio/Conditioning/BJJ/Wtf ever
If you can supply all 3 of those, then we can endeavour to get to the bottom of your problem, if you don’t provide those then unless some poster has access to some crystal ball we cant help you.
P.S. - If your not gaining weight, your not eating enough.
Scientific FACT
[quote]tektools wrote:
Lots of good points in these replies.
-I know where are flaws in my training, but my whole point was just that after ALL this hard physical work, I would expect a little more looks than I’ve got. (I look like I don’t train anything.)
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If you don’t look like workout then your not working hard enough, pretty much self explanatory yes ? I mean talk to some African people who walk 10 miles for some water carry it back and then chop some firewood, work ALL day and look like a bag of skin and bones !!! Ask them what they think they need, might surprise you
[quote]tektools wrote:
OK I’m 5’7" about 180 lbs, 29yrs old.
Weightrained a year ago (mostly 5X5 powerlifting & explosive freeweight stuff) - made some good progress.
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If your 5ft7" and you dont look like you train, theres an easy answer for this… you must be overweight. Your current nutrition plan must be the worst designed program of all time, and when you write it dont forget the choclate bar here and there and the sugary drinks etc etc
[quote]tektools wrote:
I’ve been training BJJ for a little over 6 months and for some time stopped training weights. Everytime I return to the weightroom for squats, deadlifts, etc. I get DEATH DOMS for like 5 days.
[/quote]
For some time you stopped lifting weights… define SOME time ?
As for the everytime i return comment, that screams inconsistency. You dont magic muscle out of nowhere you have to weight train on a REGULAR BASIS FOR MANY MANY MANY SESSIONS to get anywhere.
[quote]tektools wrote:
I know I’ve regressed and need to start slowly again, but anyways.
I think I’m doing too much conditioning, not enough STEADY lifting.
[/quote]
See you know your own problem, your doing a little of everything and alot of nothing ! That equals a big fat ZERO overall.
You need to start prioritizing what you want, randomly doing shit day by day will get you no where and you will be back in another year asking WTF I LOOK LIKE I DONT LIFT !