I dont know much about MMA or martial arts…BUT
if I recall in bruce lees first american movie he has a fight at the beginning of the movie and he does judo and I believe goes to the ground and locks his opponents arm…
too me this would leave me to believe that guy was a head of his time at least at that time…I think 72?
for him to be incorporating more than just one martial art?
please correct me if I am wrong?
Gotta love senseless anachronism.
What if Gengis Khan was the leader of the free world today? Do you think he’d invade Iraq? And what would his views be on stem cell research?
No way peoples!
Bruce Lee would kick ASS. Sure he weighs as much as an average chick. (150lbs.)
And Sure there have never been any recorded fights. And he never participated in any official tournaments… but LOOK AT HIS MOVIES.
He BEAT CHUCK NORRIS!!!
And we ALL know that if it happened in a movie, it happened in real life. All of Bruce Lee’s movies were documented events. All the fights were real.
Just ask him.
And never mind about the fact that today’s fighters are stronger, faster, bigger, and better trained in a variety of martial arts.
He’s BRUCE LEE.
He doesn’t need muscle and speed. He’s got technique. And EVERYONE knows that technique beats a blend of strength, spped, & skill every single time.
Bruce Lee’s got the MOJO too!
And no one stands up to the MOJO!
[quote]thomas.galvin wrote:
Judo Gene Labell could take down Lee pretty much at will. He never made a big deal of it, but he did walk over and grab him a couple of times, just to let him know it was possible.
Labell wasn’t that good of a fighter. Good Judoka, but not a MMA guy. a MMA guy would quite handily take out Labell, and, hence, Lee.[/quote]
LeBell, for his day and age, was a great fighter. Excellent all around grappler with or without a gi. Not sure of his striking, but I know he’s trained various striking arts. He would have made a great MMA fighter. There’s a reason guys like Gokor and Karo Parisyan trained with him. Everyone respects Gene.
[quote]mtotry wrote:
I dont know much about MMA or martial arts…BUT
if I recall in bruce lees first american movie he has a fight at the beginning of the movie and he does judo and I believe goes to the ground and locks his opponents arm…
too me this would leave me to believe that guy was a head of his time at least at that time…I think 72?
for him to be incorporating more than just one martial art?
please correct me if I am wrong? [/quote]
if you’re thinking of the same scene that I am, it was a failed armbar attempt that he transitioned into a “crucifix” neck crank. pretty nice combo, actually.
Bruce probaly would have done ok. Although he never fought CHuck Norris, Norris has said that Bruce was the best fighter he ever saw and that bruce could probaly handle him. (chuck norris won karate championship noncontact)
Lets just say this , if the UFC had a 130 lb weight class, he’d dominate.
[quote]Res Judicata wrote:
LeBell, for his day and age, was a great fighter. Excellent all around grappler with or without a gi. Not sure of his striking, but I know he’s trained various striking arts. He would have made a great MMA fighter. There’s a reason guys like Gokor and Karo Parisyan trained with him. Everyone respects Gene.
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a pink gi at that!
Bruce Lee didn’t even start out doing the fight scenes in his own movies. He had a stunt double named Bot Chong, who was actually Tommy Chong’s brother. Anyway, Bot did all Bruce’s fight scenes and sex scenes. Bruce was originally really more a director than an actor.
In 1968, before any of his major American films, Bruce and Bot have a fallout because Bot had fallen in love with Bruce. Although there is supposedly a sex tape of the two on the internet, Bruce denies everything.
When Bruce started his American films and American martial art studios in the late 60’s, early 70’s, he used some styles unheard of in America at the time. One of these styles was to have the student practice explosive punches and explosive kicks on separate days, and on two other days, practice striking for strength.
Bruce had a student that mastered this technique to perfection. His name was Louie Simmons and he later began to teach similar techniques that eventually developed into what is now known as Westside training.
Once Bruce hit the height of his American popularity, he found himself amidst scandal once again. One of his former students, Stanley Williams, had a lead role in forming a major L.A. street gang. That lead to Lee developing his “Kick Out Crime” campaign.
His son remained active in anti-gang campaigning even after Bruce Lee’s death. In fact, it was Brandon Lee that negotiated the Watts peace treaty.
In 1973, Bruce Lee was at the height of his American popularity. He was also at the height of his fighting success having just defeated a heavy weight boxer, an Olympic wrestler, two street fighters, a Navy SEAL, Ric Flair, and Mean Joe Greene in a Battle Royal exhibition match. However his success wouldn’t last long. He soon died from what is now known as complications from AIDS.
Long Live Bruce Lee!!
[quote]Res Judicata wrote:
LeBell, for his day and age, was a great fighter. Excellent all around grappler with or without a gi. Not sure of his striking, but I know he’s trained various striking arts. He would have made a great MMA fighter. There’s a reason guys like Gokor and Karo Parisyan trained with him. Everyone respects Gene.
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No argument. Good Judoka, competant boxer, if memory serves. But compared to the guys running around today… it’s a different game.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Some Funny-ass stuff![/quote]
I need a good laugh.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Bruce Lee didn’t even start out doing the fight scenes in his own movies. He had a stunt double named Bot Chong, who was actually Tommy Chong’s brother. Anyway, Bot did all Bruce’s fight scenes and sex scenes. Bruce was originally really more a director than an actor.
In 1968, before any of his major American films, Bruce and Bot have a fallout because Bot had fallen in love with Bruce. Although there is supposedly a sex tape of the two on the internet, Bruce denies everything.
When Bruce started his American films and American martial art studios in the late 60’s, early 70’s, he used some styles unheard of in America at the time. One of these styles was to have the student practice explosive punches and explosive kicks on separate days, and on two other days, practice striking for strength.
Bruce had a student that mastered this technique to perfection. His name was Louie Simmons and he later began to teach similar techniques that eventually developed into what is now known as Westside training.
Once Bruce hit the height of his American popularity, he found himself amidst scandal once again. One of his former students, Stanley Williams, had a lead role in forming a major L.A. street gang. That lead to Lee developing his “Kick Out Crime” campaign.
His son remained active in anti-gang campaigning even after Bruce Lee’s death. In fact, it was Brandon Lee that negotiated the Watts peace treaty.
In 1973, Bruce Lee was at the height of his American popularity. He was also at the height of his fighting success having just defeated a heavy weight boxer, an Olympic wrestler, two street fighters, a Navy SEAL, Ric Flair, and Mean Joe Greene in a Battle Royal exhibition match. However his success wouldn’t last long. He soon died from what is now known as complications from AIDS.
Long Live Bruce Lee!![/quote]
Hahaha…That is fucking gold
[quote]thomas.galvin wrote:
Res Judicata wrote:
LeBell, for his day and age, was a great fighter. Excellent all around grappler with or without a gi. Not sure of his striking, but I know he’s trained various striking arts. He would have made a great MMA fighter. There’s a reason guys like Gokor and Karo Parisyan trained with him. Everyone respects Gene.
No argument. Good Judoka, competant boxer, if memory serves. But compared to the guys running around today… it’s a different game.[/quote]
it is a different game but, if you can imagine lee being here today, you have to take lee on a level playing field. not lee in 1970 but lee today, with all current knowledge and training available. it’s hard to imagine a guy with that much intelligence, ability, and DRIVE not doing well.
It’s interesting that you mentioned Gene here. The story goes that Seagal started talking smack in a restaurant, and Gene choked his ass unconscious. So unconscious he peed in his pants.
I always have a healthy skepticism of the ability of anyone who didn’t or doesn’t compete in some form of full contact fighting.
That being said I’m sure Lee was a great teacher. His best pupils, Joe Lewis and Chuck Norris owned the fight game in their day.
[quote]swivel wrote:
not lee in 1970 but lee today, with all current knowledge and training available. it’s hard to imagine a guy with that much intelligence, ability, and DRIVE not doing well. [/quote]
Actually its very easy to imagine. If he was still alive he’d be what. 65ish?
I don’t think he’d stand a chance against any trained opponent. Especially in the ring.
[quote]MrCritical wrote:
It’s interesting that you mentioned Gene here. The story goes that Seagal started talking smack in a restaurant, and Gene choked his ass unconscious. So unconscious he peed in his pants.
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I believe Gene choked him out on the set of a movie. Gene was doing some consulting for some fight scenes and heard Seagal was giving the stuntmen shit, for example he was notorious for randomly kicking stuntmen in the balls. Stephen Quadros actually has a hilarious story about this as well when he helped with Exit Wounds. But anyways, Gene challenged him and choked him out, though the pants pissing may be just a rumor.
Yet another Bruce Lee deification thread. Thank you. My day wouldn’t have been complete. 
Lee would get whooped easily. MMA matches aren’t scripted like his movies were. Doing pretty katas is one thing. Reversing a takedown into a submission hold is another thing.
I am honestly surprised by these responses.
*In 2004, UFC president Dana White credited Bruce Lee as the “father of mixed martial arts”
*Bruce Lee’s evaluation of traditional martial arts doctrines is nowadays seen as one of the first steps into the modern style of mixed martial arts.
*Bruce Lee’s striking speed from 60cm (24 inches) away was five hundredths of a second.
*Bruce did one-hand push ups using only 2 fingers.
*Bruce’s famous “One Inch Punch” was able to knock back and off balance a 200lb man into a chair, using only 1 inch of striking distance.
*Bruce was able to break a 70 kg (154 lbs) bag with a sidekick.
*Bruce was able to hold a 57 kg (125 lb) barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds.
*The weight training program that Lee used during a stay in Hong Kong in 1965 indicated biceps curls of 36kg (79 lbs) and eight repetitions for endurance. This translates to an estimated one repetition maximum of 50kg, (110 lbs) placing Lee in approximately the 100th percentile for the 55 to 64 kilogram weight class (121-141 Lbs).
To respond to the opener,
Bruce Lee was an innovator, and his ideas were ahead of their time. The philosphy behind Jeet Kune Do is to combine the best from every martial art. Not just stand up kick boxing, or any other one technique. Secondly, Lee believed endurance was extremely important in fighting. Both of these philosophies, which he embraced, are the backbone of today’s MMA.
Although many of his philosophies are outdated today, I am certain he would have continued to develop, and not just stagnate with his 1973 mind set. If Bruce Lee were alive today, I bet he would have a host of title holders under his training. Would he be fighting today, or would he have fought? Probably not in the past, and definitely not today. The man evolved from fighting himself, to teaching others to fight (movies, kunf fu studios etc.).
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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I am honestly surprised by these responses.
*In 2004, UFC president Dana White credited Bruce Lee as the “father of mixed martial arts”
*Bruce Lee’s evaluation of traditional martial arts doctrines is nowadays seen as one of the first steps into the modern style of mixed martial arts.
*Bruce Lee’s striking speed from 60cm (24 inches) away was five hundredths of a second.
*Bruce did one-hand push ups using only 2 fingers.
*Bruce’s famous “One Inch Punch” was able to knock back and off balance a 200lb man into a chair, using only 1 inch of striking distance.
*Bruce was able to break a 70 kg (154 lbs) bag with a sidekick.
*Bruce was able to hold a 57 kg (125 lb) barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds.
*The weight training program that Lee used during a stay in Hong Kong in 1965 indicated biceps curls of 36kg (79 lbs) and eight repetitions for endurance. This translates to an estimated one repetition maximum of 50kg, (110 lbs) placing Lee in approximately the 100th percentile for the 55 to 64 kilogram weight class (121-141 Lbs).
To respond to the opener,
Bruce Lee was an innovator, and his ideas were ahead of their time. The philosphy behind Jeet Kune Do is to combine the best from every martial art. Not just stand up kick boxing, or any other one technique. Secondly, Lee believed endurance was extremely important in fighting. Both of these philosophies, which he embraced, are the backbone of today’s MMA.
Although many of his philosophies are outdated today, I am certain he would have continued to develop, and not just stagnate with his 1973 mind set. If Bruce Lee were alive today, I bet he would have a host of title holders under his training. Would he be fighting today, or would he have fought? Probably not in the past, and definitely not today. The man evolved from fighting himself, to teaching others to fight (movies, kunf fu studios etc.).
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*Dana White has acted like he did not know who Fedor was in an interview.
*There are plenty of boxers who have extremely fast hands especially at the lighter weights.
*I know many Kyokushin Karate guys who can do one and two finger push-ups. It isn’t a skill useful for fighting.
*Who cares about a one inch punch used in a demonstration against an untrained person? Will that help in mma?
*Break a 70kg bag? Plenty of guys can do that, especially when they get to use a sidekick.
*Isometric barbell holds and dumbbell curls won’t help you in a ring or cage.
Was he some kind of transcendent god of a man who could beat any mortal into submission? Come on…anyone can be touched…even Rickson/Fedor etc. But Bruce studied and trained hard to minimize his vulnerabilities and maximize his strengths. Compact punching, high speed strikes, great range and mobility, stamina unprecedented in martial arts at the time.
Bruce did talk a lot, but you have to understand, he wasn’t just bragging on himself, he was looking to break down conventional, dated modalities of thought in the martial arts world that had lingered for decades and even centuries. Many would argue he succeeded, and that MMA is in part a result of that, or at the very least, a realization and validation of some of the ideas he proposed. Just some food for thought.