Brotherhood of Iron 2.0

Good day for me at the gym:

A1. Bench Press
185 x5
185 x5
195 x5
205 x3
225 x2 (*PR)

A2. Bent-over Barbell Row
185 x5
195 x5
205 x5
205 x5
225 x3 (*PR)

B1. DB Incline press
60’s x8
70’s x8
70’s x7

B2. Cable seated row
156 x 8/8/10

C1. Decline DB Flies
35’s x8
40’s x8
40’s x8

C2. Bent Over Rear Delt Raise
15’s x8
20’s x8
25’s x10

I definitely felt better in the gym today. Those bench and row numbers keep going up and I’m fucking loving it!

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
So i’ve got a very wealthy Aunt that is taking me to lunch today before i move.

I am going to do some serious damage at this steak house.

–JB[/quote]

48oz. Porterhouse FTW!

[quote]jstines wrote:
Good day for me at the gym:

A1. Bench Press
185 x5
185 x5
195 x5
205 x3
225 x2 (*PR)
[/quote]

Nice work man. My bench is getting stronger every time too. I think a lot of it has to do with that fact that I moved my hands out a bit. I went from pinkies on the power rings to the power rings being between my middle and index fingers. It’s maybe an inch difference but everything about my bench feels stronger and more solid now. I might try moving my grip out a bit more too.

[quote]dre wrote:

Nice work man. My bench is getting stronger every time too. I think a lot of it has to do with that fact that I moved my hands out a bit. I went from pinkies on the power rings to the power rings being between my middle and index fingers. It’s maybe an inch difference but everything about my bench feels stronger and more solid now. I might try moving my grip out a bit more too.[/quote]

Same thing here. The wider grip was the key I’ve been missing all these years

ok cool guysI’ll send ya’ll those programs as soon as I can, its a basic program, no frills attached, just strength training 101…every person that I have ever helped in my life start strength training has had to do it at least once,

because its simple, yet brutal, and it helps weed out the pansies from the real interested,and it builds a phenomenal level of basic strength and conditions you mind and body to the basic premise of strength training…and to be honest with you, most people give up 95% really…for various reasons…

usually the first reason is that they can’t stop training with thier old habits, they just have to keep lifting 3x10 or whatever and have to have back days and arm days and incline press.etc…

and if that doesn’t make them quit 6x6 week certainly does, they put to much effort doing other things from the start and they underestimate just how hard 6x5, 6x6 and 5x5 weeks really are…

so I’ll send it no prob good luck and keep me in the loop, and if it really doesn’t interest you, please by all means, don’t do it, don’t waste mine or your time, its all good :slight_smile:

yes I have tried westside, and I’ll try not to go off here on a rant, but for the most part every great westside lifter has a background in different training…Louie was a prgressive style trainer for years and built a solid core strength BEFORE westside cam e around…

so did everyone else, just like Dorian and his HIT or anyone and DC, YEARS of experience first…so when I see beginners with very basic strength levels doing westside it makes me cringe…

one thing you have to remember (I have had several phone conversations with louie simmons btw and he is a great guy) is that mr. simmons is a marketer as well as a trainer, and doesn’t want you to see all the years of training he and his disciples did prior t westside,

you also have to realize that westside guys train with MULTI PLY gear, and they are on steriods YEAR round, they never cycle off…

yes I have used westside and it is a good training method for the experienced lifter, but it is far from ideal for a drug free raw lifter, but you really must absolutely have years of experience I personally feel for it to be effective like its supposed to be…and thats just my humble OPINION

Nate,

Your post is a prime example of what makes this site and this thread so great. Brutally honest opinions from experienced guys who have actually TRIED the stuff they comment on and aren’t afraid to slaughter a few sacred cows to get an honest opinion out there.

Thank you and I look forward to putting every ounce of effort I have into the program you send.

ok, workout 1-1 of Nate’s routine

Back Squat
135 x 10
135 x 10
225 x 3
6 x 2 @ 305

Bench Press - I grip with index fingers on the ring

135 x 10
135 x 10
225 x 3
6 x 3 @ 260

Comments: I was only scheduled to do 250 on the bench, but i recently did 8x3 with 255, so i figured i could bump it, and i still got all my sets, so im gonna add ten pounds to all my bench poundage for the next 10 weeks of the program.

Felt a little weird leaving with only two exercises done, but i definitely feel like i did some work. Looking forward to Dead Lift day on Monday.

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
ok, workout 1-1 of Nate’s routine

Back Squat
135 x 10
135 x 10
225 x 3
6 x 2 @ 305

Bench Press - I grip with index fingers on the ring

135 x 10
135 x 10
225 x 3
6 x 3 @ 260

Comments: I was only scheduled to do 250 on the bench, but i recently did 8x3 with 255, so i figured i could bump it, and i still got all my sets, so im gonna add ten pounds to all my bench poundage for the next 10 weeks of the program.

Felt a little weird leaving with only two exercises done, but i definitely feel like i did some work. Looking forward to Dead Lift day on Monday.[/quote]

I like the looks of this program already. Heavy weight, low reps.

JB man, you gotta do deads on wednesday my man, do squats on monday thats fine, but the way the prgaram is designed is for deads to be in between squat and bench, because you still squat on both days, and your back is going to be so sore from deadlifting esp on 6x6 day that squat 2 days later would be disasterous…

so stick with the basic plan man, squat heavy on monday, dead on wed and bench on fri…

[quote]underthestar wrote:
JB man, you gotta do deads on wednesday my man, do squats on monday thats fine, but the way the program is designed is for deads to be in between squat and bench, because you still squat on both days,

and your back is going to be so sore from deadlifting esp on 6x6 day that doing heavy squat 2 days later , then light squat again 2 days later would be disasterous…so stick with the basic plan man, squat heavy on monday or friday either one, dead on wed and bench heavy on fri or monday…[/quote]

there sorry…fixed

Thanks for your opinion Nate.

I’m gonna give it a run anyhow now that I’ve done most of the planning already, but I have a strong feeling I’ll be asking for your program afterwards. I’ll be back tomorrow with DE squat.

I had to cut yesterday’s olympic lifting workout in half because of time constraints, so I only managed a bit of technique work on the snatch and the C&J, followed by a few sets of pause front squats with 80 and 85 kg for sets of 3-4 reps.

Today I had my chest workout, and it didn’t go too well. I can’t seem to find any isolation exercises that I feel hit my chest (feel it mostly in my delts), so next time I’ll try a few more but if I can’t then I’ll just stick to the basics and add more sets to my compound lifts and drop the isolation movements.

DB bench press
30 x 8
45 x 6
60 x 7,4,4,3

Incline bench to neck, wide grip (will switch to low-incline DB press next week).
115 x 5,4,5

cable crossovers, pecdeck and machine bench all pretty much hit my chest so I didn’t really put any effort into them, so no need to post it

Close-grip bench press
135 x 3,3,2,2 *don’t nkow why I was so weak

Close-grip cable extensions (c.t.)
90 x 9,4,3

Wide-grip cable ext. (c.t.)
60 x 10,6,5

DB ext.
10 x 7,6,4

I love training my triceps, I could do it all day long. I wish I could say the same for my biceps, but it just isn’t the case, I don’t get the same enjoyment out of it. Oh well

H4M by all means man, carry on, thats awesome…don’t let my opinion deter you any give it your all! like I said it was just my opinion thats all

08/29/08

HIGH BAR ATG SQUATS-
135x10
225x10
315x10
405x8
495x2

LEG PRESS-
1085x12
1375x8

HACK SQUATS-
345x15
695x8 (all time pr)

LYING LEG CURLS-
12 platesx12
17 platesx10

DB ROMANIAN SLDL-
150sx12

ONE LEGGED LYING LEG CURLS-
8 platesx10

STANDING BB CALF RAISES-
495x15
495x12

SEATED CALF RAISES-
225x15
225x12

Nate, Im still going to keep the spacing of the workouts the same, my next session will be the dead lifts, then the heavy squat workout two days after that, should be fine as long as i do the workouts in order right ?

ME DL
Sumo DL
135 2x5
185 1x3
225 1x3
245 1x1
275 1x1
295 1x5PR

[quote]underthestar wrote:
08/29/08

HIGH BAR ATG SQUATS-
135x10
225x10
315x10
405x8
495x2

LEG PRESS-
1085x12
1375x8

HACK SQUATS-
345x15
695x8 (all time pr)

LYING LEG CURLS-
12 platesx12
17 platesx10

DB ROMANIAN SLDL-
150sx12

ONE LEGGED LYING LEG CURLS-
8 platesx10

STANDING BB CALF RAISES-
495x15
495x12

SEATED CALF RAISES-
225x15
225x12[/quote]

Dude, every time I check this thread out I end up seeing a post from you about your latest leg session…

Tom Platz Jr., all right :wink:
Now go do 500 for 23… I know you’ll be able to, someday :wink:

Today’s Workout Session.

Now here it is:

T-Bars (The row)

72 kg, for 8 reps. It was hard. I pyramided up to this intense set, going harder and harder, and the sweat pured. The blood was in my head, pounding away.

Pulldowns, with a wide grip

These today were hard. I did:

Up to 72kg, for 7 reps, going crazy and pulling with all the might I had on the last rep. Then afterwards the weight fell lower… and the reps went higher, pounding them out like an animal.

Barbell Shrugs, in the rack

The weight was heavy. 140kg top set at 12 reps… pulling on me to fall on the ground but I resisted. And got the reps. Next time, more weight. The bar is begging to be bended.

It was a good session. Short. Strong. Next time more weight, except pulldowns I think more reps… but maybe a little more weight :wink:

Yesterday’s shoulder session.

Standing Military Press:

95x15
115x12
135x10
95x8 (dropset)

Bent-over DB Reverse Fly:

35x15
35x13
35x12

DB Side Lateral:

35x12
35x11
35x11

BB Shrug:

315x15
315x15
315x15

Today’s arm session (each tricep exercise was supersetted with rest with a bicep exercise)

Skullcrusher / Pinwheel Curl (reps per arm):

75x16 / 40x15
85x15 / 50x15
105x10.5 / 60x12
115x6 / 70x8

Tricep Pressdown / BB Curl:

130x20 / 70x16
150x16 / 80x12
175x10 / 90x11

Bench Dip / Reverse-grip EZbar Curl

BWx25 / 60x18
+25x23 / 70x15
+45x21 / 80x13

Awesome work on sumos xb.

Here’s todays DE squat:

Box Squat (right at parallel):

125x5
220x2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2

Good Mornings:
215x5/5/5 (got a bit more depth, felt better than last week’s)

Ab work (side plankes, weighted crunches, hanging leg raises)

Looking forward to DE bench, but especially ME bench, because I rigged up a board press I can strap to myself using a belt lol. So 2 board press will be the name of the game then.

Have fun with your own power program JB, let’s see how our results match up. Heck, maybe after we’re done we could switch haha.