Brotherhood of Iron 2.0

Friday was Back, arms, and shoulder rehab stuff for me.

Rack Chins:

+75x10, 5, 2 +partials

*Great stretch, awesome pump. Was surprised by how much weight I could add.
*Thanks sentohuy for the backpack idea, wore it on the front to look extra toolish. But mostly so it wouldn’t rip with 3 25 lb. plates inside of it.

Rack Pull w/ Shrug:

515x6 or 7, 425x12

*CC I read you talking about the shrugging back and pushing the chest out as much as possible so I did them like that. I must say I definitely was feeling all kinds of new sore the next day and honestly still a bit sore today. :wink:

Ok Arms / Shoulder rehab stuff. I didn’t log any numbers as I still can’t do any heavy pressing so my tricep work is like v-bar cable pressdowns and other lame shit. Biceps I did cable concentration curls, etc. All kinds of stuff that don’t cause any shoulder pain.

In between sets of arms I was doing BB Bench with just the bar for very very high reps and then 5 lb. external rotations for very high reps. I’ll be doing this every day probably until the shoulder is better, as well as the “shoulder dislocates”.

Josh - I’ve been making sure to do shoulder dislocates too. Man, I really suck at those! haha

Well, started with a new split, today was back day. Went as follows:

Seated rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 130, 130, 140, then a backoff of 15 reps @ 90

Bent Over Cable Rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 80, 80, 90, then a backoff of 17 reps @ 60

Straight Arm Pulldowns, 3x15 @ 40

Chinups, was pretty gassed at this point, only got 2x4 reps

Was a good workout all in all, short and sweet, got a good pump going and will probably be quite sore tommorrow.

What do you guys use when you do the shoulder dislocates?

I just use a jump rope, pull it tight a little wider then shoulder width apart, and do em, I tyr to keep tension on the rope at all times. It’s pretty good, I do it before I bench.

[quote]xb-C wrote:
What do you guys use when you do the shoulder dislocates?

I just use a jump rope, pull it tight a little wider then shoulder width apart, and do em, I tyr to keep tension on the rope at all times. It’s pretty good, I do it before I bench.[/quote]

I use anything that can stretch. The gym has some bands that work great for me. I need to move my arms out more in order to get them back in front of me.

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Bug having 2 arm days a weak will be all about finding the right way to work them into your split so they don’t effect your back/chest workouts.

Maybe try doing Chest/tris, Back/bis with your normal split?

Your split is

M - Legs
T - Chest
W - Back
Th - Arms?
F - Off
Sa - Shoulders?
Su - Off

Maybe try…

M - Legs
T - Chest/tri
W - Back/bi
Th - Shoulders
F - Off
Sa - Arms
Su - Off

Maybe try cutting back volume a bit on the chest/back part of the workouts to allow more time/recovery for the arms part. If I remember correctly you currently do like 4 exercises for chest and 4 for back right? You could probably get away with 2 for each and then add in arm stuff.

Like for Back it would be Rack Chins, Rack Pulls w/ Shrug back, then whatever arm stuff you add? [/quote]

Josh, I like the sound of that split idea. My chest day is already really low volume (decline, incline DB, and pec deck finisher which barely counts as an exercise… I’m in and out in less than 45 minutes), and on back day, yeah, I’m doing 4 exercises (rack chins, lat pulldowns, yates rows, rack pulls). I really like all of those exercises I’d hate to see one of them go at this point, but I guess some sacrifices must be made. Maybe start with just dropping the pulldowns at first and then adding like 2 bicep exercises… because at this point my arms day is 6 exercises total (DB curls, machine preacher, pinwheel, in-humans, PJR, pressdowns) and it takes a long time to get through all that.

I really do like the sound of that though… CC, what do you think about this and maybe some help with exercise selection? (not that I’m disregarding your advice… I think after I get back from being out of town for new years I will probably go ahead with this).

We can take this to PM unless you guys wanna read this. Josh, if you have any further thoughts I’d love to hear them and CC, well, whatever you wanna say.

Oh, and I happened to work legs today. :slight_smile: Nothing terribly special but it was solid throughout. Squatting by myself without a spotter has been empowering, psychologically.

Squats

135lbs x 8
225lbs x 8
275lbs x 6
315lbs x 6
385lbs x 5 (solid)

Hack squat

2 pps x 10
3 pps x 21 (+20lbs, +1rep PR)

Romanian deadlifts

225lbs x 8
315lbs x 10
385lbs x 10 (yeah buddy)

Lying leg curls

95lbs x 10
125lbs x 6
155lbs x 11 + 5 + 3 (19RP)

Leg extension

120lbs x 10
250lbs x 32 (different leg ext. machines all feel different)

Good day.

Chesticals

Started doing decline today and the bar was unstable as hell… I’m just not used to it yet so I should progress pretty fast as the movement becomes more natural.

Decline Bench
Barx20
135lbsx10
205lbsx5
225lbsx5 (Bar was going all over the place, had to put it down… haha.)

Incline DB Bench
75lbsx8
85lbsx9

Pec Deck
Worked up to:
295lbs(stack)x10+4+3 (17 RP)
*First time doing rest-pause and I like it. :smiley:

Then I did some seated calf raises and played around with my decline form some more. Oh, and I played some football with my brother on the artificial turf. Fun day.

Workout A

Incline BB bench press
45x20
95x10
135x5
185x2
210x8+4+2=14…didn’t expect to hit 8 on the first set of rest-pause, pleasantly surprised.
Seated DB press
65²x8+3+2=13
Inclined DB triceps extension
55x12
75x6
90x10+6+4=20
Lat pull-down
86x12
136x6
186x6+4+3=13…getting into position was tough…did the lat stretch after the last set…not pleasant.
Deadlift
135x10
185x6
235x4
275x2
300x5…beat previous session by 1 rep
250x8…not sure about the back off set on these, felt I went too heavy last time, so I dropped it by 50lbs. Still feels too heavy as a back off set.C_C or Scott any advice?

Legs, Shoulder and Knee rehab day:

Leg Press:

855x8, 615x20

Really high rep lying leg curls, knee was feeling a lot better today. Might be ready to train hammies again next week.

Then I finished with 65 lb. bb bench for super high reps superset with right shoulder external rotations with a 5 lb. plate. Pretty sure I got lots of blood in there. =P

Did you get a killer PUMP like in your AVATAR! RHAR! NOSPLODE!

Haha sorry i giggled.

Stuntman Mike is a giant puss.

Should be lifting with my friend again tomorrow, really looking forward to that. Maybe try to beat last time’s 315x5 squat just for kicks, see if I can regain a bit of strength on a calorie deficit.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Did you get a killer PUMP like in your AVATAR! RHAR! NOSPLODE!

Haha sorry i giggled.[/quote]

Hell yeah you know it man!

[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Well, started with a new split, today was back day. Went as follows:

Seated rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 130, 130, 140, then a backoff of 15 reps @ 90

Bent Over Cable Rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 80, 80, 90, then a backoff of 17 reps @ 60

Straight Arm Pulldowns, 3x15 @ 40

Chinups, was pretty gassed at this point, only got 2x4 reps

Was a good workout all in all, short and sweet, got a good pump going and will probably be quite sore tommorrow.[/quote]

Hey man how do you do a bent over cable row? Is it with the cable and weight stack attached to the barbell and you perform them as normal barbell rows? or with the D-hook and single arm?

Do you deadlift on leg day?

I am more of a fan of doing a pullover than straight arm pulldowns but everybody has their opinion. I just can’t get enough weight with the straight arm stuff I just stack it and rep it out…So going with the 90-100lbs dbells and perfroming pullovers has helped quite a bit. Also make sure to use your lats doing either of these. It is very easy to activate the shoulders/triceps/ and chest even lol.

right on for getting back into this and firing up a new split, but since it is the BOI I shall be honest. Your chins suck. Def gotta bring them up unless you weigh like 280 or something and then still bring em up…lol jk just bustin balls :stuck_out_tongue:

DG

[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Robert P. wrote:
Well, started with a new split, today was back day. Went as follows:

Seated rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 130, 130, 140, then a backoff of 15 reps @ 90

Bent Over Cable Rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 80, 80, 90, then a backoff of 17 reps @ 60

Straight Arm Pulldowns, 3x15 @ 40

Chinups, was pretty gassed at this point, only got 2x4 reps

Was a good workout all in all, short and sweet, got a good pump going and will probably be quite sore tommorrow.

Hey man how do you do a bent over cable row? Is it with the cable and weight stack attached to the barbell and you perform them as normal barbell rows? or with the D-hook and single arm?

Do you deadlift on leg day?

I am more of a fan of doing a pullover than straight arm pulldowns but everybody has their opinion. I just can’t get enough weight with the straight arm stuff I just stack it and rep it out…So going with the 90-100lbs dbells and perfroming pullovers has helped quite a bit. Also make sure to use your lats doing either of these. It is very easy to activate the shoulders/triceps/ and chest even lol.

right on for getting back into this and firing up a new split, but since it is the BOI I shall be honest. Your chins suck. Def gotta bring them up unless you weigh like 280 or something and then still bring em up…lol jk just bustin balls :stuck_out_tongue:

DG[/quote]

Yeah, I picked that up from one of Pavels newsletters, he actually has useful information most of the time. You do it like a normal barbell row, but because of the cable, the resistance is at a different angle to your body than when doing them with a barbell. When I tried it for the first time, it was like. ooooohh, this is what it feels like when your lats do most of the work.

Deadlifts, correct, on leg day. Two reasons, I get much more sore in my legs than back when doing them, and I can’t squat do to very stubborn flexibility issues. I’ve seen a chiropractor about it, he basically said it was because I grew to quickly and may or may not work itself out, also that stretching may or may not help. Yeah, chiros rule [/sarcasm].

Chins, yup, always been a weak point. I can get maybe 10 when I’m fresh, and I definitely need to work them more, I’m thinking of adding them in on arm or chest day as well, just to get a bit more frequency going.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Bug having 2 arm days a weak will be all about finding the right way to work them into your split so they don’t effect your back/chest workouts.

Maybe try doing Chest/tris, Back/bis with your normal split?

Your split is

M - Legs
T - Chest
W - Back
Th - Arms?
F - Off
Sa - Shoulders?
Su - Off

Maybe try…

M - Legs
T - Chest/tri
W - Back/bi
Th - Shoulders
F - Off
Sa - Arms
Su - Off

Maybe try cutting back volume a bit on the chest/back part of the workouts to allow more time/recovery for the arms part. If I remember correctly you currently do like 4 exercises for chest and 4 for back right? You could probably get away with 2 for each and then add in arm stuff.

Like for Back it would be Rack Chins, Rack Pulls w/ Shrug back, then whatever arm stuff you add?

Josh, I like the sound of that split idea. My chest day is already really low volume (decline, incline DB, and pec deck finisher which barely counts as an exercise… I’m in and out in less than 45 minutes), and on back day, yeah, I’m doing 4 exercises (rack chins, lat pulldowns, yates rows, rack pulls). I really like all of those exercises I’d hate to see one of them go at this point, but I guess some sacrifices must be made. Maybe start with just dropping the pulldowns at first and then adding like 2 bicep exercises… because at this point my arms day is 6 exercises total (DB curls, machine preacher, pinwheel, in-humans, PJR, pressdowns) and it takes a long time to get through all that.

I really do like the sound of that though… CC, what do you think about this and maybe some help with exercise selection? (not that I’m disregarding your advice… I think after I get back from being out of town for new years I will probably go ahead with this).

We can take this to PM unless you guys wanna read this. Josh, if you have any further thoughts I’d love to hear them and CC, well, whatever you wanna say.

[/quote]

Two arm days hmm.
pX focuses on muscle-groups by training them twice a week, but it’s never two muscle-groups at once (he first did it with biceps, then chest [upper day and lower day+tris] and now delts+traps (ok that’s two muscle-groups but he doesn’t deadlift so no real overlap from training traps twice).

Imo it might be a tad much for triceps, depends. Could make your presses in general suffer some, but the split seems sound enough to me.

Reduce bi+tri exercises to two each…
-alt. db curls (are you doing them hola-bola style or classic now, btw?) or whatever (+1 work set of alt. hammers or pinwheels if you choose alt. curls… Takes care of your brachialis and forearms without need for a warm-up)
-preachers/low cable curls… Or some forearm/brachialis stuff.

-CGP/RGB variant
-Pullover/extension variant

there it is.
standard stuff, but it should work as your arms day.

The other days where you train bis/tris together with back and chest…
If you do the same exercises here as you do on your arm day, then it’ll be a bit hard to keep track of progress (you’re lifting less here due to fatigue from the previous exercises)…
Also, you could probably just do 1 exercise each for bis and tris here…
Example:
Chest+tris

-Incline variant
-Flat/decline variant
-Tricep Press variant (if you do board presses or so here, that might work. Otherwise maybe HS dips… IH-CGP’s, possibly (could use a board to eliminate the sticking point off the chest, but it mustn’t be too high… This is not lockout training :wink:

Back+Bis
-backwidth whatever you like… Rack chins?
-backthickness… If you do SLDL’s on leg day, then choose Kroc rows with good straps(important, it’s your only backthickness exercise per week and you gotta make it count!) here and really fight for the reps.

  • rest some and then do some curl variant you didn’t do the other day… Incline Offset curls for example.

There are so many ways to go about this…
You could add 2 exercises for arms on chest and back days as well instead of only one each… You gotta see how that affects your recovery and rate of strength gain… Remember, the guy curling 90+ lb DB’s for 8 reps per arm with acceptable form is going to have bigger arms than the guy training his arms twice a week with lots of exercises and way less weight.
Gotta choose the option/routine/diet which allows you to progress the fastest…

[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Robert P. wrote:
Well, started with a new split, today was back day. Went as follows:

Seated rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 130, 130, 140, then a backoff of 15 reps @ 90

Bent Over Cable Rows, worksets were 3x5 @ 80, 80, 90, then a backoff of 17 reps @ 60

Straight Arm Pulldowns, 3x15 @ 40

Chinups, was pretty gassed at this point, only got 2x4 reps

Was a good workout all in all, short and sweet, got a good pump going and will probably be quite sore tommorrow.

Hey man how do you do a bent over cable row? Is it with the cable and weight stack attached to the barbell and you perform them as normal barbell rows? or with the D-hook and single arm?

Do you deadlift on leg day?

I am more of a fan of doing a pullover than straight arm pulldowns but everybody has their opinion. I just can’t get enough weight with the straight arm stuff I just stack it and rep it out…So going with the 90-100lbs dbells and perfroming pullovers has helped quite a bit.

Also make sure to use your lats doing either of these. It is very easy to activate the shoulders/triceps/ and chest even lol.

right on for getting back into this and firing up a new split, but since it is the BOI I shall be honest. Your chins suck. Def gotta bring them up unless you weigh like 280 or something and then still bring em up…lol jk just bustin balls :stuck_out_tongue:

DG

Yeah, I picked that up from one of Pavels newsletters, he actually has useful information most of the time. You do it like a normal barbell row, but because of the cable, the resistance is at a different angle to your body than when doing them with a barbell. When I tried it for the first time, it was like. ooooohh, this is what it feels like when your lats do most of the work.

Deadlifts, correct, on leg day. Two reasons, I get much more sore in my legs than back when doing them, and I can’t squat do to very stubborn flexibility issues.

I’ve seen a chiropractor about it, he basically said it was because I grew to quickly and may or may not work itself out, also that stretching may or may not help. Yeah, chiros rule [/sarcasm].

Chins, yup, always been a weak point. I can get maybe 10 when I’m fresh, and I definitely need to work them more, I’m thinking of adding them in on arm or chest day as well, just to get a bit more frequency going.[/quote]

right on man that sounds like a decent rowing movement as I think the angle and constant tension from the pulley can do some good damage. I, personally,

Am one who likes to use as much free weights as possible and I’d opt for Barbell Rows, just because I believe free weights build more overall mass than cables, but if you can feel it in your back more then by no means stop doing it. If it aint broke don’t fix it. lol

Glad you deadlift :slight_smile: but I think F*ck the chiro and just Squat. Everybody has trouble getting form down and stuff and it takes a while until your body gets used to it. I used to think the same thing, but trust me as you just keep doing it your body will eventually adapt to it and perform the movement with ease. Unless you were born with extra bones and muscles there is no reason for you not to be able to perform a squat.

By ‘chins’ you do mean palms facing your correct? This is more of a biceps dominant movement and adding them on arm day might not be a bad idea. Do you do regular pull ups as well? Do you know if you are an arm dominant person when doing either those chins or pull ups? Both things to consider because if your biceps have failed then your chins fail, etc.

overall looking pretty good dood. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

DG

[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:

way too much to quote everything again :smiley:

[/quote]

I make sure to do as many free weight movements as possible, but I have a really hard time “feeling” my back on many of them, and I’m hoping using the exercises that really make me feel it will improve that mind muscle connection.

Also, like I said, my chins are pathetic, my pullups are even worse, but I definitely feel my bis less. I’m probably going to start off my arm days with chins and switch the chins on back day for pullups, and see how that works out.

As for the squatting issue, I’m trying, but I really have a pretty special situation. The chiro didn’t tell me I wasn’t allowed to squat, but I really am not physically able to do it. I can squat down, but my heels lift of the floor and my back rounds way before I get anywhere close to parallel.

I don’t know anybody with a similar issue, I guess my only choice is to keep working on it and meanwhile, do other exercises for my legs. It really pisses me off, too, as the squat would be a great overall mass builder as well.

Thanks a lot guys, and CC for taking the time to write up that post. I know you must feel you do this for everyone…

I’ll give this a test run this week. If my tris are feeling up to par I will go ahead and add a tri exercise today (prob the IH-CGBP… or if I’m feeling too beat up, I’ll see what other tri equipment is available).

As far as back day is concerned, I’ll definitely work on getting that rack chin number blowing up… for thickness, you really think kroc rows? Our DB’s only go up to 150lbs and I’m already using that one for 30ish reps. I really like yates rows… lol. And rack pulls.

The rest sounds good. I’ll play with it over the next couple weeks and see how it goes. When I’m eating normally I have rarely had problems with recovery and since I am dieting I am getting a bit more sore but nothing major (besides legs, dear god).