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[quote]josh86 wrote:
C_C

I tried the Smith low-incline yesterday and stayed away from failure, but wanted to get a feel for them. They kind of hurt my forearm bone a bit, I’m thinking maybe I just didn’t have the bench setup in the right position so maybe my forearm was angled a bit. I did feel like I was pushing up and away from me, instead of just up.

Thinking that’s probably what caused the forearm pain, I’ll try to adjust the bench position next week before I really give them an all out go.[/quote]

Hurt your forearm bone? You’re not talking about your wrist, are you?

Is the smith angled (if so, then it’s useless…) ?

If that stuff doesn’t work, then we’ll just find another exercise.

Are the benches fixed on rails or are they regular benches you can position wherever you want?

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Didn’t hurt my wrist, hurt the bone in my forearm…similar to the pain I would get if arm wrestling someone of equal strength. Does that help explain it at all? lol

Smith is strait up and down.

Benches are moveable to wherever I want.

I was probably positioned back just slightly too much and caused me to be pushing up and away? If not then yeah I’ll have to pick something else…not sure what though.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Didn’t hurt my wrist, hurt the bone in my forearm…similar to the pain I would get if arm wrestling someone of equal strength. Does that help explain it at all? lol

Smith is strait up and down.

Benches are moveable to wherever I want.

I was probably positioned back just slightly too much and caused me to be pushing up and away? If not then yeah I’ll have to pick something else…not sure what though. [/quote]

Yeah, guess it was too far back…

Weird stuff anyway.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Didn’t hurt my wrist, hurt the bone in my forearm…similar to the pain I would get if arm wrestling someone of equal strength. Does that help explain it at all? lol

Smith is strait up and down.

Benches are moveable to wherever I want.

I was probably positioned back just slightly too much and caused me to be pushing up and away? If not then yeah I’ll have to pick something else…not sure what though.

Yeah, guess it was too far back…

Weird stuff anyway.[/quote]

Yeah I don’t know seemed weird, because the bar was coming up pretty high on me…very upper chest area. Where does the bar typically come down to on these? Above the neck or above the very upper chest? I suppose it could have even been me pushing away instead of just up because I’m not used to them. We’ll see what happens next week.

I’m really debating whether or not to put in BB bench…I kind of want to do it just to see where I can get it up to with my new size/strength. But at the same time its not really a good movement for me as far as actually stimulating chest growth, which is the real goal.

But I do need another chest pressing movement and I can’t do DB bench bc my gym only goes to 100s. I was thinking of just putting HS incline back in but working with the full ROM instead of only the bottom 1/2-2/3 ROM.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Didn’t hurt my wrist, hurt the bone in my forearm…similar to the pain I would get if arm wrestling someone of equal strength. Does that help explain it at all? lol

Smith is strait up and down.

Benches are moveable to wherever I want.

I was probably positioned back just slightly too much and caused me to be pushing up and away? If not then yeah I’ll have to pick something else…not sure what though.

Yeah, guess it was too far back…

Weird stuff anyway.

Yeah I don’t know seemed weird, because the bar was coming up pretty high on me…very upper chest area. Where does the bar typically come down to on these? Above the neck or above the very upper chest? I suppose it could have even been me pushing away instead of just up because I’m not used to them. We’ll see what happens next week.

I’m really debating whether or not to put in BB bench…I kind of want to do it just to see where I can get it up to with my new size/strength. But at the same time its not really a good movement for me as far as actually stimulating chest growth, which is the real goal.

But I do need another chest pressing movement and I can’t do DB bench bc my gym only goes to 100s. I was thinking of just putting HS incline back in but working with the full ROM instead of only the bottom 1/2-2/3 ROM.[/quote]

Try to get the smith inclines right first… The bb bench will go up further without being trained… Hmmm. New gym :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Isn’t there another incline machine around?

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josh: was the pain coming from the thumb side (radius) or pinky side (ulna) ?
If it is pinky side; ever experiencing the same when doing BB curls (not EZ, normal bar) ?
That could explain a lot, I believe…

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
dre wrote:
On a completely unrelated note, we are getting lots of snow already, which renders my vibrams pretty useless. I had to wear shoes to the gym yesterday. I suppose I could just change into my vibrams when I get to the gym but I’m still sad.

I go strait to the gym from work everyday so I have to change into my vibrams once I’m at the gym all the time. Definitely do that. I can’t even think about lifting in any other shoes anymore. Its vibrams or socks for me…lol[/quote]

I just hate having to put shoes back on after wearing my vibrams. I feel like I’m wearing block of concrete on my feet! haha

Ok, I’ve got another story for you fine gents. Two of my co-workers were at the gym yesterday, both are pretty darn skinny, you wouldn’t think they lift if you looked at them. So, i’m doing some cable crossovers and they are doing dumbbell bench on the benches in front of me.

In the middle of my set I notice some guy who was lifting next to them is talking to them, he lays down on their bench and shows them something. I have my headphones on so I can’t hear what he’s saying. I pause my Ipod and walk over there hoping to hear what he’s saying to them. I get there too late though. Dang.

Later on I ask them what that was all about. My buddy says that he was doing dumbbell presses and when he “dropped” the dumbbells the guy was standing really close to him and says “Could you please not drop the dumbbells so close to my feet” To which I say to my buddy, “f*ck him, he shouldn’t be standing that close to you while you are in the middle of a set.”

My friend then proceeds to tell me that he came over a couple of minutes later and unloaded this gem on them. He says “How long have you guys been working out?” He then proceeds to tell them that they need to have their feet out as far as they can and need to be on their tip toes for proper form.

Whiskey.Tango.Foxtrot? I wish I would have been there to hear all of this shit. He broke some cardinal rules of the weight room. 1) You don’t give unsolicited advice to someone, especially if you are going to question their training history. 2) You don’t stand close enough to someone while they are doing an exercise to where they could possibly drop dumbbells on your feet.

I hate people.

disclaimer: you can give unsolicited advice to someone in the gym but only if they are about to really fuck themselves up.

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Oh I plan to include the Smith inclines. But I need another chest pressing movement as well…I’ll take a walk around the gym today and see what else there is…but I don’t think there is much else lol. My gym is rather small…

I might get a 2nd membership and sign up with LA fitness as there is one close to my house that I know for a fact has several more HS machines, and DBs up to 130 lbs and has the HS shoulder press machine that I really really want.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).
[/quote]

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

Josh is this a good example of yates rows?

I’ve thought about doing them before, but never got around to trying.

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[quote]Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

[/quote]

I figured as much, and therein lies your problem (sort of).

Try getting those lat spreads to work anyway. Pm me the pics, I’ll give you tips until you get it right (hopefully) and then tell you what the issue is with you not feeling your lats on back-work…

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[quote]pinkponyz wrote:
josh: was the pain coming from the thumb side (radius) or pinky side (ulna) ?
If it is pinky side; ever experiencing the same when doing BB curls (not EZ, normal bar) ?
That could explain a lot, I believe…[/quote]

Believe it was pinky side if I remember correctly. And I USED to get that pain when BB curling but not recently.

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[quote]Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

Josh is this a good example of yates rows?

I’ve thought about doing them before, but never got around to trying.[/quote]

I can’t check youtube vids while at work but basically you need to be at about a 70 degree angle. Pull the bar down into your pelvic area, not up to your stomach. If you pull up you will basically just be shrugging the weight, you need to focus on keeping the shoulder blades down and retract them while keeping them down and pulling the bar into your pelvic area. Try to squeeze and even hold at the top for a second if you can, then control the eccentric as you lower the bar.

I feel them in my entire back, including the rear delts, traps, etc…and you can use a heavier load than with a typical BB row because you are much more upright. I’ll be hitting my heavy 6-8rep set with 405 very soon. Last week was 355 for 9.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

Josh is this a good example of yates rows?

I’ve thought about doing them before, but never got around to trying.

I can’t check youtube vids while at work but basically you need to be at about a 70 degree angle. Pull the bar down into your pelvic area, not up to your stomach. If you pull up you will basically just be shrugging the weight, you need to focus on keeping the shoulder blades down and retract them while keeping them down and pulling the bar into your pelvic area. Try to squeeze and even hold at the top for a second if you can, then control the eccentric as you lower the bar.

I feel them in my entire back, including the rear delts, traps, etc…and you can use a heavier load than with a typical BB row because you are much more upright. I’ll be hitting my heavy 6-8rep set with 405 very soon. Last week was 355 for 9.[/quote]

Thanks, I’ll try them out on my next back day. You’re going for 405? Wow… That was a video of bskola, and he was only using 315 for 6. :stuck_out_tongue:

C_C, I don’t have a camera with me, but I’ll continue practicing… I can always get my brother to teach me. :P(Goddammit, why is he always good at this stuff?)

I was also just doing some “practice” pullups and I was able to focus on my lats a bit more, so I’ll keep trying.

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Well I haven’t seen the video to see how that persons form is or anything…is that a very large person? I don’t watch a lot of youtube videos or any videos for that matter…too damn busy all the time.

I don’t really do the pause at the top though, I found it made it a bitch to progress weight. I try to really squeeze hard at the top but I don’t worry about actually pausing the weight. I may be doing them slightly wrong myself even, but I don’t care because how I’m doing it has been hitting my back hard.

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Vegg - I forgot to mention that I do them overhand, not underhand as well. I dont like the feel of underhand rowing and I don’t want to risk the posibility of a bicep tear.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

I figured as much, and therein lies your problem (sort of).

Try getting those lat spreads to work anyway. Pm me the pics, I’ll give you tips until you get it right (hopefully) and then tell you what the issue is with you not feeling your lats on back-work…[/quote]

Lat spreads are the hardest pose to master by far…it is the only pose where you aren’t flexing the muscle. More like relaxing and moving it. I still struggle with that pose. lol

I know for me it was hard to figure out in the beginning because I didn’t have any lats. lol The bigger your back gets the easier the pose.

One thing that helped me was to practice flaring the lats like in a standing relaxed pose and then position your hands above the hips just to get the feeling.

You will eventually get to a point where you can pop them out at will. Once you get even further where you are doing it without mirrors then it gets even trickier. lol

DG

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

I figured as much, and therein lies your problem (sort of).

Try getting those lat spreads to work anyway. Pm me the pics, I’ll give you tips until you get it right (hopefully) and then tell you what the issue is with you not feeling your lats on back-work…

Lat spreads are the hardest pose to master by far…it is the only pose where you aren’t flexing the muscle. More like relaxing and moving it. I still struggle with that pose. lol
[/quote] You can do it that way, but I actually do contract the muscle when doing a lat spread :slight_smile: If only you guys understood German then I wouldn’t have such a hard time trying to describe how to do it :confused: [quote]
I know for me it was hard to figure out in the beginning because I didn’t have any lats. lol The bigger your back gets the easier the pose.
[/quote] Haha yeah, and a lat spread is so totally unnatural … :wink: [quote]
One thing that helped me was to practice flaring the lats like in a standing relaxed pose and then position your hands above the hips just to get the feeling.

You will eventually get to a point where you can pop them out at will. Once you get even further where you are doing it without mirrors then it gets even trickier. lol

DG[/quote]

Agree :wink:

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

Josh is this a good example of yates rows?

I’ve thought about doing them before, but never got around to trying.

I can’t check youtube vids while at work but basically you need to be at about a 70 degree angle. Pull the bar down into your pelvic area, not up to your stomach. If you pull up you will basically just be shrugging the weight, you need to focus on keeping the shoulder blades down and retract them while keeping them down and pulling the bar into your pelvic area. Try to squeeze and even hold at the top for a second if you can, then control the eccentric as you lower the bar.

I feel them in my entire back, including the rear delts, traps, etc…and you can use a heavier load than with a typical BB row because you are much more upright. I’ll be hitting my heavy 6-8rep set with 405 very soon. Last week was 355 for 9.[/quote]

I think I’ll give those Yates rows a try this week.

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Hey DG good to see you stopping by the BOI. Definitely stick around, we could use more dedicated and experienced guys in here always.

Btw, lovin the new avatar pic. Looking great, legs look like they have improved a lot since your last show. As well as just having overall more size. Where/when is the show? If you recall I am very close to you, just over here in Orange.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Vegg wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Give me a pic of you doing a front and a back lat spread, I have an idea (pm if you want).

That’s the thing though- I have no idea how to do a lat spread…

I figured as much, and therein lies your problem (sort of).

Try getting those lat spreads to work anyway. Pm me the pics, I’ll give you tips until you get it right (hopefully) and then tell you what the issue is with you not feeling your lats on back-work…

Lat spreads are the hardest pose to master by far…it is the only pose where you aren’t flexing the muscle. More like relaxing and moving it. I still struggle with that pose. lol
You can do it that way, but I actually do contract the muscle when doing a lat spread :slight_smile: If only you guys understood German then I wouldn’t have such a hard time trying to describe how to do it :confused:
I know for me it was hard to figure out in the beginning because I didn’t have any lats. lol The bigger your back gets the easier the pose.
Haha yeah, and a lat spread is so totally unnatural … :wink:
One thing that helped me was to practice flaring the lats like in a standing relaxed pose and then position your hands above the hips just to get the feeling.

You will eventually get to a point where you can pop them out at will. Once you get even further where you are doing it without mirrors then it gets even trickier. lol

DG

Agree ;)[/quote]

einz, vai, tri, fear, fumpf, sechs, seben, acht, nein, zane??? lol spelling is probably all screwed up but your not getting much more than that. LOL

My family came from Prussia around WWII.

DG