Brother Stealing From My Family

I’d say there are a few things you should do:

-Tell your parents the reality of this situation so they start taking it seriously. Without your parents helping you with this you’ll get nowhere. They need to realize that your brother is a drug addict stealing to support his habit, their child isn’t just having a rough time in his life.

-Get him drug treatment or get him arrested.

-If your parents want to be naive and delusional then let them, don’t waste your time on this situation if they’re not going to support your efforts to help him. He’ll just steal from you and make your life miserable if you let him.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
1st - You need to stop posting these types of questions on a public message board. This is similar to shouting your issues in the middle of a crowded street and hoping someone gives you the right answer. Half of these tools posting in this thread have issues of their own and dont qualify when it comes to giving sound advice to others. I certainly dont qualify to give advice but since you already broke rule #1 im going to jump on the bandwagon and hope you listen. [/quote]

You know, I thought the Political forum was filled with hypocrites…but this one post may beat them all.[/quote]

Seeing as most of us “tools” have seen or experienced this in one shape, form or another I wonder where else it would be better to go to get advice, especially given that he has given the exact same advice most of us have given.

Are you renting? If you are, move, don’t tell your parents or brother. Let your parents know your cell phone number and email, all contact otherwise has to stop.

Your brother needs to be out of your life. You don’t need him breaking into your house and stealing your shit, because it seems like it might head that way.

Your parents need to realize you won’t tolerate that kind of behavior. Don’t involve yourself in this, not at this point in your life. It’s not worth it.

Does he steal from other people too, or just his family? If he’s not stealing from anyone else, the problem likely goes much deeper than just stealing.

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
1st - You need to stop posting these types of questions on a public message board. This is similar to shouting your issues in the middle of a crowded street and hoping someone gives you the right answer. Half of these tools posting in this thread have issues of their own and dont qualify when it comes to giving sound advice to others. I certainly dont qualify to give advice but since you already broke rule #1 im going to jump on the bandwagon and hope you listen.

If you are really having these types of issues with your brother then you can do one of two things.

a) Get both parents together and talk about this. Brainstorm before you speak to them both, be prepared. If they are in denial you are going to have to break through to them. You may also seek help from a family counselor.

b) Cut off contact with your brother. sure you will see him at your parents but keep it short and sweet. Keep your car locked, wallet in pocket, anything of value stays on your person. It sounds like you arent afraid of confronting him since you already beat him down once. Avoid doing this again if you can, no point in it now. What you need to do is confront him verbally. Let him know what you think about this and the problem you have it with. Let him know that you are not going to be a part of it anymore. He will probably roll his eyes but it doesnt matter. You gave him the talk and set the boundaries.

On a side note, your dad is right about one thing. Your brother has already fooled you once. You know what he is capable of. If he fools you again, well you know the saying. Keep your sh1T locked up tight. Dont leave the safety of your items in the hands of your brothers morality. YOU be responsible for your own stuff.

Good Luck.[/quote]

The difference between posting this here and shouting his issues out in a public place is that on these forums if you dont like it, you dont have to read it. So suck it up or go elsewhere

[quote]Squiggles wrote:
My sister is a liar and thief. I tried to help her. She got her trap sorted for a few years, then has relapsed farther than she ever has and has taken her lying to a whole new level.

I’ve severed all contact and association with her. Best thing I ever did.[/quote]

Mine too. Crack addict. Whore. Pretty sure she’s a clinical sociopath. Four kids by four different guys. Haven’t spoken to her in years – best decision I ever made.

To the OP – hard, early intervention is what is required. Nothing else seems to work. You have to show actions have consequences. These fuckers are incredibly manipulative. They’ll take, take, take and lie, lie, lie. Your parents need to get their heads out of their asses and deal with it. There’s only a narrow window of time. Denial and enabling are not good.

This is the story of my family and I can assure the OP that it only gets worse. Your brother is the way he is because your parents are the way they are.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
This is the story of my family and I can assure the OP that it only gets worse. Your brother is the way he is because your parents are the way they are. [/quote]

Behavior and Genetics of said parents IMO. I constantly hear Dr. Drew (Pinsky) saying that addicts are just born with different brain chemistry.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]belligerent wrote:
This is the story of my family and I can assure the OP that it only gets worse. Your brother is the way he is because your parents are the way they are. [/quote]

Behavior and Genetics of said parents IMO. I constantly hear Dr. Drew (Pinsky) saying that addicts are just born with different brain chemistry.[/quote]

Yeah, a little bit of each, huh?

I come from a long line of dead drunks/addicts on both sides. I learned a lot about how to deal with life or for that matter not, from them.

I’d also have to say that the first time I picked up was a profoundly different experience than some other people describe who would be considered normal wrt alcohol or drugs.

There is something to both explanations.

Thank you all for the responses.

I’m not trying to get defensive about my parents, but they are good honest people and I truly believe their intentions are good and they have both our best interests at heart. They want him to change but don’t want to do something that will affect him down the road like getting him arrested.

Addiction definitely runs in my family. Dad is a functioning alcoholic, mom is a chronic pain patient and seems to be satisfied with it. She had back surgery, there were complications, staph infection etc. and she’s been on the meds ever since. She claims she’s not eligible for another surgery to fix it but idk. I also had a bout with opiate addiction but I grew out of that phase and have been 100% clean for 2+ years, I rarely even drink.

I think my parents are hoping he’ll grow out of it too, but his behavior is only escalating and he does’t have that “limit” like I did. His low just keeps getting lower.

We’ve tried the family intervention, he’s seen a psychiatrist, did a pseudo rehab program (not in patient), and spent the last 2 years of high school in an “alternative” school. I think the only course of action for me is to cut ties with him. My parents have never done wrong by me so I think it would be unfair to cut them out too.

Look into co-dependency and how to move on.

No one gets through that shit in the most important years of their development unscathed.

[quote]overstand wrote:
My parents have never done wrong by me so I think it would be unfair to cut them out too. [/quote]

Except you should cut ties. They need to know FOR THEIR OWN GOOD, that allowing their son to act this way will isolate them from everyone else. It may spur them into doing something.

[quote]overstand wrote:
They want him to change but don’t want to do something that will affect him down the road like getting him arrested. [/quote]

I think your parents need to realize that what they’re doing right now is affecting him down the road. Allowing him to steal and be a substance abuser isn’t helping him and will be far worse for him than a stint in the county jail.

Most parents are just as baffled by this stuff as anybody else. The general school of thought on this is to help yourself and learn why you are involved or supporting a relationships like this. Figure out what part you play in it and change to prevent it from causing you further grief and loss.

That way when help is required by the person with a problem, you are available and able to help in ways that don’t cost you emotionally or financially. That doesn’t mean isolate from the family or get the kid thrown in jail as an absolute solution. It requires a much more in depth and long term address of the core issues that have brought the situation about.

I would beat the shit out of him, then when the cops come say you were sleeping and he snuck in your room and stole things. It was dark, you thought it was a robber, and it was.

I wouldn’t drop all contact yet. He’s 18, dude, he’s not some 40 year old that should have his life figured out. He’s fucked up but still impressionable, and that can work in your favor.

Yes, HE needs to realize that he needs to change, but he hasn’t because he is likely impulsive and has no sense of consequence - your parents have been appeasing him all along.

His friends, coworkers, or whoever he looks up to (that is KEY) should know about his behavior, and he should know that they know.

He is doing all this shit because he has nothing he’s proud of, so there’s no risk of loss of either reputation or whatever people could praise him for. If he does have something he is proud of, find out what it is, and figure out how you can show him that his behavior either devalues his accomplishments or discredits whatever it is people might praise him for.

Don’t drop contact. Tell him contact with family and family friends is conditional. He can do what he wants but, until he cleans up his act, he can’t associate with the same people that have raised him and loved him all along. Don’t scold him, just tell him that he has to figure shit out.

You have to realize that the moment you put someone like this on the defensive, all communication breaks down, all messages are lost in “static.” However you talk to him, don’t put him on the defensive. Don’t talk down to him.

I’m sure my post will appear three days from now (as usual), but I’ll reiterate.

Cut ties with him BUT tell him he can come back in your life on certain conditions.

A key element of a successful plan like this is to make sure your parents don’t go “soft” on him; you have to all be on the same page.

And I agree that he isn’t just stealing for fun. Sorry, man. I’ve been there.

[quote]overstand wrote:
Thank you all for the responses.

I’m not trying to get defensive about my parents, but they are good honest people and I truly believe their intentions are good and they have both our best interests at heart. They want him to change but don’t want to do something that will affect him down the road like getting him arrested.

Addiction definitely runs in my family. Dad is a functioning alcoholic, mom is a chronic pain patient and seems to be satisfied with it. She had back surgery, there were complications, staph infection etc. and she’s been on the meds ever since. She claims she’s not eligible for another surgery to fix it but idk. I also had a bout with opiate addiction but I grew out of that phase and have been 100% clean for 2+ years, I rarely even drink.

I think my parents are hoping he’ll grow out of it too, but his behavior is only escalating and he does’t have that “limit” like I did. His low just keeps getting lower.

We’ve tried the family intervention, he’s seen a psychiatrist, did a pseudo rehab program (not in patient), and spent the last 2 years of high school in an “alternative” school. I think the only course of action for me is to cut ties with him. My parents have never done wrong by me so I think it would be unfair to cut them out too. [/quote]

You’ve got a pretty clear picture of the situation with your parents. I do not think you need to cut THEM out of your life. They are clearly enablers (well intentioned though they are). The price tag for helping him hasn’t gotten too high for them yet… or they haven’t gotten clear on the idea that they could love him to death.

I think you’ve gotten some good advice here. Keep us posted ok?
Real sad situation.

Having been thru this with my older brother, I can only reiterate what a lot of these guys are saying. Work on living your life without your brother in it. As for your parents, you only have to tell them your stance once. It’s on them to shit or get off the pot.

[quote]overstand wrote:
Not sure where to start with this, but it’s the kind of thing I don’t really know how to bring up with friends and probably wouldn’t feel comfortable with it anyway.

Over the past few years, my brother has been stealing from my family, mostly money, but also my mom’s pain medication. She’s using fentanyl patches, very powerful stuff. He stole a whole bunch of them and ended up skipping school for nearly a month just getting fucked up all day. He also stole her checkbook and wrote nearly $2k worth of checks before he got caught. She opted not to press charges, but sent him to live with my dad, where he’s stolen hundreds out of his wallet.

Just recently, he stole a $500 Amex Gift Card I had from signing a new lease with my apartment. Aside from the major incidents, I’d notice the change on my desk missing. I had a book thing with all the state quarters in it that he stole and presumably spent. He broke into my mom’s safe and took some savings bonds and cashed them. I could seriously go on and on and on, but you get the point. Kid’s a fucking klepto.

I don’t know what to do. I called my dad about the gift card and he got pissed at me, telling me that it was my fault, that I know how he is and I should have locked it up, etc. etc. He told me I can’t accuse him unless I have proof. Short of fingerprints and fucking dna evidence, he was the only person who could have done it.

Now I’m willing to accept some negligence, but the way I see it all they are teaching him is that it’s okay to steal, and that the best people to steal from are your own fucking family because ultimately nothing is going to happen to you.

I honestly think they just don’t know what to do, I was hoping some parents here might have some suggestions. And if anybody else has a troubled sibling, how did you deal with it?

For the record, he’s 18, not in school, no job, smokes pot all day, I’m 22 in college.

And yes I’ve tried hitting him. I beat the shit out of him once for stealing money from my wallet and I almost ended up getting arrested for assault. He’s the kind of kid that has no problem stealing from me and then turning around and calling the cops when I retaliate. [/quote]

Everyone on here is correct. I think that one thing that needs to be considered is that many drug addicts do not make it back alive. Your brother has got to want to change. Do you have any idea what caused this downward spiral? Helping him address the cause or recognize it could be beneficial. Until he wants help you need to separate from him. If he has truly given up and doesn’t care then all hope is lost. Hopefully he has a rock bottom and it isn’t death. That is the moment that you need to be there for him.

My brother went down the same sort of path but it started in middle school and we had lost our mother when he was 10 yrs old. He never was able to deal with that loss. He began drinking and smoking pot and ended up on oxy-Cotton. He stole from our family, and my dad came close to having him thrown in jail. I actually talked him out of it. My brother wanted help and has no support network to get it, if cut off from our limited family. He wanted to get sober and clean and enrolled in the Navy. Thankfully he was able to get a god start on sobriety and made it in to the Navy nuke program. He has recently graduated from his schooling and has remained sober and been building his pride.

Getting him some humility, as someone suggested, and a desire and outlet to better himself in anyway are important.

I wish your family and brother peace and hope that it comes with his sobriety.