Brooks Kubik - Bodyweight Training Manual

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

I mean, Pavel almost tricked me into buying a couple of his books, being as I am so damn fond of pushups. But the one armed pushup? Man, I learned that from Rocky II. And Rocky certainly didn’t use any Russian secret training tricks of inhaling and tightening the sphinctor while doing a back bridge immediately following :wink:

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Oh man you are killing me…LMAO :slight_smile:

When I see this sort of buffoonery I think that they are specifically targeting 12 year old kids, desperate teens, or very very slow adults.

One of my friends gets emails from Furey and one of them read something like this:

"Hey, I just made a huge mistake on my web site. I reduced the price on all of my items!

Before I change it you better get over there and see it for yourself-here’s my web site: “retardedpeople4furey.co”

Okay that was not it word for word. But the idea was the same. I mean that sort of marketing is no better than calling everyone “comrade” 4000 times.

I don’t know I guess there has always been an air of trickery in this game. One more reason to love T-Nation.

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I am so sick of the Furey-esque marketing style. He puts a bad name on bodyweight training because of it.

I hate to flog a decomposing equine, but I think it is quite possible to get strong and fairly large by bodyweight only training: gymnasts (again, who don’t intend to get big, but can get pretty big as a side effect). And pertaining specifically to how far you can take your physique with pushups (compared to traditional pushing weight movements), there are so many progressively more difficult variations. The most difficult one I can think of, and I have no idea if any one in the world could actually do it (though I’d put money on some freakish foreigner in the Cirque du Soleil), would be a one arm planche pushup. In the end, it’s not so much whether you lift weights, kettle bells or your own weight, it’s how you structure the program using one or all of those tools that is going to get you results, including strength and hypertrophy.

Sorry for the babbling. The reason I posted was to point the original poster in the direction of bodyweight books that are chock full of information and cheap. Check out Ross Enamait (I think all his books are around thirty bucks. His bodyweight manual is pretty good, geared a bit more towards an athlete, like a boxer, rather then someone looking for hypertrophy only) and Bryce Lane (he has a few mini pamphlet things out. I don’t have any of them yet, but I like the way he thinks. There’s a video floating around somewhere of him doing some really crazy standing one arm rope pulling thing that looks really cool. The pamphlets are $12).

Take it easy,
Toby

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[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Alright then, why would you consider them con men? Last time I checked puffery is perfectly legal and one could argue necessary these days to make a good living in this industry.

ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

That is ridiculous and sounds alot like Pavel, Furey, or any of the other con- men that love bodyweight stuff.

Con men?

Oh man you are going to have Chris Aus and the other Pavelites over here jumping all over you.

Don’t worry pal I’m here it’ll be you and me back to back…lol

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Yes they are allowed to do what they will with the given information.

But its kinda like the guy who says, "Hey, i have a new diet for everyone. Its called the duct tape diet, where everyone puts a piece of duct tape across their mouth and people miraculously stop eating!

The stuff is kind of out there in the open. If I, the man who loves pushups, did not find it, then it is not out there. God help those who cannot find this stuff on their own. they arent looking hard enough

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
"Hey, i have a new diet for everyone. Its called the duct tape diet, where everyone puts a piece of duct tape across their mouth and people miraculously stop eating!
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Doode! Where can I buy your book?

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I have Matt Furey’s book. After years and years of performing any and all various forms of squats, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced such intense, DEEP muscle pain as that which is elicited from hindu squats…plus they get your heart pounding. I love them, and I still incorporate them into my training when there is an opportunity, particularly in a hotel room when I’m traveling. At one point, I was up to 45 min. straight. Hindus will bring the biggest, baddest mofo to their knees…no pun intended.

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[quote]tobywan wrote:
I hate to flog a decomposing equine, but…[/quote]

Best line of the thread.

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[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:

He is definitely in phenomenal shape especially for being 48. However, he’s spent years and years lifting with heavy weights and odd implements as well. I doubt he’s focused on bodyweight only workouts for years and years.[/quote]

That is exactly the point. He didn’t get there with bodyweight only exercises. However for a royal price we are somehow expected to get there.

I really respected Brooks for Dinosaur Training. Now he is just another huckster. Maybe he will charge extra for autographed copies.

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[quote]gottatrain wrote:
I have Matt Furey’s book. After years and years of performing any and all various forms of squats, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced such intense, DEEP muscle pain as that which is elicited from hindu squats…plus they get your heart pounding. I love them, and I still incorporate them into my training when there is an opportunity, particularly in a hotel room when I’m traveling. At one point, I was up to 45 min. straight. Hindus will bring the biggest, baddest mofo to their knees…no pun intended. [/quote]

Don’t take anything I said the wrong way. I never said you can’t have a great workout using bodyweight exercises. You can build good levels of strength, hypertrophy and conditioning with bodyweight only workouts. Many athletes have done this. Sure, some may have been genetically gifted, but I think that when it comes down to it, the body doesn’t care what type of resistance you use. All it knows is that it must adapt to the demands placed upon it whether it’s bodyweight exercises, barbells, dumbbells, strongman lifts, manual labor, etc.

However, I think it takes a lot more training and a lot more time/effort with bodyweight only workouts than combining bodyweight training with weights. Look at gymnasts, Cirque de Soleil and other similar athletes. They train for hours each day for many, many years to attain their bodies and strength. Not everyone will attain similar results, and not everyone has the time to put forth to such training. But if you use weights and bodyweight exercises, you can get results much quicker.

I’ve done some brutal bodyweight workouts. They felt more “intense” than many weight workouts, but I have always gained more strength and size using weights and not feeling completely trashed every workout.

There is an appeal to being able to attain “incredible levels of strength and muscularity” using bodyweight exercises. It’s cheap and readily available (no equipment necessary), and it can be done anywhere. And sure, a part of me wishes I could attain a strong, muscular, healthy, fit physique using only bodyweight exercises.

But I just don’t think it’s as efficient as using other methods. Do I wish I could? Sure. I’d love to not need any training equipment or a gym. But do I have the amount of time necessary to make it happen? Probably not. Weights are more efficient. Incorporating weights with bodyweight exercises and other stuff seems the most efficient way to do it.

And how “new” and “revolutionary” can these bodyweight exercises be from all the stuff we already know or can find from other sources?

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Gotta defend Pavel’s PTP workout. Feel free to mock it (and me) but it has worked amazingly well–moreso than any of the programs I’ve used from this site. When I started doing it guys were making fun of me for deadlifting every day and doing 1-armed side presses with a barbell.

Three months and massive gains later, guys were asking me who came up with my routine and (after telling them it came from a book) I have since lent it out several times. It works. Even for guys that have lifted for a while. And while the book emphasizes 2 lifts there are many other tips in there that are extremely beneficial.

Oh well, keep bitching comrades ; )

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Don’t forget just because Pavle only shows you 2 moves in the books, that really isnt what he’s showing you. Its the principles, low reps, stay fresh, high fresquency, moves that use the whole body, cycle you loads. Its the same with NW, 2 move but the principles apply to all moves. Those who give GTG a try will reap great gains in strength. Marketing aside, his stuff does hold water. Go ahead and flame me.

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Pavel has some good ideas, and I understand that. But its the pricing that pisses me off, along with the ridiculous hype that surrounds these mysterious “pushups” and “deadlifts”.

I’m not going to flame anyone for saying that Pavel’s workouts work for you or that you enjoy them- thats cool. But I would still be mighty pissed off if I had spent $40…or as Nate Dogg says 200(!) on a book about pushups.

Go to Furey’s site and get his newsletters through email. The crap he says is ridiculous. Once again, I love bodyweight shit. But not at that price.

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[quote]BJBliffert wrote:
Those who give GTG a try will reap great gains in strength. [/quote]

I agree 100%. Been doing gtg for pull-ups (well…modified version–would like to do throughout the day but no bar so do sets throughout my regular workout at the gym)
Up to 7 reps at a time–think I can do 12 or 13 if I max out but won’t try that for a while.

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While everybody is talking about bodyweight exercises, any word on when Coach Sommer’s book is coming out?
I heard a little bit ago that he is releasing it in volumes now, instead of a single book.

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lesotho & BJBliffert :

It’s obvious that we are not complaining as much about exactly what Pavel is teaching. Rather, it’s the hype that surrounds the guy.

Squeezing your butt cheeks together and blowing out a hissing noise from your mouth, while saluting the Russian flag is a great idea.

If it works for you keep doing it—keep doing it :slight_smile:

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
While everybody is talking about bodyweight exercises, any word on when Coach Sommer’s book is coming out?
I heard a little bit ago that he is releasing it in volumes now, instead of a single book.[/quote]

More importantly how much is it?

T-MEN WILL NOT BE RIPPED OFF!

(I hated to shout but felt I had to) :slight_smile:

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There is a new Bodyweight Training book for sale at ironmind for $11.95. It seems to cover upper body stuff (pushups/pullups) and core stuff. I might order that one.

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
While everybody is talking about bodyweight exercises, any word on when Coach Sommer’s book is coming out?
I heard a little bit ago that he is releasing it in volumes now, instead of a single book.[/quote]

I am also extremely interested on when Coach Sommer’s book will be released!!
Maybe someone at the Nation can give us a heads up. It would certainly be appreciated.
Worker

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No question, Nate. I agree with you. I like bodyweight exercises alot but I’m a firm believer that they are no substitute for the iron…Hindu squats are flat-out evil, though. BW exercises do really help me stay “tight” though when I’m traveling, which I have to do quite a bit. They ARE a hell of alot better than relying on the hotel “Fitness Center”, which is a whole other topic. CT’s MacGyver workout has really come in handy for me when I’m on the road.

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Ha! I use bodyweight exercises because I feel the save me time.

I have steadily been adding weight to my pullups, pistols, OAPs, and HSPUs. Pullups and Handstand pushups build big muscular arms, no doubt about it.

One benefit I feel bodyweight exercises have over tradional weights is that of increased agility. I feel more nimble than I ever did with weights, and I can actually dance and not look like a dorky white guy. You are training your body to move more cohesively as a unit as opposed to training your body to move something else.

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[quote]uberswank wrote:

They train for hours each day for many, many years to attain their bodies and strength.

Ha! I use bodyweight exercises because I feel the save me time.

I have steadily been adding weight to my pullups, pistols, OAPs, and HSPUs. Pullups and Handstand pushups build big muscular arms, no doubt about it.

One benefit I feel bodyweight exercises have over tradional weights is that of increased agility. I feel more nimble than I ever did with weights, and I can actually dance and not look like a dorky white guy. You are training your body to move more cohesively as a unit as opposed to training your body to move something else.[/quote]

There you go lads. Pushups make you a great dancer. Weights make you look clumsy and dorky. Case closed.