Brokeback Propaganda

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Harris447? Are you a fag? Did I offend you?

“You know who else sucks? Disgusting, obese, gelatinous whales.” Why do we suck? Do we host shows about how fashion savy we are? Do we try to creat special laws?

“I see these fatties out there at McDonald’s, flaunting their lifestyle in my face and it just makes me sick.” In your face? Most fat people I know are not in your face. So, should all fat people die? Should we move to one (or three) specific state(s)? If all the fatties left, then YOU’D be the new fatty. Withouot us, YOU become average. So, next time you see a fat man you should kiss his ass (or suck his dick if you can find it).

“And, don’t even get me started on ex-cons.” What’s wrong with ex-cons? Everyone is a criminal. Ex-cons just got caught. Nobody is honest. I didn’t do a search, but have you ever taken any “shakes”? You know, the ones that Barry Bonds & Jason Giambi took. Well, if you would have got caught, you would be in the ex-con club. Criminals have made america what it is today.

“People in glass houses should shut the fuck up.” I live in a glass house, I hide nothing, never did and never will.

I’m sorry if I offended your lifestyle. But if you’re gay, great. Ejoy the penis. Why talk like that? Why walk like that? Most fags act well… Like fags! You can spot one a mile away.

Now, the fag that acts like a man? Hey, no problem. I like poon, you like pecker. I can be friends with him. I can talk to him. But the fag that acts like a sissy? Nothing pisses me off more.

And hey, don’t knock ex-cons. You’d pay good money to spend some time in a Fed. Know that look fatties get when they walk in a McDonalds and everything is just a nickel? Well, you’d get the same look on your face if you get convicted of a felony.

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Now, this may generate a lot of heat, but this is strictly my opinion. I have no proof of this, and I don’t want any proof. This is just my loose theory.

All gays are possesed by a demon.

Most (not all) gays kinda act the same. They have the same demon. The same character, personality, way of talking, way of acting, etc. Now, you can argue that blacks act the same & dress the same, but if you get down to it, they are the same tribe of people. Sure Black Foot Indians look and sound the same.

Gays are not from a specific region and are not of the same genepool. They can’t reproduce with each other like a black or indian can.

You can’t discriminate against a race, they were born that way. You can’t discriminate against a cripple, they are victims of circumstance. So the gay community and a few professors of science try to make people think that you are born gay. That way it would be OK and accepted.

Now, all of a sudden gays want to be married? Why? Demonic influence. Marriage is supposed to be Holy. Between a man and a woman, that’s the way God intended it. Oh, and the tax break and insurance break.

If gays are born gay, does that mean that pedophiles are born pedophiles? Should we accept pedophiles also? Hey, Chester D Molester isn’t such a bad guy, he was born to want to fuck little kids. Allow child/adult marrige? Have a pedophile parade? Pedophile flag? Little pedophile books, Jimmy has a mommy, a daddy and a husband. Pedophile movies about how the 35 year old man was loved by the 7 year old little girl? It’ll win an oscar!

Out in the open. Prideful. Making it acceptable. Demanding rights. Shoving it in our faces. TV. Radio. Billboards. Music. All trying to make it OK to be gay. When it’s a demon. Demonic forces trying to make it acceptable. Trying to open the minds of the next generation so the demon can itsefl comfortable.

Just like a demon of depression where symptoms are similar in each case, being gay is a demonic possesion that is familiar. The language, the accent, the walk, body language, the talk, the certain look they get when they’re “out”.

Italians are similar? Sure, it’s the same group of people. A dark hairy man and a dark hairy woman having dark hairy little babies. Growing up in a certain way, with certain beliefs, and a distinctive accent (fugghetabouit).

Why are gays similar? Daddy didn’t love them? Mommy paid too much attention? They are not related. There is no blood line or heritage that they can tie in to.

Just my two cents.

Oh yea, and I agree that fat people are or could be possesed by a demon (of gluttony, one of the seven deadlys).

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Am I the only one that wonders why grown men invest so much time, energy and emotions in the question where another man puts his penis?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Am I the only one that wonders why grown men invest so much time, energy and emotions in the question where another man puts his penis?

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I think that must be the demonic influence.

Makkun

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I have a theory that fat people are consumed by demons…

Tony, I appreciate you getting back in shape and so on, on the serious threads, but you are a total fuckwit with your inane theories.

Put as much work into reading as you obviously did into eating, and maybe you’ll have something worthwhile to say in a while.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I have a theory that fat people are consumed by demons…

Tony, I appreciate you getting back in shape and so on, on the serious threads, but you are a total fuckwit with your inane theories.

Put as much work into reading as you obviously did into eating, and maybe you’ll have something worthwhile to say in a while.[/quote]

I am now interested in if demons are the reason Fat Tony was on house arrest. How does his family like living with someone who is possessed…or is it just the gays?

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I don’t think you’re a homophobe.

I think you are gay. I think that watching (or the thought of watching) gay men turns you on, and being turned on by gay men makes you angry because you beileve homosexuality is wrong.

You know why I think this? Because if it wasn’t emotionally salient to you, you wouldn’t care. The morality and “save the family” argument doesn’t hold water either; the modern family is what, 60 years old?

And the idea of sex being an expression of love is only a couple of hundred years old in western society. Traditionally, it was for procreation only. If you use contraceptives, you are as bad as the gays! (OH NOES!!!11)

Interestingly, it has been found that “homophobes”, on average, show greater tumescence than non-homophobes when viewing hot gay sex. So tell me, are you avoiding this movie because it will give you a throbbing boner? If it is, that’s pretty gay.

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I don’t see why it would matter. Speaking generally, as I have nbot seen the movie, people are multi-faceted and can have great and admirable attributues as well as reprehensible ones.

I see no problem with people lauding the certain aspects of the characters or the movie so long as they’re not defending the behaviors you mentioned.

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VROOM: “but you are a total fuckwit”
Heh. Thanks.

PROFESSOR X: “I am now interested in if demons are the reason Fat Tony was on house arrest. How does his family like living with someone who is possessed…or is it just the gays?”

I was labeled as a “Career Criminal”. The life I led was more then just influenced by a demon. Greed. Lust. Anger. Rage. I’m not sure that I’d agree with possesion, but I would’t argue against it. I say it would lean more towards demonic or evil influence.

ALEKSANDR: “I think you are gay. I think that watching (or the thought of watching) gay men turns you on, and being turned on by gay men makes you angry because you beileve homosexuality is wrong.”

I have a toy poodle. My favorite shirt is pink. I cried while watching Beaches, Old Yeller, Yearling, 61, and Debbie does Dallas. I’ve kissed men on the cheek and on the lips (Italian thing) and I have no problems with my masculinity.

I have three gay friends that act like men. You’d never know they were gay unless they told you. I’m the type of person that if I wanted to do something, even if I thought/knew it was wrong, I’d just go do it and not give a crap. Like being a “career criminal”. I knew it was wrong. Yet because of my lust for money, I did it and I was “out”.

ALEKSANDR: “And the idea of sex being an expression of love is only a couple of hundred years old in western society. Traditionally, it was for procreation only. If you use contraceptives, you are as bad as the gays! (OH NOES!!!11)”

It was for procreation only? According to the Bible, sex is a gift to a married man & woman. It’s not just for procreation. Nowhere does it say that contraceptives are wrong or bad. Sure the Pope says rubbers are bad, but there is no Biblical proof or foundation for that arguement.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:

It was for procreation only? According to the Bible, sex is a gift to a married man & woman. It’s not just for procreation. Nowhere does it say that contraceptives are wrong or bad. Sure the Pope says rubbers are bad, but there is no Biblical proof or foundation for that arguement.

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What the Church says and the bible says are very different things. A few of the earlier saints were pretty anti-sex (and misogynistic). The church held the position that obtaining pleasure from sex (or in general) was bad, but a necessary evil for procreation. The solution was to have sex as little as possible, and to not enjoy it.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
Harris447? Are you a fag? Did I offend you?

“You know who else sucks? Disgusting, obese, gelatinous whales.” Why do we suck? Do we host shows about how fashion savy we are? Do we try to creat special laws?

“I see these fatties out there at McDonald’s, flaunting their lifestyle in my face and it just makes me sick.” In your face? Most fat people I know are not in your face. So, should all fat people die? Should we move to one (or three) specific state(s)? If all the fatties left, then YOU’D be the new fatty. Withouot us, YOU become average. So, next time you see a fat man you should kiss his ass (or suck his dick if you can find it).

“And, don’t even get me started on ex-cons.” What’s wrong with ex-cons? Everyone is a criminal. Ex-cons just got caught. Nobody is honest. I didn’t do a search, but have you ever taken any “shakes”? You know, the ones that Barry Bonds & Jason Giambi took. Well, if you would have got caught, you would be in the ex-con club. Criminals have made america what it is today.

“People in glass houses should shut the fuck up.” I live in a glass house, I hide nothing, never did and never will.

I’m sorry if I offended your lifestyle. But if you’re gay, great. Ejoy the penis. Why talk like that? Why walk like that? Most fags act well… Like fags! You can spot one a mile away.

Now, the fag that acts like a man? Hey, no problem. I like poon, you like pecker. I can be friends with him. I can talk to him. But the fag that acts like a sissy? Nothing pisses me off more.

And hey, don’t knock ex-cons. You’d pay good money to spend some time in a Fed. Know that look fatties get when they walk in a McDonalds and everything is just a nickel? Well, you’d get the same look on your face if you get convicted of a felony.[/quote]

Well, first off: no, I’m not gay.

And you didn’t offend me, as much as you offended everyone around your utter dumbness and retro-stupidity.

My entire point was that a sweaty, weak pustulent heart attack waiting-to-happen, someone whose blood type is rocky road, someone who no longer has the right to vote because he was so fucking stupid he couldn’t even break the law properly…well, he should shut the fuck up about everything.

Now, if you want to be an orca…fine. But why waddle like that? Why talk with your mouth full of food? I can spot you one mile away! (Literally, I can, you slothful, chafed-thigh hamburgler.

Since you’ve come on this board, you’ve done nothing but crow about how you can now hoist 50 POUND DUMBBELLS! Wow! LightWEIGHT! I’m sure no one here warms up with those. (Because they’re too light, mostly.)

And, why the fuck shouldn’t I knock ex-cons? Not only are you a criminal–and, by the way not all of us are; most people do the right thing, instead of cheating like a scumbag–but you were so fucking bad at it, you got caught.

Jails aren’t full of criminals: they’re full of idiots.

Hey, wait! You aren’t so anti-gay because youwere maybe someone’s…nah, who would want to fuck you?

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How can anyone find Fat Tony offensive? I think it’s hilarious that an adult presumably above the threshold for mental retardation can actually have those views (if indeed they are not a hoax).

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
vroom wrote:
If you are a minority group that is persecuted by the majority, who’s had to live a dual or hidden life, who’s been afraid to admit the truth of your feelings to anyone, then perhaps you might want to be able to openly celebrate your existance.

WTF? Don’t even equate gays with minorities. A sexual lifestyle is NOT a minority status and has nothing to do with someone’s skin color or racial background.

You have no basis to include gays in a minority status other than they have a deviant sexual lifestyle in terms of the majority, but so do pedophiles, those who have sex with animals, etc… So just because they are deviant doesn’t mean that grants them minority status.

This shit is offensive to true minorities who have been persecuted for the way they look and where they come from. Nobody knows someone’s sexual practices unless they tell you. So having minority status for that is asinine!

Now, both Pro X and Aldurr should be jumping in here as well, but they won’t. They won’t because it is PC to treat deviant sexual preference as a minority status. But it is truly offensive to the history and struggles of real minorities in the USA.

What are you talking about? Do you know what the word “minority” means? Do you understand English? How on Earth are gays not a minority group that has been persecuted by the majority? What the fuck are you talking about “true minority status”? All Vroom was implying is that typically people in a minority group that are perscuted by a majority tend to celebrate when they an openly express their feelings. This forum is an example of that.

How is sexual preference a minority status? How would someone know to persecute them if they didn’t say they were gay? How the fucking hell can you compare people who have struggled in this country to be accepted as just being human to a sexual preference choice?

I can’t choose to be a different skin color or from a different race, by gays can and do choose their lifestyle preferences. Comparing the two is totally offensive. I would like you to go to any predominately Latino part of town and spout out that shit. Then explain to them what you just did to me as they are kicking the living shit out of you!

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Again, let me put this plainly so you can understand…no one anywhere compared sexuality to race, except you. Vroom said simply that they are in a minority…do you know what a minority is?

From the dictionary:

“2 : the smaller in number of two groups constituting a whole;”

Homosexuals/Heterosexuals - Minority population/Majority population.

Jesus Christ I see why RJ gets so frustrated in these forum…half of you guys can’t comprehend simple English! Please learn to read before responding to anymore posts. Why do YOU keep comparing sexuality to race when it’s not even the point of the post?

BTW, what makes you think I don’t live in a predominately Latino part of town?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
makkun wrote:
Lorisco,
Lorisco wrote:

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How is sexual preference a minority status? How would someone know to persecute them if they didn’t say they were gay? How the fucking hell can you compare people who have struggled in this country to be accepted as just being human to a sexual preference choice?

I can’t choose to be a different skin color or from a different race, by gays can and do choose their lifestyle preferences. Comparing the two is totally offensive. I would like you to go to any predominately Latino part of town and spout out that shit. Then explain to them what you just did to me as they are kicking the living shit out of you!

I think you misunderstand the term minority yourself: “a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment”
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=Minority

Anyone can be part of a minority (women, Christians, Texans, nomads, Martians), just depending on the socio-economic context. To state that gay people are not a minority is therefore a misinterpretation.

To state that homosexuality is a choice is problematic as well, as - I think ZEB has pointed that out in a huge thread on the topic once - this has not been proven; neither is it proven that it is purely biological. So that bit of your argument is weak as well, as you have cannot really verify your statement.

But the part of your argument that is really disappointing is that you do not seem to acknowledge that people have been persecuted for what they are - whether they had a choice in their otherness or not. Homosexuals have been subjected to violence, discrimination and were put into concentration camps just like jewish people (a religious choice, not a biological classification either). The fact that there were (are) enough assholes around them to make their lives miserable is what makes minority groups comparable - whether their otherness is based on choice or not.

So even if it were their choice, gay people have a right not to be prosecuted, which any true freedom-loving democratic humanist should defend.

Makkun

You obviously haven’t read his other posts.

That is all I will add to this thread at this point. Debating with Lorisco is a waste of energy and internet bandwidth.[/quote]

Agreed. I’m done responding until Lorisco learns to read and comprehend simple English.

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As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

So much time and effort talking about what other people do in privacy.

There’s so much real shit going on and some idiot comes to an internet forum to bash people because they like to sleep with person A not person B!

47.000.000 people in the USA don’t have HEALTH insurance, the educational system is far from ideal everywhere.

There’s an AIDS plague killing the cityzens of various african countries nand some fucktards come here to show how much they hate other human beings for being different from them.

Are you a cristian?
Pray for your own soul and read the fucking byble.

Aren’t you a Cristian?
Get laid!

w

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Speaking of the cowboy issue, is the word cowboy actually used in the movie? I think that Heath ledger’s character late in the movie says it to his daughter, about how his boss “needs a cowboy”, but other than that, I really can’t remember.

My belief about morality is that the more energy you spend dengerating the acts and behaviors of others, the less energy you spend working on your own. If I had kids,
( and probably only if they were older than say, 10 or 12) i think I would let them watch this before, say, the Matrix, Terminator, and I like those films. I think our culture, the MPAA, and the FCC gets so uptight about sex in general (the Jackson/Timberlake fiasco, independ films which feature little violence and non-gratitous sex getting slapped with R and NC17 ratings) that they ignore a much bigger issue, of violence in film. I like violent films and tv shows, true, but my hypothetical kids wouldnt watch them. The only recent row I can remember about a movie’s violent (as opposed to sexual) content was about the Matrix, but I suspect that has to do with the fantasy/subculture element. I never saw FOX News instigate a whispering campaign against “Doom”, “Collatteral” (which i enjoyed),or for that matter fucking “Sin City” (which I adore, greatly), bc these all feature pretty white men shooting bad (insert: non-white people, aliens) and sticking their ding dongs in the appropriate orifices in relationships of which the Pope/Pat Robertson officially endorse.

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[quote]warlock wrote:
As a black guy once said:
“–Homossexuals are the niggers of the 21st century!”.

So much time and effort talking about what other people do in privacy.

There’s so much real shit going on and some idiot comes to an internet forum to bash people because they like to sleep with person A not person B!

47.000.000 people in the USA don’t have HEALTH insurance, the educational system is far from ideal everywhere.

There’s an AIDS plague killing the cityzens of various african countries nand some fucktards come here to show how much they hate other human beings for being different from them.

Are you a cristian?
Pray for your own soul and read the fucking byble.

Aren’t you a Cristian?
Get laid!

w

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Warlock, if you keep it up with all the common sense and intelligence, you’re going to have to leave.

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Let’s become Muslims so we can get rid of all the gays :slight_smile:

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Aleksandr: What the church says and what the actual Bible says are indeed two different thing. That’s why a person needs to make sure he doesn’t get sucked into religion. Something sounds fishy to you? Read, study, back it up. Make sure it’s not some made up rule.

Harris447: So, because I am fat and got caught, I should shut up about EVERYTHING? And I’m the stupid one?

So, if you get fat, your life is over and meaningless. I take it you are not married and don’t have kids. Womens like to swell up after a kid or three.

So, if you commit a crime, your life in public should be minimal. Just shut up about everything?

Orca? Slothful? Wow, I need to go cry now! Waaaa! Waaaa! If you are going to make fun of a fat man (who obviouslly makes fun of himself), try being creative. I posted about being fat, my name is Fat Tony, I posted about not fitting in an S10, and I even mentioned something about airline seats. I’m fat? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN! (is that the reaction you was looking for?)

“Since you’ve come on this board, you’ve done nothing but crow about how you can now hoist 50 POUND DUMBBELLS! Wow! LightWEIGHT! I’m sure no one here warms up with those. (Because they’re too light, mostly.)”

I made an improvement that I was proud about. I also mentioned that my penis was slightly bigger. Are you going to brag about how hung you are?

“And, why the fuck shouldn’t I knock ex-cons? Not only are you a criminal–and, by the way not all of us are; most people do the right thing, instead of cheating like a scumbag–but you were so fucking bad at it, you got caught.”

So bad at it? I was a great criminal. I led the life for over 20 years. Even Mike Tyson lost in his prime. EVERYONE is a criminal. Nobody is a goody good doer. Steroids? Taxes? Nobody is innocent.

Cheating like a scumbag? Why am I a scumbag? You don’t even know what I’ve done. For all you know I pissed in a post office while drunk. (being on government property drunk is a federal offence btw).

I got caught. I’d do it again too.

“Hey, wait! You aren’t so anti-gay because youwere maybe someone’s…nah, who would want to fuck you?” So let me get this straight. You are not gay, yet you thought about me taking it up the ass and in prison? And I’m the homophobe?

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[quote]paul bunyan wrote:
Have you actually thought about this post of yours here.

That doctor is a fucktard. I havn’t seen this movie and I don’t plan on it. When there is something I don’t like, I avoid it. I don’t seek out lunatic articles by Dr’s that have clearly been huffing mass ammounts of their own ether.

So with this logic every romantic movie with straight people is a propaganda film trying to discourage homosexualtity. Come on buddy. This Dr clearly uses his bible before he uses his brain and you agree with him. WTF!!!

The crap this guy talks about sounds like basic film making technique that is in most movies.

I wish you christians would try and keep your beliefs out of the lives of other people.

You know who else hated and persocuted the queers? The nazis.
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Thinking quickly he goes right for page 4 of his Al Franken handbook and comes up with the old tried and true “you are a nazi” attack. Nice job!

Newsflash : Gay friendly academy gives a crappy gay friendly movie award. Nothing to see here.

Gay infiltration! Oh no! Wait, on second thought, I’m not gay but I went to P-town last summer with my gf and if that is how gays would run the country once their gay cowboy movie enables them to enslave everyone sign me up.

I for one hope their fiendish plot succeeds at least a little so some of you turn gay and I have less competition for “Moist Blond”.

Still, go easy on the anti-Christian stuff dude. Christians are a majority. We are much more tolerant than your sophmoric attitude acknowledges. We are tolerating you atheists not vice versa.

I find it ironic that you claim we have no tolerance when it is the only thing that keeps us from doing things like burning you are the stake :slight_smile:

-M