Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
One last thought, since I just came across this quote today and felt it was a perfect summation of the course of discussion in this thread.

Those of you with religious prejudice against homosexuality don’t even realize that you are operating under a confirmatory bias. You ignore evidence which fails to support your beliefs, and rally around any tenuous tidbit which seems to support them.

Of course, being gay I am subject to the same confirmatory biases in the opposite direction. The difference is that my conclusions on homosexuality are supported by the scientific research of every major medical and mental health organization in the world, and your conclusions are directly contradicted by these organizations. Since it is the job of these organizations to separate the empirical wheat from the chaff, people are wise to trust them over extremist organizations like NARTH, with an overt homophobic agenda.

Normally, I wouldn’t care what you fundamentalists believe. However, you aren’t content with keeping your beliefs within your church, and instead feel compelled to impose them on others. Unfortunately, gays in a vulnerable position (especially gay youth) may make the mistake of taking your claims at face value, and become damaged in the process.

I will say once again that I believe the suicides of many gay people are on the hands of fundamentalists that push a homophobic religious agenda, without educating themselves on the consequences of their crusade. If there is a god, I believe you will be held accountable for that.

Given that context, here is the quote:

The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

One day, society will treat gays with fairness and respect. Looking back on how women and blacks were treated historically, most people today wonder at the bigotry that was so prevalent. People will eventually view the current treatment of gays in the same light.

Big difference – women and blacks are normal people, except those that are perverts.

What’s next in your agenda? Do I have to treat perverts who want to fuck sheep and goats with respect? Is pedophilia just an alternative lifestyle choice?

Man, the same major malfunction that made you gay is fucking up your reasoning. Go to a psychiatrist now!!

[/quote]

It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.

I knew you just couldn’t stay away…you don’t have the discipline. :wink:

[quote]forlife wrote:
One last thought, since I just came across this quote today and felt it was a perfect summation of the course of discussion in this thread.

Those of you with religious prejudice against homosexuality don’t even realize that you are operating under a confirmatory bias.[/quote]

You like to address the fact that some of us are “religious.” However, the overwhelming bulk of this discussion had and has NOTHING to do with religion. It did have EVERYTHING to do with hard facts!

Those are the things that you seem to be not up to addressing, as you have no answer!

You have come back to continue to spread falsehoods I am sorry to say.

  1. The Center For Disease Control is indeed a major medical and health organization.

In fact, most of the negative evidence that I have gleaned regarding homosexuality has been from their site!
So, they obviously DO NOT agree with you!

Also, I would be remiss If I did not mention that the medical organizations to which you refer do not in fact deny that homosexuality is a very high risk lifestyle, both physically and mentally.

In short, you have no place to hang your hat when it comes to all of the damaging statistics that have been laid at your feet.

The bulk of my health information was obtained from the governments own CDC! Is the CDC homophobic as well?

Any institution or individual that produces usable facts that are not in line with the politically correct homosexual agenda is automatically “homophobic.”
And that very much reduces the validity of your entire argument.

As I have stated, this was not so much a “religious” debate as it was a debate on the available evidence on the dangers of the primary homosexual act and the homosexual lifestyle.

Any onlooker to this thread can readily see that I have well proven my point with the many volumes of surveys, data and other evidence which clearly points out that homosexuals are less healthy, have far more emotional problems lead the nation in HIV (64% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men!). And live far shorter and much more unhappier lives!

One of the most interesting comments to date. As you continue to beat the religious drum I feel compelled to inform you that if it is okay for homosexuals to “come out of the closet” it is certainly fine for Christians to do the same thing.

When attempting to change societal norms to the extent of attempting to legitimize homosexual unions you must realize that the oppostion which you are feeling from me on this thread is only a very tiny flash compared to what is to come.

almost half the states in the United States have currently voted to prohibit homosexuals from marrying. In additon to this an average 70% from recent polls across the nation are against any such legitimizing of homosexual unions.

In short, if two men want to move in and have sex together they have every right, as this is America and that is apparently how they are seeking “happiness.” However, that’s as far as it’s going. If you don’t know that by now, stay tuned my friend!

You have been called to task by at least three people on this very thread to prove that seeking therapy causes some sort of damage. Thus far you have come up with nothing!

I can only assume that this is one more lie coming from the politically correct homosexuals who insist on perpetuating myths about homosexuality. Those myths including that homosexuals are somehow “born that way.”

Those lies have harmed more young men than you will ever know.

Therapy on the other hand has worked wonders for thousands of homosexuals who now live as heterosexuals, many happily married.

Becuase you quit does not mean that others should not try.

Now prove that therapy causes damage or stop staying it!

You can also believe that everytime someone pats you on the head your butt will spit quarters, but I wouldn’t count on it. :slight_smile: (I made a funny)

Again, you have ZERO proof that anyone is damaged by those of us who are urging therapy. In fact, the statistics prove you wrong as thousands have indeed changed!

Why do you think that lying about this will change it?

Could it be because the entire homosexual movement is founded on lies?

(I will post more on this later)

The fact that you have to ask “if there is a God” means that you may very likely fall under judgement! Those of us who know that there is a God and know who his son is that died for us don’t have to ask “if there is a God.”

Certainly Oliver Wendell Holmes had no idea that his wonderful words would be chosen by you to attempt to get people to accept the homosexual lifestyle. And that is exactly what the politically correct are attempting to do.

It is not a matter of bigotry, as that means not being tolerant. It think most everyone is “tolerant” of homosexuals. It’s “acceptance” which is wanted. Accpetance as a traditional couple has, and that will never happen.

Here is one of my favorite quotes:

“It’s about time we all faced up to the truth. If we accept the radical homosexual agenda, be it in the military or in marriage or in other areas of our lives, we are utterly destroying the concept of family.”

Alan Keyes

For the most part they do now. If you are looking for special rights, like marriage, that “one day” will not be worth holding your breath for, as it will not be happening.

No that won’t happen either!

You see, as I have pointed out to you many times and will be glad to do it many times more:

Homosexuality is an act

Being a minority or a women is genetic

If one does not draw that very fair line then any sort of group pushing any sort of agenda has automatic “special rights.” Groups like polygamists or those preferring incest can say the exact same thing that you are.

Good thing that almost everyone out there who can see the obvious difference between “genetic” differences and “behavioral” differences.

Please do not stop posting. I feel that I have been given your participation as a gift to once again spread the truth about what exactly homosexuality is and is not.

[quote]harris447 wrote:

It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.
[/quote]

And everytime you spread your Christian hating posts across this forum I always pray that you are better than that.

But I am always disappointed!

[quote]forlife wrote:
One last thought, since I just came across this quote today and felt it was a perfect summation of the course of discussion in this thread.

Those of you with religious prejudice against homosexuality don’t even realize that you are operating under a confirmatory bias. You ignore evidence which fails to support your beliefs, and rally around any tenuous tidbit which seems to support them.

Of course, being gay I am subject to the same confirmatory biases in the opposite direction. The difference is that my conclusions on homosexuality are supported by the scientific research of every major medical and mental health organization in the world, and your conclusions are directly contradicted by these organizations. Since it is the job of these organizations to separate the empirical wheat from the chaff, people are wise to trust them over extremist organizations like NARTH, with an overt homophobic agenda.

Normally, I wouldn’t care what you fundamentalists believe. However, you aren’t content with keeping your beliefs within your church, and instead feel compelled to impose them on others. Unfortunately, gays in a vulnerable position (especially gay youth) may make the mistake of taking your claims at face value, and become damaged in the process.

I will say once again that I believe the suicides of many gay people are on the hands of fundamentalists that push a homophobic religious agenda, without educating themselves on the consequences of their crusade. If there is a god, I believe you will be held accountable for that.

Given that context, here is the quote:

The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

One day, society will treat gays with fairness and respect. Looking back on how women and blacks were treated historically, most people today wonder at the bigotry that was so prevalent. People will eventually view the current treatment of gays in the same light.[/quote]

So, rather than deal with the facts presented, in particular the fact that changing orientation from homosexual to hetero sexual is not dangerous, you do some name calling.

[quote]harris447 wrote:

It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.
[/quote]

You should take a look in the mirror. You are the most hate-filled person I have encountered in all these threads.

You are like an obnoxious rat-terrior. You constantly pick fights, and when you are blasted for being dumb as a rock, you run with your tail between your legs.

I sure hope you are strong, because you’ve missed out in the brains department.

This really is my last post. I promise, and agnostics don’t lie :wink:

The fundamentalists want you to believe that gays should attempt to change their orientation. They provide “success stories” from poorly designed research, or from people that were bisexual rather than gay. They deny that EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS CONCLUDED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THEIR ORIENTATION, AND THAT ATTEMPTING TO DO SO CAN BE HARMFUL.

Here is the truth, for those that will hear it:

Several leading medical and mental health organizations developed and endorsed “Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel” in 1999. According to that document:

The American Academy of Pediatrics in its policy statement on Homosexuality and Adolescence states:

According to the American Medical Association:

National Association of Social Workers:

The Surgeon General’s Call to Action to Promote Sexual Health and Responsible Sexual Behavior (2001) asserts that homosexuality is not “a reversible lifestyle choice.”

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
One last thought, since I just came across this quote today and felt it was a perfect summation of the course of discussion in this thread.

Those of you with religious prejudice against homosexuality don’t even realize that you are operating under a confirmatory bias. You ignore evidence which fails to support your beliefs, and rally around any tenuous tidbit which seems to support them.

Of course, being gay I am subject to the same confirmatory biases in the opposite direction. The difference is that my conclusions on homosexuality are supported by the scientific research of every major medical and mental health organization in the world, and your conclusions are directly contradicted by these organizations. Since it is the job of these organizations to separate the empirical wheat from the chaff, people are wise to trust them over extremist organizations like NARTH, with an overt homophobic agenda.

Normally, I wouldn’t care what you fundamentalists believe. However, you aren’t content with keeping your beliefs within your church, and instead feel compelled to impose them on others. Unfortunately, gays in a vulnerable position (especially gay youth) may make the mistake of taking your claims at face value, and become damaged in the process.

I will say once again that I believe the suicides of many gay people are on the hands of fundamentalists that push a homophobic religious agenda, without educating themselves on the consequences of their crusade. If there is a god, I believe you will be held accountable for that.

Given that context, here is the quote:

The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

One day, society will treat gays with fairness and respect. Looking back on how women and blacks were treated historically, most people today wonder at the bigotry that was so prevalent. People will eventually view the current treatment of gays in the same light.

Big difference – women and blacks are normal people, except those that are perverts.

What’s next in your agenda? Do I have to treat perverts who want to fuck sheep and goats with respect? Is pedophilia just an alternative lifestyle choice?

Man, the same major malfunction that made you gay is fucking up your reasoning. Go to a psychiatrist now!!

It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.
[/quote]
Did you read Forlife’s entire post? Religious people (he calls us all ‘fundamentalists’) are responsible for gay suicides. Uhhh…yeah…

I guess I am blind. I don’t see the least bit of hate in my post. This guy wants me to respect something my religion says is evil. I asked him if it now follows that I have to respect other perverse things. What’s hateful about that?

This nutjob accused me of being an accessory to murder, and I’M full of hate? Wow.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Big difference – women and blacks are normal people, except those that are perverts.

What’s next in your agenda? Do I have to treat perverts who want to fuck sheep and goats with respect? Is pedophilia just an alternative lifestyle choice?

Man, the same major malfunction that made you gay is fucking up your reasoning. Go to a psychiatrist now!!

If I were an admin, I would throw you so out, Mister.
Agitators who spew their hate for homosexuals have no right to persist in a western democracy.
How about migrating to Iran? The government shares your values.

[/quote]

How is what I said ‘spewing hate’? According to the guy’s logic, I have to be accepting of any and all lifestyles, right? So I’m supposed to just happily accept perverts and pedophiles in the same way? How is that hateful?

Man, are you guys over there accepting of ANYTHING and everything? I bet if you had a couple of drag-queens living above you screaming all night, you’d kick 'em out too. Then they’d say: “Oh, you just hate all gays. What an evil hate-spewer you!!”

C’mon Black Traveller, das ist nicht sehr gut!

[quote]forlife wrote:
This really is my last post. I promise, and agnostics don’t lie :wink:

The fundamentalists want you to believe that gays should attempt to change their orientation. They provide “success stories” from poorly designed research, or from people that were bisexual rather than gay. They deny that EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS CONCLUDED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THEIR ORIENTATION, AND THAT ATTEMPTING TO DO SO CAN BE HARMFUL.

Here is the truth, for those that will hear it:

Several leading medical and mental health organizations developed and endorsed “Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel” in 1999. According to that document:

No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective, and in fact they may be harmful

The American Academy of Pediatrics in its policy statement on Homosexuality and Adolescence states:

Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation.

According to the American Medical Association:

Most of the emotional disturbance experienced by gay men and lesbians around their sexual identity is not based on physiological causes but rather is due more to a sense of alienation in an un-accepting environment. For this reason, aversion therapy is no longer recommended for gay men and lesbians.

National Association of Social Workers:

…health and mental health professional organizations do not support efforts to change young people’s sexual orientation through ‘reparative therapy’ and have raised serious concerns about its potential to do harm.

The Surgeon General’s Call to Action to Promote Sexual Health and Responsible Sexual Behavior (2001) asserts that homosexuality is not “a reversible lifestyle choice.”[/quote]

True, like lemmings to the sea, some people just can’t change or help themselves. When they die in some hospital bed, screaming in agony, I bet though that they wish someone had tried.

[quote]forlife wrote:
This really is my last post. I promise, and agnostics don’t lie ;)[/quote]

LOL that’s the third time that you said it! And why would you want to leave this thread anyway?

You and I are the Hannity & Combs of “gay talk.” :wink:

That is an unadulterated lie!

You have not refuted even ONE of the many studies that I have posted. NOT ONE!

I want everyone to take a look at this:

“Discovering same-sex attractions can cause tremendous internal conflict and struggle, especially when those feelings conflict with a person’s values, beliefs and life plans, or the values and beliefs of his family and culture. We know. We’ve been there. But we’ve also learned that it needn’t be like that. There are positive alternatives for men who are conflicted over homosexual feelings.”

The above is what causes the very high anxiety and depression rate among homosexuals. forlife stating that it’s Christians who cause the problem is like saying that it’s the alcholics wife that has caused his addiction-it simply makes no sense.

READ ON:

"Sadly, the climate in academic circles today has become decidedly hostile toward research involving treatment of homosexuality, for “political correctness” is dominant, especially in the American Psychiatric Association, and those suggesting homosexuality is something to cure may be treated as pariahs.

We can see the truth in the above paragraph simply from the way some have responded to me for just posting the facts on homosexuality.

"While investigations into treating homosexuality have suddenly become rare in light of a politically correct chill effect,a significant body of work demonstrates that homosexuality can be treated successfully - with success rates well above those for treating alcoholics. Secular treatment of homosexuality using psychotherapy or psychoanalysis has been reported in a variety of studies, beginning with Freud himself, who reported a 50% success rate in treating 8 homosexuals (A. Freud, “Some Clinical Remarks Concerning the Treatment of Male Homosexuality,” The Intl. Journal of Psychoanalysis, Vol. 30, p. 195, as cited by Satinover, p. 185).

Satinover summarizes additional published studies on treatment of homosexuality with psychotherapy (mostly) and psychoanalysis, having a composite success rate of 52% in treating a total of 341 homosexuals (p. 186).

The most recently cited study (G. van den Aardweg, On the Origins and Treatment of Homosexuality: A Psychoanalytic Reinterpretation, Westport, Conn.:Praeger, 1986) reports a success rate of 65% in treating 101 people. “Success” in these studies is defined as “considerable” to “complete” change. Though the nine studies listed by Satinover have small sample sizes, the results still contradict gay propaganda by showing that homosexuality can be treated. The data demonstrate that change is possible."

http://www.jefflindsay.com/gays.html

These methods have nothing to do with the Church or “fundamentalism” (as forlife puts it).

It’s easy for him to draw a black and white picture in a very narrow minded manner.

“It’s US vs THEM” he rants. As if that makes any sense at all. There are no “real” Christians on this board who want to see the suffering of the typical homosexual continue. However, it is not simply Christianity that compels me to spend my time posting on this forum about the dangers of this practice and lifestyle.

Homosexuls are the most unhealthy group in the US. Their rates of death and disease can only be compared to someone who is an addicted hard drug user.

Everyone should be touched by the pain that these people have been tricked into thinking they can’t change.

IT’S A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE AND I WILL NEVER STOP TALKING ABOUT UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE TO HELP THEM!

It is not a coincidence that 64% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men. It’s not a coincidence that homsexual men lead the way in just about every communicable disease! It’s not a coincidence that anal cancer in gay men is 30 times higher than in the heterosexual population! It’s not a coincidence that gay men suffer from a much higher rate of anxiety, depression and suicide. And it’s not a coincidence that homosexuals die at a much younger age than heterosexuals do. In some studies they don’t even reach their 55th birthday!

This is a tragedy and it’s happening right under our noses with the blessing of the politically correct! The politically correct don’t want you to see these statistics and they don’t want you to think that anyone can change. They have their own agenda and it has NOTHING to do with the truth.

I am simply here to state that if one person can (and wants to) change then it is not impossible. And in fact far from impossible, as the success rate for change has been as high as 70% in some studies!

Everyone has read the dramatic evidence relative to the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle and the primary homosexual act. The CDC (the governments primary source for health statistics) States that there is no way to have safe anal sex! From there simply add the promiscuity factor and the rest is easy to figure out, but sad to acknowledge.

While forlife has claimed multiple times that attempting to change is dangerous he has provided ZERO proof to back up that statement.

In fact, according to every single statistic from every single health organization homosexuality is dangerous! And not trying to change is the real danger.

harris447 wrote:[quote]
It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.
[/quote]
terribleivan wrote:[quote]
You should take a look in the mirror. You are the most hate-filled person I have encountered in all these threads.

You are like an obnoxious rat-terrior. You constantly pick fights, and when you are blasted for being dumb as a rock, you run with your tail between your legs.

I sure hope you are strong, because you’ve missed out in the brains department.
[/quote]
To someone who set up a thread mocking the Christian Faith and then calling others “hate-filled”, this was a well-deserved response.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
“Discovering same-sex attractions can cause tremendous internal conflict and struggle, especially when those feelings conflict with a person’s values, beliefs and life plans, or the values and beliefs of his family and culture. We know. We’ve been there. But we’ve also learned that it needn’t be like that. There are positive alternatives for men who are conflicted over homosexual feelings.”

The above is what causes the very high anxiety and depression rate among homosexuals. forlife stating that it’s Christians who cause the problem is like saying that it’s the alcholics wife that has caused his addiction-it simply makes no sense.
[/quote]
The saddest thing is, instead of the atheists lurking in this thread weighing the information that’s been provided, they’re so strongly opposed to Christian belief that they glance over the facts and launch assaults against religion.

I’ve given you religious fanatics a solid 8 pages to come up with something relevant, and I find myself disappointed.

Anyways, a few disjointed responses follow.

-Glee

[quote]forlife wrote:

  1. Heterosexuals lead in new rates of HIV infection outside the US.

ZEB wrote:
There are far more heterosexuals than homosexuals. This is just one more way that you lie in order to confuse the facts.[/quote]

Irrelevant. You love all people, so you want to help the largest amount of downtrodden and unfortunate, remember? In this case, that happens to be heterosexuals.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You should have lied better with this one. Statistically more gays have anal sex than heterosexuals. But of course you want to play games with facts.[/quote]

You mean: proportionally more gays have anal sex than men (which is debatable anyways). But that’s irrelevant anyways, because statistically, way way WAY more heterosexuals have anal sex than homosexuals.

[quote]You know all anyone has to do is just think about it. There is only two main ways that two gay men have sex: oral or anal. How many do heterosexuals have?

Exactly![/quote]

I really don’t think that a religious fanatic is in a position to dole out sexual advice, unless he/she is a tantrist. Nice try though.

[quote]Religion is not based on objective reality. Regardless, there are many religions which are not homophobic (see the list of Christian religions provided earlier, for example).

There is no “Christian religion” that allows for, or promotes homosexual sex.[/quote]

Absolute statement. Needs a single counter-argument to be completely invalidated.

Hrmmmmmmm… http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_ucca.htm

You took the words right out of my mouth :wink:

-Glee

[quote]forlife wrote:
I’ve shown over and over (and OVER) again that your conclusions about homosexuality are DIRECTLY AND CONCLUSIVELY CONTRADICTED BY EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION.

ZEB wrote:
Not one of them ever reached a conclusion that homosexuals were happier, and healthier than the general public.[/quote]

Not one of them ever reached a conclusion that people with argyle fedoras were happier, and healthier than the general public.

Your point?

-Glee

[quote]forlife wrote:
EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION RECOMMENDS AGAINST ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE ONE’S SEXUAL ORIENTATION, BECAUSE DOING SO CAN BE DAMAGING!!!

Read the above 10 times and get back to me when you have a sane response.

ZEB wrote:
Yes, I know you like to rely on that line. But the fact remains that people can and do change everyday.

Now how do you suppose that they do it if it were impossible?[/quote]

I know this might be a little complicated for you, ZEB, but it’s possible for someone to agree with some of the things you say and facts that you present, while still believing that you’re wrong in your conclusions.

In this specific case, it has been repeatedly conceded that some people can and do seem to “change”. Everyday, I’m not so sure, but that’s probably a figure of speech.

Now, here’s the part where you need to pay attention. Attempts to change someone’s sexual orientation:

  1. …fail far more often than they succeed.
  2. …can lead to psychological damage, in some cases grave and irreversible.
  3. …have yet to be proven necessary by any scientific body, and are only “proven” beneficial by biased organisations (like NARTH).
  4. …are contraindicated by medical bodies that know far more about these things than you or I.
  5. …can seem successful when they aren’t, because subjects of such “treatment” are under immense pressure to either succeed, or to feign success. Concrete examples exist of this type of dishonest behaviour.

Conclusion: It’s just not worth it, in the best of cases, and it’s actively harmful to society in the worst case.

-Glee

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
One last thought, since I just came across this quote today and felt it was a perfect summation of the course of discussion in this thread.

Those of you with religious prejudice against homosexuality don’t even realize that you are operating under a confirmatory bias. You ignore evidence which fails to support your beliefs, and rally around any tenuous tidbit which seems to support them.

Of course, being gay I am subject to the same confirmatory biases in the opposite direction. The difference is that my conclusions on homosexuality are supported by the scientific research of every major medical and mental health organization in the world, and your conclusions are directly contradicted by these organizations. Since it is the job of these organizations to separate the empirical wheat from the chaff, people are wise to trust them over extremist organizations like NARTH, with an overt homophobic agenda.

Normally, I wouldn’t care what you fundamentalists believe. However, you aren’t content with keeping your beliefs within your church, and instead feel compelled to impose them on others. Unfortunately, gays in a vulnerable position (especially gay youth) may make the mistake of taking your claims at face value, and become damaged in the process.

I will say once again that I believe the suicides of many gay people are on the hands of fundamentalists that push a homophobic religious agenda, without educating themselves on the consequences of their crusade. If there is a god, I believe you will be held accountable for that.

Given that context, here is the quote:

The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract. -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

One day, society will treat gays with fairness and respect. Looking back on how women and blacks were treated historically, most people today wonder at the bigotry that was so prevalent. People will eventually view the current treatment of gays in the same light.

Big difference – women and blacks are normal people, except those that are perverts.

What’s next in your agenda? Do I have to treat perverts who want to fuck sheep and goats with respect? Is pedophilia just an alternative lifestyle choice?

Man, the same major malfunction that made you gay is fucking up your reasoning. Go to a psychiatrist now!!

It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.

Did you read Forlife’s entire post? Religious people (he calls us all ‘fundamentalists’) are responsible for gay suicides. Uhhh…yeah…

I guess I am blind. I don’t see the least bit of hate in my post. This guy wants me to respect something my religion says is evil. I asked him if it now follows that I have to respect other perverse things. What’s hateful about that?

This nutjob accused me of being an accessory to murder, and I’M full of hate? Wow.

[/quote]

You must be blind. Do you honestly think that equating homosexuality with animal fucking is even slightly okay?

Do you have any gay family members, friends, co-workers? Do you tell them these things to their face, or just spout your ignorant bullshit anonymously on the internet?

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:

It’s nice to know you don’t confine your stupidity to the political threads.

What you wrote were, honest to Jebus, the most ignorant, hateful things I’ve ever heard.

You’re better than that.

You should take a look in the mirror. You are the most hate-filled person I have encountered in all these threads.

You are like an obnoxious rat-terrior. You constantly pick fights, and when you are blasted for being dumb as a rock, you run with your tail between your legs.

I sure hope you are strong, because you’ve missed out in the brains department.

[/quote]

What a great Christian you are!

If you ever met Jebus, he’d call you a scumbag.

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
The concept of a sexuality spectrum isn’t a definite or regulated one. It’s simply a widely-accepted paradigm based on the observation that people have various levels of sexual attraction to various things. In this context, we’re talking about the spectrum that basically runs from 100% heterosexual and 0% homosexual on one end to 0% heterosexual and 100% homosexual on the other.
-Glee

stellar_horizons wrote:
So like I was inquiring about, there may be homosexual men that are attracted to other homosexual men for a score of 30% on this scale; heterosexual men 25%; homosexual women 3%; heterosexual women 2%; minors for 25%; goats for 4%; and watermelons for 1%.[/quote]

It’s entirely possible, yes.

Sure. Lots of people should be kept out of lots of things. But we don’t have infinite logistical resources in the world, so we have to be reasonable and attack the largest problems, where our efforts will yield the greatest benefit. Sadly, we have greater problems in this world than watermellonsexuals.

What are you going on about? It no more serves homosexuals than it serves heterosexuals.

You’d have a hard time missing the point any more if you tried [1]. The sexual continuum isn’t used to advocate homosexuality, it’s used to illustrate sexuality of all kinds, in opposition to those who propose (quite inaccurately) that everyone is either a) 100% heterosexual or b) a fornicator.

-Glee


[1] I’m glad you’re trying to understand, though.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Do you have any proof that all of the subjects who dropped their same sex attraction are lying?[/quote]

You’re the one making the positive assertion. Yours is the burden of proof. I should warn you, though, that it’s quite a burden because it’s already been verifiably shown in this thread that at least one high-profile “ex gay” lied about his “treatment”.

[quote]You spout off…yet are short on facts.

“major medical bla bla bla”

Like they know everything?[/quote]

No, of course they don’t know everything. They just know multiples more about the human body and mind in the medical context than you, me, the few scientists you’ve shown as advocates that gay=wrong, and everyone else in this entire thread combined.

-Glee