Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]forlife wrote:

stellar_horizon wrote:
Ewwww. A man licking another man’s @sshole. That’s incredibly nasty and vile. This is nothing short of satanic in my opinion.

Licking a woman’s vagina has about the same appeal to a gay man.[/quote]

Is this another justification technique? I may drink a case of beer each day, but my friend drinks a 6-pack, so he is just as guilty as I.

Don’t downplay it man. Licking another man’s poop-shoot is pretty sick. I can only hope you are one of the homosexuals who has not participated in such behavior.

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
In response to your post, yes, 90,000,000 people (the predominant majority of which were Orthodox Christian). It sounds devastating and almost unreal, but realize that these people were killed in succession and not in one sweeping wave. The onslaught lasted for almost 30 years… Here’s the reference you pleaded for.

Donut62 wrote:
90 million? Great, heaping buckets of bullshit. You’re telling me that they killed 1/3 of the total population of their country? References?

TO THE VICTIMS OF COMMUNISM, LEST WE FORGET
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe
December 7, 1995

In 1993, President Clinton signed Public Law 103-199, authorizing a memorial in Washington to those who died in the unprecedented imperial Communist holocaust'' that began in 1917. It is a memorial long overdue. And it is well-suited to Washington, the capital of the Free World and the headquarters of what President Kennedy called the long twilight struggle’’ against the totalitarians of the Left. When completed, the Victims of Communism Memorial will include a museum documenting the crimes committed by the disciples of Marx and Lenin; original artifacts from the bitter night of Communist brutality (a piece of the Berlin Wall, a cell from the ``Hanoi Hilton’'); and a database preserving the names of those wiped out in history’s greatest slaughter.

Or at least as many of those names as can be identified. It is impossible that we shall ever know them all. Every one of the hundreds of thousands of Cossacks butchered on Lenin’s orders in 1919? Every Miskito Indian killed in Nicaragua under the Sandinistas? Every Chinese peasant, all 2 million-plus of them, obliterated during Mao Zedong’s ``land reform’’ in the early 1950s? Impossible.

For pure murderous evil, there has never been a force to compare with Communism. The Nazis didn’t come close. The Holocaust was uniquely malignant - never before or since did one people construct a vast industry of death for the sole purpose of rounding up and destroying every single member of another people. But the Nazis exterminated 11 million innocents; the Communist death toll surpasses 100 million. Nazi power lasted from 1933 to 1945. The Communist nightmare began in November 1917, and continues to this day.

Savagery has always been a hallmark of Communism. It is an ideology that requires the destruction of human beings. We have never rejected terror in principle,'' wrote Lenin in 1901, nor can we do so.‘’

Half a century later, even as he denounced the extremes to which his predecessors went, Nikita Khrushchev vowed that the terror so esteemed by Lenin would go on. The questioning of Stalin's terror,'' he cautioned the Twentieth Party Congress in 1956, may lead to the questioning of terror in general. But Bolshevism believes in the use of terror.‘’ Not long afterward, Khrushchev sent 3,000 Soviet tanks to crush the Hungarian freedom fighters.

Communism equals murder. Everywhere. Always.

In Ukraine, for example, where 7 million people were starved to death on the Kremlin’s orders. If you go now to the Ukraine or the North Caucuses,'' wrote British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge in 1933, exceedingly beautiful countries and formerly amongst the most fertile in the world, you will find them like a desert; . . . no livestock or horses; villages deserted; peasants famished, often their bodies swollen, unutterably wretched.‘’ Farmers who took grain or vegetables from their own land were shot. Dead bodies littered the streets of Kharkov, the capital. It was,'' an eyewitness later recalled, as if the Black Death had passed through.‘’

Communism equaled murder in Ethiopia, where Mengistu Haile Mariam became dictator in 1977 and embarked on what he called his ``Red Terror.‘’ Tens of thousands were massacred, including the graduating seniors of almost every high school in Addis Ababa.

Communism equaled murder in North Vietnam as far back as 1945, when Ho Chi Minh resolved to annihilate his Nationalist rivals. It was appalling,'' recorded the historian Lucien Bodard. Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of men had been liquidated . . … The intention was that horror and dread should extinguish the last trace of respect for them among the masses: Their execution had to be both shameful and terrifying. That was the reason for the mass executions of hundreds at once, the fields of prisoners buried alive, the harrows dragged over men buried up to the neck.‘’

Communism equaled murder in Tibet, where Mao’s campaign to extirpate Buddhist culture turned 1.2 million Tibetans into corpses. It equaled murder in gentle Cambodia, where the bloodlust of the Khmer Rouge vaporized one-third of the nation in less than four years. It equaled murder in Cuba, in East Germany, in Afghanistan. From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic - murder. In the Gulag and the laogai - murder. At Tienanmen Square - murder. In the Korean War and the Vietnam War, in the forest of Katyn and the dungeons of the Lubyanka - murder.

One hundred million victims of Communism. And those are only the victims who were slain. It doesn’t include those who were maimed or driven mad. Those whose lives went dark when a loved one was butchered. Those who spun out their years in potato queues, in vodka stupors, in daily fear. It doesn’t include those who wasted 30 years as slaves in Siberia. The boat people who flung themselves into the South China Sea. The stifled poets, the gagged priests, the tormented refuseniks, the exiled democrats.

Rarely do we think of them, or of the hundred million. We forget how pathologically evil Communism has been, or why we poured so much blood and treasure into fighting the Cold War. It is to correct that amnesia that the Victims of Communism Memorial will be built.

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And lying there, like a viper in wait, is the statement: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” There is a special place in Hell for the men who unleashed that philosophy – the philosophy of true unselfishness – upon the world. Unselfishness (not benevolence) is a cannibal-philosophy, just as you documented. I hope God does NOT have mercy on their souls.

Good post!

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I stand by that statement. And I will “discriminate” all that I can against anyone who attempts to harm my family.

Gays don’t hurt your family.[/quote]

No of course not. I did not mean to imply that they did. I was giving an example of when to discriminate and when not to.

[quote]Again, instead of viewing the issue through black and white lenses, why not acknowledge that homosexuality has both genetic and environmental factors?

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Because we don’t know for sure if there is any genetic involvement. And if there is how much it actually plays into the equation.
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"Byne, W., (1994). The Biological Evidence Challenged. Scientific American, 54.

“The incidence of homosexuality in the adopted brothers of homosexuals (11%) was much higher than recent estimates for the rate of homosexuality in the population (1 to 5%).”
“Indeed, perhaps the major finding of these heritability studies is that despite having all of their genes in common and having prenatal and postnatal environments as close to identical as possible, approximately half of the identical twins were nonetheless discordant for orientation. This finding underscores just how little is known about the origins of sexual orientation.”

And then there is this:

“Elliott, D.M., Brier, J. (1992, February). The Sexually Abused Boy: Problems in Manhood. Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality. 26 (2): 68-71.
Boys who were sexually molested have subsequently ?a higher incidence of homosexuality.”

(1995) Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us. Child Abuse and Neglect. 19: 582.
59% of male child sex offenders had been ?victim of contact sexual abuse as a child."

So who can say?

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
This is by far the most disgusting thought on this thread…Very disgusting.[/quote]

Again, I think most gay men would find licking a woman’s vagina to be similary “disgusting”. But finding something personally “disgusting” doesn’t justify bigotry and discrimination.

I would never presume to tell a straight guy that his cunnilingus disgusts me and that he should therefore become gay.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
In regard to Jeffrey Price, don’t confuse hate crimes caused by another with internal “damage”. Two different animals.
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Did you even read the article? Jeffrey Price was a gay teen that committed suicide after being pressured to change his sexual orientation and failing to do so. You have no idea what kind of damage reparative therapy can do to people.

Imagine being told by your parents and church that God wanted you to be gay, and that you MUST learn to like other guys if you want to find real happiness. Imagine spending years trying to be gay and believing that heterosexuality was a perversion, but being unable to change who you are. You can’t imagine it because you have never been pressured in that way like gays are our whole lives.

People like to point to the “success stories”, while ignoring that the vast majority of people never change their orientation, and many are severely hurt in the process.

It is because of cases like Jeffrey Price that every major medical and mental health organization says that reparative therapy can be DAMAGING and is NOT RECOMMENDED.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Instead of spamming us once again, why don’t you provide research that is actually relevant to the discussion?

You have yet to provide a single statistic showing the probability of disease when a condom and ample lubrication are used.[/quote]

You did not pay attention durig your Biology lesson. I’m only going to repeat this once. If you miss it again you will get a “zero” for the lesson.

forlifes Biology lesson:

The anus is the inch-and-a-half-long end portion of the large intestine, which opens to allow solid wastes to exit the body. Other parts of the large intestine include the colon and the rectum.

CAUTION Do Not Insert Any Item Into The Anus! As this may cause serious consequences including but not limited to anal cancer.

"Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer, which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other bodily organs. Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only 0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals.

Matters not whether you wear a condom or not…IT’S DANGEROUS!

The anal sphincter muscle is not anatomically designed to comfortably admit external objects–it is designed to relax and stretch when stimulated internally by rectal fullness from stool. The automatic reflex is for it to contract and tighten when pressure is applied externally. The risks, even with gentle insertion, are laceration of the anal tissue, and rectal mucosa, resulting in pain, bleeding, and difficulty passing stool comfortably. And leaves the person open to infection.

ANAL SEX IS DANGEROUS

There is also increased risk of spreading gastrointestinal pathogens through anal contact–whether it is bacterial infections like salmonella or E. Coli, or parasitic infections like Giardia.

You see forlife, once you tear the very tender tissue in the rectum it leaves the person open to infection. Not necessarily from the intruders penis, but from the vitims own feces!

Wear all of the condoms you want and lubricate until the sun don’t shine. You still have major problems.

Oh and in addition to the above there is this:

“Aside from the traumatic and infectious risks, there is the risk of sphincter tone (tightness) loss over time due to repeated dilation for insertive intercourse. Many receptive partners experience stool incontinence (leaking of stool or poor control) when they have anal sphincter tone decrease. This, needless to say, is very bothersome and uncomfortable and has to be surgically corrected if it becomes chronic.”

That sounds like a really sloppy painful mess. on the bright side no one will ever hear you fart. :slight_smile:

(Don’t you wish deep down that all that politically correct gay propaganda was actually true?)

[quote]forlife wrote:

National Association of Social Workers (says): [/quote]

Wahahhaahaa…(wipes tears from eyes after laughing)

I give post volumes of medical documentation which demonstrates homosexuality to be perhaps the most dangerous activity that can be performed.

And you come back with a recommendation from Social Workers…

LMAO!

[quote]forlife wrote:
Gays don’t hurt your family.

ZEB wrote:

No of course not. I did not mean to imply that they did. I was giving an example of when to discriminate and when not to.[/quote]

So by your own standard, there is no justification for bigotry and discrimination against gays. Finding happiness in a family is one of the deepest joys that people can experience in life, and gays should be free to find that happiness with people that they love.

There is strong evidence for a genetic component. The simple fact that identical twins are so much more likely than fraternal twins, which in turn are more likely than adoptive siblings to both be gay is compelling evidence for a genetic factor.

“Indeed, perhaps the major finding of these heritability studies is that despite having all of their genes in common and having prenatal and postnatal environments as close to identical as possible, approximately half of the identical twins were nonetheless discordant for orientation.”

Absolutely…there is probably an environmental component as well. It’s not a black and white, either/or reality. If you look at most aspects of human personality, both nature AND nurture come into play.

I think to be fair, we need to acknowledge that both genetic and environmental factors are involved in determining sexual orientation.

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Homosexuals cannot escape extreme health risks even in a “monogamous relationship.”

"Unhealthy Aspects of “Monogamous” Homosexual Relationships

Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed “monogamous” do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.

The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse (yuck) with greater frequency than those without a steady partner. Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.

The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most “unsafe” sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.16

Ewwww. A man licking another man’s @sshole. That’s incredibly nasty and vile. Seems the general multitude of the homosexual population is having trouble drawing the line as far as what’s filthy. If they can’t see that sticking their tongues in other people’s @ssholes is despicable, then I feel sorry for their pets. I hope they don’t kiss their families with those lips…[/quote]

Yes, but it gets even worse for the general homosexual population!

  1. They are doing this with random partners on a regular basis!

  2. After anal insertion the person that was inserted sometimes performs oral sex on the “insertee”. In other words, it is almost like licking his own anus and rectum from the inside out!

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
The only bodies of statements he continuously cites relate to POTENTIAL risks. The whole notion of being damaged by orientation adjustment therapies seems to be a hoax.

Peace be with all.

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You mean to tell me that the politically correct are actually making things up?

Well who’d a thought?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Matters not whether you wear a condom or not…IT’S DANGEROUS![/quote]

Your conclusion doesn’t flow from the evidence. The statistic fails to differentiate gays that wear a condom.

You see forlife, once you tear the very tender tissue in the rectum it leaves the person open to infection.

Again, you’re not providing any statistical data on probability of tearing and subsequent infection occurring when condoms and ample lube are used.

As I said, there is no such thing is 100% “safe sex”. That applies to both heterosexuals and homosexuals. The only guarantee of safety is abstinence.

The more relevant question is, “What is the probability of a negative health outcome, when common sense precautions are taken”?

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
ZEB wrote:

The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse (yuck) with greater frequency than those without a steady partner. Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.

This is by far the most disgusting thought on this thread. If you lump this together with forlife’s belief that high amounts of lube make anal sex safe, I am curious how injesting large amounts of lube negatively affects the body.

Very disgusting.[/quote]

Lube mixed with fecal excrements and sperm. How delightful.

I hope everyone has eaten breakfast by now. If not I apologize. But this is a nasty topic.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
And you come back with a recommendation from Social Workers…[/quote]

Maybe you missed the entire list:

American Medical Association

American Academy of Pediatrics

American Counseling Association

American Association of School Administrators

American Federation of Teachers

American Psychological Association

American Psychiatric Association

American School Health Association

Interfaith Alliance Foundation

National Association of School Psychologists

National Association of Social Workers

National Education Association

Surgeon General

World Health Organization

Every one of these major medical and mental health organizations has concluded that attempting to change one’s sexual orientation can be DAMAGING, and is NOT RECOMMENDED.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I hope everyone has eaten breakfast by now. If not I apologize. But this is a nasty topic.[/quote]

When failing to make any substantial points through logic or objective evidence, it’s a great tactic to resort to name calling.

“Gay sex is icky, yucky, and disgusting!”

Getting a little desperate, Zeb?

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
This is by far the most disgusting thought on this thread…Very disgusting.

Again, I think most gay men would find licking a woman’s vagina to be similary “disgusting”. But finding something personally “disgusting” doesn’t justify bigotry and discrimination.

I would never presume to tell a straight guy that his cunnilingus disgusts me and that he should therefore become gay.[/quote]

(Chewing gum) Yea…everything is okay…there is no such thing as “disgusting.”

The world is a wonderful place and we are all as happy as can be :slight_smile:

(skipping along)“Weeeee… la la la do dee do dee do…”

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
In regard to Jeffrey Price, don’t confuse hate crimes caused by another with internal “damage”. Two different animals.

Did you even read the article? Jeffrey Price was a gay teen that committed suicide after being pressured to change his sexual orientation …[/quote]

Um…he was also suicidal PRIOR to his reparitive sessions.

One tiny bit of information the politically correct gay folks want to leave out…

[quote]forlife wrote:
forlife wrote:
Gays don’t hurt your family.

ZEB wrote:

No of course not. I did not mean to imply that they did. I was giving an example of when to discriminate and when not to.

So by your own standard, there is no justification for bigotry and discrimination against gays. Finding happiness in a family is one of the deepest joys that people can experience in life, and gays should be free to find that happiness with people that they love.[/quote]

If you keep twisting my words I’m not going to be so gracious with you my friend!

Until we know for sure how people develop a same sex attraction I would say that it is indeed dangerous for children to be adopted by homosexuals.

As far as gays finding happiness, from everything that I have read I don’t think it’s possible. However, they can have all the tries that they want to attempt this.

It’s just not going to happen with the blessing of the state via marriage. Nor are they going to be able to adopt in any state with in five years. :wink:

However, two consenting adult men can have all the butt sex they want with each other as it’s a free country. And no one should ever impose their beliefs onto those two men. Nor should they be discriminated against because of their personal decisions.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Matters not whether you wear a condom or not…IT’S DANGEROUS!

Your conclusion doesn’t flow from the evidence. The statistic fails to differentiate gays that wear a condom.

You see forlife, once you tear the very tender tissue in the rectum it leaves the person open to infection.

Again, you’re not providing any statistical data on probability of tearing and subsequent infection occurring when condoms and ample lube are used.

As I said, there is no such thing is 100% “safe sex”. That applies to both heterosexuals and homosexuals. The only guarantee of safety is abstinence.

The more relevant question is, “What is the probability of a negative health outcome, when common sense precautions are taken”?
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See, now I have to fail you for the course! “F” for forlife!

Others can reread to determine why forlife got his “F”

(forlife thinks that placing things in his rectum is a perfectly safe practice. Below you will see why it is not. Matters not what is placed in the rectum it is still dangerous. forlife will never admit to this as it bring his practice into serious question. The rest of the world however can be enlightened.)

The anus is the inch-and-a-half-long end portion of the large intestine, which opens to allow solid wastes to exit the body. Other parts of the large intestine include the colon and the rectum.

CAUTION Do Not Insert Any Item Into The Anus! As this may cause serious consequences including but not limited to anal cancer.

"Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer, which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other bodily organs. Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only 0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals.

Matters not whether you wear a condom or not…IT’S DANGEROUS!

The anal sphincter muscle is not anatomically designed to comfortably admit external objects–it is designed to relax and stretch when stimulated internally by rectal fullness from stool. The automatic reflex is for it to contract and tighten when pressure is applied externally. The risks, even with gentle insertion, are laceration of the anal tissue, and rectal mucosa, resulting in pain, bleeding, and difficulty passing stool comfortably. And leaves the person open to infection.

ANAL SEX IS DANGEROUS

There is also increased risk of spreading gastrointestinal pathogens through anal contact–whether it is bacterial infections like salmonella or E. Coli, or parasitic infections like Giardia.

You see forlife, once you tear the very tender tissue in the rectum it leaves the person open to infection. Not necessarily from the intruders penis, but from the vitims own feces!

Wear all of the condoms you want and lubricate until the sun don’t shine. You still have major problems.

Oh and in addition to the above there is this:

“Aside from the traumatic and infectious risks, there is the risk of sphincter tone (tightness) loss over time due to repeated dilation for insertive intercourse. Many receptive partners experience stool incontinence (leaking of stool or poor control) when they have anal sphincter tone decrease. This, needless to say, is very bothersome and uncomfortable and has to be surgically corrected if it becomes chronic.”

That sounds like a really sloppy painful mess. on the bright side no one will ever hear you fart. :slight_smile:

(forlife is running around in circles near his computer with his hands over his eyes saying repeatedly "this can’t be true…this can’t be true…)

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
And you come back with a recommendation from Social Workers…

Maybe you missed the entire list:

American Medical Association

American Academy of Pediatrics

American Counseling Association

American Association of School Administrators

American Federation of Teachers

American Psychological Association

American Psychiatric Association

American School Health Association

Interfaith Alliance Foundation

National Association of School Psychologists

National Association of Social Workers

National Education Association

Surgeon General

World Health Organization

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And not ONE of your organizations have stated that homosexuality is SAFE! Or that homosexuals are healthy, happy or live as long as hetersexuals.

That speaks volumes my friend…volumes!

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I hope everyone has eaten breakfast by now. If not I apologize. But this is a nasty topic.

When failing to make any substantial points through logic or objective evidence, it’s a great tactic to resort to name calling.

“Gay sex is icky, yucky, and disgusting!”

Getting a little desperate, Zeb?[/quote]

No simply pointing out one of the very nasty acts that takes place between two homosexual men. And might I add one of the reasons why homosexual men lead the way in just about every communicable disease there is! Including AIDS!

Did you know that 64% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men?

Do you think sucking on someones anus for twenty minutes might be one of the reasons for all of the negative health statistics?

This goes well beyond sexual preference. It’s about health and survival…and you guys are blowing it! (no pun intended)

WAKE UP MY FRIEND