[quote]ZEB wrote:
Tell me, how are these people “damaged”? Were you “damaged?” I think not.
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Yes, I was, to a degree you can’t understand (and again, I am not going to give you personal details beyond that because I know you will only mock or minimalize my experience).
More importantly, every major mental health and medical organization in the world has said that trying to change one’s orientation can be damaging and is not recommended.
I don’t get it, how could this happen with such a safe practice as sticking your penis in another’s anus?
(note information is from one of YOUR GAY MAGAZINES!)
Gay Bowel Syndrome
(GBS):32 The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."33 Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause GBS are found in feces and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."34
Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.35 The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that “[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse.” Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."36 Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.37 According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men."38
"Hepatitiis Anyone?[/b]
"Hepatitis A: The Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report published by the CDC reports: "Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized world."20
Hepatitis B: This is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and death. Each year in the United States, more than 200,000 people of all ages contract hepatitis B and close to 5,000 die of sickness caused by AIDS. The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B.21
Hepatitis C is an inflammation of the liver that can cause cirrhosis, liver failure and liver cancer. The virus can lie dormant in the body for up to thirty years before flaring up. Although less so than with hepatitis A and B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk for contracting hepatitis C.22"
Homosexuals cannot escape extreme health risks even in a “monogamous relationship.”
"Unhealthy Aspects of “Monogamous” Homosexual Relationships
Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed “monogamous” do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.
The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse (yuck) with greater frequency than those without a steady partner. Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.
The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most “unsafe” sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.16
Note that one of the studies was from a gay magazine.
It seems that homosexuals are very promiscuious!
Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime: A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.9 In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.10 A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime.
The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.11 In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that “few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.”
Promiscuous and also not very bright!
Do we need look any further to realize exactly why there is an AIDS epidemic?
"Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners
A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International AIDS Conference in Durban, South Africa disclosed that a significant number of homosexual and bisexual men with HIV "continue to engage in unprotected sex with people who have no idea they could be contracting HIV."4 Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco found that thirty-six percent of homosexuals engaging in unprotected oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they were HIV positive to casual sex partners.5 A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals reporting having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners. Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV serostatus of their partners.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I stand by that statement. And I will “discriminate” all that I can against anyone who attempts to harm my family.[/quote]
Gays don’t hurt your family.
[quote]For the third time (you either don’t pay attention, or you simply lie when you feel like it) I stated that "there is no “conclusive proof” that homosexuality is genetic!
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More correctly, there is no conclusive proof that homosexuality is SOLELY genetic. There is actually a great deal of proof that homosexuality has a genetic component (see all the studies I provided earlier). In addition, there is evidence that homosexuality has an environmental component (see the studies you provided earlier).
Again, instead of viewing the issue through black and white lenses, why not acknowledge that homosexuality has both genetic and environmental factors?
Instead of spamming us once again, why don’t you provide research that is actually relevant to the discussion?
You have yet to provide a single statistic showing the probability of disease when a condom and ample lubrication are used.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Tell me, how are these people “damaged”? Were you “damaged?” I think not.
Yes, I was, to a degree you can’t understand (and again, I am not going to give you personal details beyond that because I know you will only mock or minimalize my experience).[/quote]
Name one time where I ever did such a thing.
You have to learn to trust me. 
I’m your friend and I’m only trying to help you.
Now tell Zeb all about how you were damaged.
(pulls out a chair and motions for him to sit down)
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Name one time where I ever did such a thing.
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Remember when I first entered this discussion and told you through PMs and here on the board about some of my experiences? You minimalized what I shared with you, stated that I had not tried hard enough (despite 20 years of therapy and absolute faithfulness), and judged me for choosing to divorce.
Thanks, but I’m not going to make that mistake again.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Can you provide examples people who were damaged?
Me (and no, I’m not going to provide you with the personal details).
But don’t take my word for it. Every major medical and mental health organization has said that trying to change your orientation can be damaging and is not recommended.[/quote]
Without any specifics it is impossible for me to understand what you mean by damaged? If you told me your penis shriveled up and fell off, I could understand how that would be damaging.
But seriously, damaging could mean any number of things. If you throw that statement around as much as you do, you should be prepared to describe how and give examples. Otherwise, the last 45 pages which you have claimed “damaging” are without merrit.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
My main beef was the statistic that 90 million people were killed BECAUSE they were orthodox christians was bullshit, and the article ZEB found and you just posted proved my point. The people were killed because they weren’t communists.
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Do you have any idea about how Russian Communism was established and how the Bolsheviks were empowered? The state religion was officially atheism but Judaism was discreetly exalted. International Zionists secretly deliberated hand-in-hand with Stalin, Lenin, and Trotsky, in seeking to wipe out all forms of Christian religions within the USSR (Orthodox Christianity being the predominant Christian sect therein).
JOSEPH STALIN
January 12, 1931
“Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death.”
WINSTON CHURCHILL 20th century British politician. In 1920, he wrote a long newspaper article of the recent Bolshevik seizure of Russia. After praising what he called the “national Jews” of Russia, he said:
“In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders… In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many nonJews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. ("Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People.” ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, London, February 8, 1920.)
Imagine if any leaders spoke these words today. They’d be labeled as anti-semites… But a brave Winston Churchill accurately described the world affairs and politics of his time. Deny it all you want, but Christians were forbidden to worship, their churches were burned, many were tortured, and some 90,000,000 of them slain because they were classified as anti-semites for maintaining their confessions of Jesus Christ from 1917-1945 in the USSR.
HILAIRE BELLOC, renown historian in G. K.'s WEEKLY, February 4, 1937
“The propaganda of Communism throughout the world, in organization and direction is in the hands of Jewish agents. As for anyone who does not know that the Bolshevist movement in Russia is Jewish, I can only say that he must be a man who is taken in by the suppression of our deplorable press.”
Can you say religious persecution and genocide conveniently giftwrapped as mere politics? Before you speak on the matter, know what you’re talking about! The Red Revolution and the Christian genocide that followed was fueled by Jews who sought to slaughter as many Christians as possible living in the USSR. If you’re still not convinced, start a new thread so I can provide further insight.
Peace be with you.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
If you throw that statement around as much as you do, you should be prepared to describe how and give examples. Otherwise, the last 45 pages which you have claimed “damaging” are without merrit.[/quote]
Several leading medical and mental health organizations developed and endorsed “Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel” in 1999. According to that document:
National Association of Social Workers:
If you want a personal example, Jeffrey Price was a gay teen that committed suicide after failing to change his orientation through reparative therapy:
[quote]His battle, involving his sexuality and his depression led to two suicide attempts, five stays at psychiatric wards and a constant feeling he let his father down. Just when Jeff seemed to find some comfort within, his life was ended in May 2004 by what police call an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound to the face.
Although the existence of a “gay gene” is a battle still fought between the religious, the political, the scientific and the homosexual, many researchers and gay people believe they are born gay. Jeff’s mother believes so too. She said her son was gay, even if he tried to date girls. She feels his failure to convert to heterosexuality only compounded his depression.
For all of the spiritual guidance that the church brought to Jeff, his inability to convert to a heterosexual lifestyle was to him just another form of failure, his family said.
“Please understand why I chose to die,” he wrote. "I have suffered way too much. I would have suffered the rest of my life, so I had no choice at all … No matter what, no one could have helped. I was still gay and no one could change it."[/quote]
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Peace be with you.
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To tell you the truth Steller, I am a little surprised that anyone here would try to compare the suffering of homosexuals to the suffering of Christians. In the early days of Christianity, the Romans did everything they could to snuff it out. Yet, by the grace of God, Christianity grew.
Your knowledge and insight is appreciated.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Homosexuals cannot escape extreme health risks even in a “monogamous relationship.”
"Unhealthy Aspects of “Monogamous” Homosexual Relationships
Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed “monogamous” do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.
The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse (yuck) with greater frequency than those without a steady partner. Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.
The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most “unsafe” sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.16
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Ewwww. A man licking another man’s @sshole. That’s incredibly nasty and vile. This is nothing short of satanic in my opinion. I can’t help but relate such vile acts to other forms of immorality. Seems the general multitude of the homosexual population is having trouble drawing the line as far as what’s filthy. If they can’t see that sticking their tongues in other people’s @ssholes is despicable, then I feel sorry for their pets. I hope they don’t kiss their families with those lips…
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Without any specifics it is impossible for me to understand what you mean by damaged? If you told me your penis shriveled up and fell off, I could understand how that would be damaging.[/quote]
LOL. That was a funny hypothetical.
The only bodies of statements he continuously cites relate to POTENTIAL risks. The whole notion of being damaged by orientation adjustment therapies seems to be a hoax.
Peace be with all.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Ewwww. A man licking another man’s @sshole. That’s incredibly nasty and vile. This is nothing short of satanic in my opinion.[/quote]
Licking a woman’s vagina has about the same appeal to a gay man.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
The whole notion of being damaged by orientation adjustment therapies seems to be a hoax.
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That’s right, every major medical and mental health organization in the world is just trying to pass a hoax. Why don’t you go tell that to the parents of Jeffrey Price?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse (yuck) with greater frequency than those without a steady partner. Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.
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This is by far the most disgusting thought on this thread. If you lump this together with forlife’s belief that high amounts of lube make anal sex safe, I am curious how injesting large amounts of lube negatively affects the body.
Very disgusting.
[quote]forlife wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
The whole notion of being damaged by orientation adjustment therapies seems to be a hoax.
That’s right, every major medical and mental health organization in the world is just trying to pass a hoax. Why don’t you go tell that to the parents of Jeffrey Price?[/quote]
Again, please provide specific examples of what constitutes “damaging” to prove the point. If you don’t have examples, then admit the point is baseless. If you don’t, then you are as guilty of lying as those you claim are liars.
In regard to Jeffrey Price, don’t confuse hate crimes caused by another with internal “damage”. Two different animals.