Brokeback Propaganda

Except for your drivel in the post following the one I’ve quoted above, I’d probably be on my way.

However, did you actually read what Zeb posted at all. They were not trying to repeal the ban on adult/child sex, they were just trying to have it realized that adult/child sex does not require a special punishment if the sex involved was gay.

There is a difference. However, I can see how political or religious motivation would cause you to misrepresent the issues involved in support of your viewpoint.

I see that Zeb is back to his regular practice of totally ignoring posts of mine that challenge his misportrayals and flawed research. Could it be that Zeb is afraid of subjecting the best of his “studies” to closer scrutiny?

[quote]I obviously don’t have the time to debunk every one of the poorly designed or misquoted studies that Zeb is fond of quoting. However, I have a propostion for you.

Pick out the single most compelling study in your list. I don’t care what it is…just take your best shot.

I’m willing to look at it, and explain to you either why the study itself is flawed, or how you are misquoting it. But only on one condition.

You must, in return, agree to actually address my points. In the past, when I’ve taken the time to do this, Zeb has literally ignored my entire post and pretended it didn’t exist.

If I’m going to take the time to show you why Zeb’s “evidence” isn’t accepted by the major medical and mental health organizations, the least you can do is actually consider and address the reasons I present.

Deal? [/quote]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Aw shoot, I wasn’t following along very closely.

I don’t exactly believe your stats, but I’m not going to put in the work to try to refute them or clarify their meaning.[/quote]

vroom,

I don’t blame you bro, I wouldn’t have believed it either.

Check it out for yourself on the CDC website:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/PUBS/Facts/msm.htm

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
vroom wrote:
Aw shoot, I wasn’t following along very closely.

I don’t exactly believe your stats, but I’m not going to put in the work to try to refute them or clarify their meaning.

ZEB, this is really an apology masked in disguise. Kudos to you for educating the masses on a serious issue. I guess this is the liberal’s way of thanking you without them hurting the feelings of the minority. It seems the liberals have mastered a soft, slow dance until you mention religion which is when they stomp out full force and into the mosh pits…

Good work and peace be with you.
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Thanks stellar,

I know some of this stuff seems harsh. But how else to counter a good 25 years of complete deception?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Being black IS NOT CONTROLABLE.

Being gay IS CONTROLABLE.

RIGHT YOU ARE!

I have posted about 70 studies which demonstrate that people can change if the want to.

forlife didn’t so he seeks to undermind all of those who have left the homosexual lifestyle.

And in addition to this, no one is forecd to act on a homosexual urge. Sex is a behavior we all know this!

And of course it has never been proven to be genetic. And in fact there are many quality studies which demonstrate that it is more “nuture” than “nature.”

Don’t buy into the lies of the politically correct-

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It is amazing to me how anyone can not see the difference between being born with black skin color and makeing the choice to stick your penis in someone else’s bottom. Call me weird.

[quote]forlife wrote:
I see that Zeb is back to his regular practice of totally ignoring posts of mine that challenge his misportrayals and flawed research. Could it be that Zeb is afraid of subjecting the best of his “studies” to closer scrutiny?
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No, you see…you have to be less cavalier and more sincere with your criticism.

It’s cute to keep saying that I am misportraying everything. However it is quite another matter to actually delve into what I have posted and give a reasonable response.

Here you go:

Now some facts for the readers:

"(March 1992). Editorial, No Place for Homo-Homophobia, S.F. Sentinel (on file with author.)

"Leading mainstream homosexual newspapers and magazines such as the Advocate, Edge, Metroline, The Guide, and The San Francisco Sentinel have not only published pro-NAMBLA articles and columns but also many have editorialized in favor of NAMBLA and sex with children. The editor of The Guide, Ed Hougen, stated in an interview with Lambda Report, “I believe they [NAMBLA] are generally interested in the right of young people to be sexual?.I am glad there is a group like NAMBLA that is willing to be courageous.” The San Francisco Sentinel was more blunt: “NAMBLA’s position on sex is not unreasonable, just unpopular. [W]hen a 14-year-old gay boy approaches a man for sex, it’s because he wants sex with a man.”

AND

"(July 1999). The Real Child Abuse, The Guide, (on file with author).
“In 1995, the homosexual magazine Guide stated: 'We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual, that they deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose?[w]e must listen to our prophets. Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality?.We must do it for the children’s sake.”

AS FOR CHILD MOLESTATION BY HOMOSEXUALS:

"Abel, Eugene et al, Self-Reported Sex Crimes of Nonincarcerated Pedophiliacs, 2 J. Interpersonal Violence 3, 5 (1987).
“Child molestation, by comparison, was a relatively infrequent crime, occurring from an average of 23.2 times by a pedophile (non-incest) with female targets to an average of 281.7 times by a pedophile (non-incest) whose targets were males.”
“?homosexuals sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is five times greater than the molestation of girls.”

"Bell, A.P., Weinberg, M.S., Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see also Bell, Weinberg & Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).

25% of white gay men have had sex with boys 16 years old and younger."

“Jay, K., Young, A. The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979) p. 275.
?73% of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen to nineteen years of age or younger.”

Do homosexual men molest boys at a higher rate than heterosexuals because they were molested whent they were young?

"Doll, L.S., Joy, D., Batholow, B., Harrison, J., Bolan, G., Douglas, J., Saltzman, L., Moss, P., Delgado, W. (1992) Self-reported childhood and adolescent sexual abuse among adult homosexual and bisexual men. Child Abuse & Neglect. 18:825-864.
42% of a sample of 1,001 homosexual men reported childhood experiences that met the criteria for sexual abuse.

1,001 adult homosexual and bisexual men attending sexually transmitted disease clinics were interviewed regarding potentially abusive sexual contacts during childhood and adolescence. Thirty-seven percent of participants reported they had been encouraged or forced to have sexual contact before age 19 with an older or more powerful partner; Median age of the participant at first contact was 10; median age difference between partners was 11 years. Fifty-one percent involved use of force; 33% involved anal sex. 93% of participants reporting sexual contact with an older or more powerful partner were classified as sexually abused."

Is it any wonder that the Boy Scouts of America have demanded that homosexual men not take part in their this great organization?

"Geissinger, Steve. Scouts Remove 1,800 Scoutmasters for Suspected Abuse Over Two Decades, Assoc. Press, Oct. 14, 1993 (on file with author).

This unprecedented glimpse into the world of Scout pedophiles revealed that thousands of boys had been molested by Scout leaders and other volunteers between 1971 and 1991 resulting in the expulsion of over 1,800 Scout volunteers for pedophile activity. The documents show that some Scout leaders molested over forty boys before getting caught and that many, once caught, simply moved to a different Scout troop and continued abusing boys."

The above only scratches the surface relative to the data that is quite damaging involving gay men and little boys.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

That is onle ONE STUDY. Are you trying to lie to everyone?[/quote]

Actually, it was TWO STUDIES. And here are a few more:

Research study:

Another research study:

Yet another:

See this research as well:

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
It is amazing to me how anyone can not see the difference between being born with black skin color and makeing the choice to stick your penis in someone else’s bottom. Call me weird.
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Maybe it is a little closer to home if you consider YOUR disposition to stick your penis into a woman. You could as easily change that disposition as a black person could change their skin color.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s cute to keep saying that I am misportraying everything. However it is quite another matter to actually delve into what I have posted and give a reasonable response.
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I’ve offered to do just that. Take your best shot. Give me the single most convincing study that you have, and in return promise to actually consider my response instead of just ignoring it. Seems only fair to me.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Glee, as I’ve said before you really add nothing to this discussion. [/quote]

And for the third time, I’ve proven that statement diametrically wrong by your own very metric. Are we getting dizzy yet?

argumentum ad hominem

I see you’re not even trying to assail my position anymore.

I accept your surrender.

-Glee

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I hate the act, not the person. The act brings only trouble. [/quote]

Hrm… why does that sound familiar?

-Glee

[quote]terribleivan wrote:

Being black IS NOT CONTROLABLE.

Being gay IS CONTROLABLE.[/quote]

Being black is actually more controllable than being gay.

http://www.teenink.com/Past/1997/7976.html

http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

-Glee

If god was all powerful he would not allow this thread to go on. So if there is a god I beg him to let this filthy thing die.

DIE YOU STUPID FUCKING THREAD!!!

[quote]paul bunyan wrote:
If god was all powerful he would not allow this thread to go on. So if there is a god I beg him to let this filthy thing die.

DIE YOU STUPID FUCKING THREAD!!![/quote]

I’ll second that.

It’s nice that forlife can quote a few studies done by the politically correct. But in addition to all of the studies that I have already posted here is even more evidence which demonstrates that homosexual men [b]do[b] have very high incidence of child molestation.

Again, why would the Boy Scouts Of America not want homsexual men in their organization? And…might I add the courts have backed them up because the evidence was there!

Here is even more evidence which demonstrates that homosexuals are a very serious danger to boys, just at the Boy Scouts of America have clearly pointed out in my previous post:

"Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are “heterosexual” males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high rates of molestation.

Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals.

For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals ?sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.?

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:

The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., ?Adolescent Sex Offenders?Vermont, 1984? Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, ?Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,? Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. ?Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,? Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)

From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts. While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they (homosexuals) are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children."

The facts are in!

[quote]paul bunyan wrote:
So if there is a god I beg him to let this filthy thing die.
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No, you see you actually have to believe first before you pray.

This “if” business will only hurt you.

:slight_smile:

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
It is amazing to me how anyone can not see the difference between being born with black skin color and makeing the choice to stick your penis in someone else’s bottom. Call me weird.

Maybe it is a little closer to home if you consider YOUR disposition to stick your penis into a woman. You could as easily change that disposition as a black person could change their skin color.
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Race and actions are separate, my friend. I can choose my actions. I can choose not to have sex with women. I can not choose my race.

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I hate the act, not the person. The act brings only trouble.

Hrm… why does that sound familiar?

-Glee[/quote]

Hmmm…It appears to me that you are the one attacking the people and not the actions.

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:

Being black is actually more controllable than being gay.

-Glee[/quote]

I must disagree. Again, I can choose where to put my penis. I cannot choose what race I am born as.

I must say that whether or not studies are done by the politically correctis almost beside the point, surley their scientific merit is what must stand.
Also, if their discoveries have been recreated or substatiated by others.

All studies will have a bias, especially the psycho analytical bullshit that is oft quoted and social science papers that are simply weay as hell.

Until some good neuroscience is done then the jusry is still out.

Also, statistical significance is the only measure of validity, and i must say that these studies are very old.

look back far enough and you will find studies that say Jews are all thieves (which, of course, they are not).

Presentation of data and facts are 2 different things, and seriously, most psychology papers i have rd have enough holes the pass diohrreha through.