Brokeback Propaganda

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s nice that forlife can quote a few studies done by the politically correct.[/quote]

That “politically correct” drum of yours is getting a little old, Zeb. Every time I provide objective scientific evidence which proves your claims to be false, you pull out your drum and pound on it.

“They’re just being politically correct! That’s right, folks. I expect you to believe that EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD IS JUST BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT WHEN IT COMES TO HOMOSEXUALITY! Pay no attention to all the scientific studies upon which their conclusions are based! My studies are better, because they come from a truly neutral organization like NARTH.”

Lol.

Still waiting for you to accept my challenge, Zeb. With all the studies you’re fond of quoting, surely there must be ONE that you would subject to scrutiny? Do you have so little confidence in the quality of your “research”?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
No, you see you actually have to believe first before you pray.

This “if” business will only hurt you.
[/quote]

Confirmatory bias at its best. Keep fighting the good fight, brother Zeb!

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Race and actions are separate, my friend. I can choose my actions. I can choose not to have sex with women. I can not choose my race.
[/quote]

I didn’t ask whether or not you could choose to have sex with women. I asked about your DISPOSITION to do so. Your orientation is as difficult to change, as for a black man to change his skin.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Race and actions are separate, my friend. I can choose my actions. I can choose not to have sex with women. I can not choose my race.

I didn’t ask whether or not you could choose to have sex with women. I asked about your DISPOSITION to do so. Your orientation is as difficult to change, as for a black man to change his skin.[/quote]

This argument is so old and flawed. Do you know why?

Let’s say I was a serious drug addict that is now reformed. Modern medical science tells us that drug users and alcoholics frequently have a predisposed DISPOSITION to use. But, this drug addict only suffered from his drug use because he CHOSE to use.

If he never CHOSE to use, would the pre-DISPOSITION still exist? Modern medical science would say yes.

Now, modern medical science does not tell us that people have a pre-DISPOSITION for becoming black. Why? Because such a statement is foolish - it is obvious when a person is born black. It is not a CHOICE.

The only reason someone like yourself does not see the difference is because you are trying to justify your own behaviour. It is utter foolishness.

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[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I hate the act, not the person. The act brings only trouble.

Hrm… why does that sound familiar?

-Glee[/quote]

I feel the need to revisit this statement.

You may not realize it, but this thread was originally about propaganda in the Brokeback Mountain movie. After the original post, do you know how many posts it took for the liberal to change the subject to “Is gayness right or wrong”?

Here is the answer: ONE

Then, do you know what happened when the homosexuals entered the debate? They began to call names like “Hater” and “Homophobe”, changing a rational debate into and emotional one.

So, it is interesting that you would cry “Witch Hunt on Homosexuals” when homosexuals brought emotion rather than logic to the debate. Is this another attempt to discredit the opposing side with facts?

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Now, modern medical science does not tell us that people have a pre-DISPOSITION for becoming black. Why? Because such a statement is foolish - it is obvious when a person is born black. It is not a CHOICE. .[/quote]

I never suggested that people have a predisposition to be black. I stated that a person’s sexual orientation is like their skin color: IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CHOOSE. Do you see the comparison now?

You have a heterosexual orientation. You could as easily decide to start liking men as a black man could decide to be white.

I love how heterosexuals use a double standard:

"I couldn’t possibly choose to like other men!

HOWEVER

If you gay men really tried hard enough, you could choose to like women just like I do!"

Lol.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
So, it is interesting that you would cry “Witch Hunt on Homosexuals” when homosexuals brought emotion rather than logic to the debate. Is this another attempt to discredit the opposing side with facts?[/quote]

I don’t depend on emotion to make my points. In my view, it is the fundamentalists that try to create emotion (disgust, judgment, and disdain of homosexuals) by making incendiary claims (e.g., GAYS ARE PEDOPHILES!), misquoting research, and presenting studies that are outright flawed.

My challenge still stands. If you’re so certain that you have objective evidence to support your religious agenda, step up to the plate. Give me your single best scientific study, and I’ll show you why the major medical and mental health organizations disagree with you.

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How the hell would the guy know what the movie is portraying if he “never watched it and, doesn’t plan to watch it.”

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
So, it is interesting that you would cry “Witch Hunt on Homosexuals” when homosexuals brought emotion rather than logic to the debate. Is this another attempt to discredit the opposing side with facts?

I don’t depend on emotion to make my points. In my view, it is the fundamentalists that try to create emotion (disgust, judgment, and disdain of homosexuals) by making incendiary claims (e.g., GAYS ARE PEDOPHILES!), misquoting research, and presenting studies that are outright flawed.

My challenge still stands. If you’re so certain that you have objective evidence to support your religious agenda, step up to the plate. Give me your single best scientific study, and I’ll show you why the major medical and mental health organizations disagree with you.[/quote]

There has been so much evidence presented in this thread and the gay marriage thread that providing more would only duplicate what has been said.

And, you are again thinking I created the study (as evidence by your last statement). I haven’t created anything. I just use the knowledge of credible sources.

In regard to your first paragraph, you are again doing the namecalling. It is suble, but the astute reader will catch it.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Now, modern medical science does not tell us that people have a pre-DISPOSITION for becoming black. Why? Because such a statement is foolish - it is obvious when a person is born black. It is not a CHOICE. .

I never suggested that people have a predisposition to be black. I stated that a person’s sexual orientation is like their skin color: IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CHOOSE. Do you see the comparison now?

You have a heterosexual orientation. You could as easily decide to start liking men as a black man could decide to be white.

I love how heterosexuals use a double standard:

"I couldn’t possibly choose to like other men!

HOWEVER

If you gay men really tried hard enough, you could choose to like women just like I do!"

Lol.
[/quote]

So you don’t recall putting DISPOSITION in all capital letters? Your memory is slipping. You should review your post.

And, you still belabor this point. Have you noticed yet that no about of trying will change the race a person is born into? But, if I try to not put my penis into another man, I at least have the chance of not doing it.

BEING BORN A CERTAIN RACE CAN NOT CHANGE.

PUTTING MY PENIS IN ANOTHER MAN ONLY HAPPENS IF I MAKE IT HAPPEN.

You can try to talk around it until you are blue in the face, but it is a fact that will not change.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

I didn’t ask whether or not you could choose to have sex with women. I asked about your DISPOSITION to do so. Your orientation is as difficult to change, as for a black man to change his skin.[/quote]

Just wanted to remind you what you wrote, forlife.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
My studies are better, because they come from a truly neutral organization like NARTH."[/quote]

Actually forlife you are being very deceptive right now. Almost like you are stretching the truth to make your argument look better.

Out of all of the studies that I posted regarding homosexual men and molestation I think only one is directly from NARTH, not that there is anything wrong with that.

The rest I am proud to say are from very credible authors and I even have a couple from Gay Magazines. Some of which readily admit the truth.

It also seems that you have offered only a handful of studies from the politically correct. I have given you posted at least 5 studies to your one. And as I stated all from very credible sources.

Why is it so difficult to admit that some homosexual men are attracted to young males? How many times do we see heterosexual men attracted to young girls?

It’s wrong but it happens.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
No, you see you actually have to believe first before you pray.

This “if” business will only hurt you.

Confirmatory bias at its best. Keep fighting the good fight, brother Zeb![/quote]

I will!

And I advise you to stop running…turn and fight the good fight. Instead of what you are currently involved in.

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forlife:

You are the one who distinguished behavior from orientation on this very thread.

Now that does not serve your purpose so well when it comes to attempting to compare gays to blacks relative to discrimination.

You said that “behavior is not orientation.” That would mean that you can control your behavior. Blacks can’t control their skin color.

It’s funny sitting back and watching you squirm and attempt to change positions under terriblevian’s charges!

Nice Job terriblevian. However, you had to know that he would never fess up to it.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
There has been so much evidence presented in this thread and the gay marriage thread that providing more would only duplicate what has been said.
[/quote]

No, what you’ve done is dump a few tons of manure in the front yard and told people there is a pearl hidden somewhere inside if they will only dig through it.

Give me your SINGLE MOST COMPELLING SCIENTIFIC STUDY. I’m not telling you what to pick. I’m leaving it in your hands, so you can’t accuse me of being biased. Take your best shot. Let’s see how your “research” really stacks up to accepted scientific standards.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
So, it is interesting that you would cry “Witch Hunt on Homosexuals” when homosexuals brought emotion rather than logic to the debate. Is this another attempt to discredit the opposing side with facts?

I don’t depend on emotion to make my points. [/quote]

Funny Stuff Brokeback thread fans! :slight_smile:

All he did several posts ago was rant and rave, calling people “homophobes” and “liars.” Ha ha…(shaking head) He threw a real hissy fit.

LOL

Fundamentalists? Oh you mean those of us who believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. And he came to this earth to die for our sins if we only accept his great sacrifice and turn from sin.

Yes…it’s really bad stuff huh?

Much better to get it on with the mailman and feel freeeee…“weee la la la la everything is sooooo wonderful…”

LOL…You’re killing me…(in a good way:)

There are more gays percentage wise who are involved in the molesting of boys than heterosexuals. I know you don’t like that but it’s true. Now all you have to do is live with it!

More misleading statements to pump up your side.

Please cite all of the studies that I have posted which are flawed. You have not done that yet, but you sure have posted that they were wrong.

So where’s your proof? I know it’s the Internet and all, but why don’t you actually show me which studies are flawed. If you do I won’t post them anymore. And I have made this request in prior posts. All you do is type your charges and move on. You never show me which studies are flawed.

All you have to do is simply sift through the hundreds of studies that I have posted on the topic. Settle on a few of them and go to town!

OH…I guess it is easier for you to sit there and make stuff up…

But we are all watching and we know you by now.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
BEING BORN A CERTAIN RACE CAN NOT CHANGE.

PUTTING MY PENIS IN ANOTHER MAN ONLY HAPPENS IF I MAKE IT HAPPEN.[/quote]

We’re talking about ORIENTATION, not BEHAVIOR.

You can’t choose to be attracted to men, because your ORIENTATION is heterosexual.

A black man chan’t choose to be white, because his SKIN COLOR is black.

ORIENTATION IS THEREFORE COMPARABLE TO SKIN COLOR.

Is that clear enough for you?

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terribleivan wrote:

You may not realize it, but this thread was originally about propaganda in the Brokeback Mountain movie. After the original post, do you know how many posts it took for the liberal to change the subject to “Is gayness right or wrong”?

Here is the answer: ONE

Then, do you know what happened when the homosexuals entered the debate? They began to call names like “Hater” and “Homophobe”, changing a rational debate into and emotional one.

So, it is interesting that you would cry “Witch Hunt on Homosexuals” when homosexuals brought emotion rather than logic to the debate. Is this another attempt to discredit the opposing side with facts?

YEP

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Out of all of the studies that I posted…[/quote]

If you really believe your studies can withstand scientific scrutiny, give me your BEST STUDY and let’s see how it fares.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Just wanted to remind you what you wrote, forlife.[/quote]

See above. Sexual orientation is not the same as sexual behavior.