Brokeback Propaganda

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Okay, I’ll give us all one more thing to bicker about:

Isn’t it true that if these two man-loving cowboys lived in a society which was openly accepting of their suxuality, they wouldn’t have gotten into their failed marriages in the first place and they wouldn’t have had children? I think that’s the point of this movie. They had to live these double lives, which certainly ended up doing harm to their spouses and children, because being open about their lifestyle was not an option.

And also, isn’t it true that whenever a politician is busted for gay porn or something like that, its always some super-conservative fuck who opposes gay marriage and wants prayer in schools, and all that crap? Hmm… Its almost like a society which strictly forbids normal human impulses (and yes, if you ask a gay guy, its a normal impulse to want to poke another guy), only causes those same impulses to be acted upon in unhealthy ways…

So yes, lets make sure we persecute any homosexual tendencies at an early age, so that all the guys with those tendencies will get the picture and join the clergy, so they can take out their sexual frustrations on little boys.

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[quote]swordthrower wrote:
Okay, I’ll give us all one more thing to bicker about:

Isn’t it true that if these two man-loving cowboys lived in a society which was openly accepting of their suxuality, they wouldn’t have gotten into their failed marriages in the first place and they wouldn’t have had children? I think that’s the point of this movie. They had to live these double lives, which certainly ended up doing harm to their spouses and children, because being open about their lifestyle was not an option.

And also, isn’t it true that whenever a politician is busted for gay porn or something like that, its always some super-conservative fuck who opposes gay marriage and wants prayer in schools, and all that crap? Hmm… Its almost like a society which strictly forbids normal human impulses (and yes, if you ask a gay guy, its a normal impulse to want to poke another guy), only causes those same impulses to be acted upon in unhealthy ways…

So yes, lets make sure we persecute any homosexual tendencies at an early age, so that all the guys with those tendencies will get the picture and join the clergy, so they can take out their sexual frustrations on little boys.[/quote]

You’re oversimplfying the issue a great deal, but it is hilarious that people here keep pointing to how this film depicts marriage as unenjoyable. Hey, guess what, THE GUYS IN THE MOVIE ARE GAY! The fact that straight marriage is unenjoyable for gay men is hardly controversial.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
bears wrote:
“To even talk rationally about a film like this will endanger one of causing immediate knee-jerk reactions with slogans; “homophobe”, “bigot”, “narrow minded”, etc.”

the next reponse on thread

"RIGHT! KILL THE GAYS! THEY WANT US TO BE GAY LIKE THEM! BOOO! EVIL GAYS!

WE FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!

C’mon dude. This is pathetic. "

Hey, first of all, I react to very ignorant things with sarcasm. Thats my nature.

Second, I saw a chance to quote Monty Python. So I took it.

Third, the article is ridiculous and ignorant. So maybe “knee- jerk” is the wrong word to use.
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What is ridiculous and ignorant about it? And don’t give me some smart ass answer. You made the statement, now back it up!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
Because you haven’t read my earlier posts. You need to backtrack sir. I’m concerned about the content because sentiment-driven people are applauding the homosexual characters in the film despite the fact that they were cheaters, liars, and dead-beat dads.

Have you heard of Pulp Fiction? Was any character in that movie just a really great “moral” person? It sparked much hype from Samual L’s performance and bible scripture reading to the “violation” of Bruce Willis and Ving Rhames. Guess what, it was just a movie. I am amazed that you feel this is signaling the end of the world because a movie about two gay guys got an award. Since when does anyone really care about the Oscars? I would watch the MTV movie awards before I watch the Oscars.[/quote]

Yeah, two chicks have never hooked up at the Oscars. Oh, wait-that must have been lesbian propaganda and the first step of their grand plan to take over the country.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
sovereign wrote:
Bigflamer, God also brought free will and temptation into the world, if you chose to buy into it. We all have challenges to overcome, it is clear of that in the scriptures. They are different from person to person, God also knows that some may not overcome them.

Yet he has put us here, on this earth, to learn from those challenges and to allow aour souls to develop. If god knows which of us will not overcome these challenges, then god knows which of us will be damned to hell?. Do you believe in a god that creates souls for the purpose of damnation to hell?

My god doesn’t, my god has a plan for us all. My god is all knowing and all loving, forgiving, and has a purpose for EVERYTHING. Even the shitty stuff. My god wouldn’t put a soul on earth, knowing that he would “choose” to be gay, and then damn them to hell for it. Does anyone want to believe in a god that would throw a homosexual in a fiery pit of hell for living a life god KNEW he would lead?

I don’t.

He doesn’t make mistakes, but you also can’t take a back seat and expect to meet your maker on good terms.

I believe that we serve god’s will constantly and most of the time without conciousness of it. I believe that whatever happens, happens for a reason. And that God wanted it too happen.

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It’s good to hear logic from a christian. It reminds me that most christians aren’t moronic douche bags like Pat Robertson.

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I didn’t read ALL of the starting post, and I have a general idea where it’s going.

A few years back, you had to be in the closet. Now, they want to make it seem “OK” or fun. THey almost make it seem like in order to be hip you have to have at least one gay friend.

Stereotypes? Sure straight men put a few stereotypes out there, but what abouot the one the gay community put out? Great designers, great fashion sense, etc. Paton leather platform booths, daisy dukes, and a cowboy hat are not stylish.

As a Christian, it’s an abomination. it goes against God and goes against His creation and purpose.

Why do they need their own flag? Stars & stripes ain’t good enough?

Why do they need their own history month (june)? Why do they need a parade?

Is there a straight history month? George Washington loved to nail Martha doggy style before meetings.

Is there a straight pride parade? I like black chicks with large hooters. Where is my flag? Where is my parade? Where is my history month?

If you are a fag, great. Congratulations. Don’t make a fuss about it. Don’t have a (coming out) party. My son likes boobs, where is his party?

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
I didn’t read ALL of the starting post, and I have a general idea where it’s going.

A few years back, you had to be in the closet. Now, they want to make it seem “OK” or fun. THey almost make it seem like in order to be hip you have to have at least one gay friend.

Stereotypes? Sure straight men put a few stereotypes out there, but what abouot the one the gay community put out? Great designers, great fashion sense, etc. Paton leather platform booths, daisy dukes, and a cowboy hat are not stylish.

As a Christian, it’s an abomination. it goes against God and goes against His creation and purpose.

Why do they need their own flag? Stars & stripes ain’t good enough?

Why do they need their own history month (june)? Why do they need a parade?

Is there a straight history month? George Washington loved to nail Martha doggy style before meetings.

Is there a straight pride parade? I like black chicks with large hooters. Where is my flag? Where is my parade? Where is my history month?

If you are a fag, great. Congratulations. Don’t make a fuss about it. Don’t have a (coming out) party. My son likes boobs, where is his party?

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The real question is, why do you care? It almost sounds like you’re jealous. “why do they get this, why do they get that”. Let’s go through your list.

“Why do they need their own flag?”

You’re free to make your own flag. Make a straight flag. No one will stop you.

“Why do they need a parade?”

Anyone can file with their city to have a parade. You should do it. Make it a straight parade. Go ahead, no one will stop you from filing.

“If you are a fag, great. Congratulations. Don’t make a fuss about it. Don’t have a (coming out) party. My son likes boobs, where is his party?”

Why is a grown man telling other people what parties they should and shouldn’t have over the internet. A few years back my friend had a bachelor’s party. My friends and I galavanted all across town making a big production of how straight we were, looking (and touching!) naked women and the like. We made a big celebration of it. Are you mad at us for having a big party based on liking ass and tits? You want to know where your son’s party is? It’s waiting on you! You’re his father! Throw your son a party! No one will stop you! Seriously, what are you talking about?

Feel better now?

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[quote]Why do they need their own flag? Stars & stripes ain’t good enough?

Why do they need their own history month (june)? Why do they need a parade? [/quote]

I don’t really want to be put into the position of defending gay people, but perhaps the answer to your question is ongoing persecution.

If you are a minority group that is persecuted by the majority, who’s had to live a dual or hidden life, who’s been afraid to admit the truth of your feelings to anyone, then perhaps you might want to be able to openly celebrate your existance.

If you, and I’m not talking about you specifically Tony, are religious, then you need to live by the tenents of your religion. However, your religion and your values are not necessarily appropriate for other religions or other people.

Now, in general, this has to be one of the most stupid threads I’ve seen on T-Nation in a long long time. I guess every time there is a movie about any topic someone disagrees with we can all proclaim propaganda?

At some point, some of you are going to have to let go and accept the fact that you can’t make up other peoples minds for them. Other people are going to have different opinions than you and that is just too fucking bad.

Live your life by your ideals and let other people live by theirs. Sigh. And for the true nitwits, of course I mean within the law, so don’t be absolutely stupid and twist my statements into something they are not.

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I refuse to watch this abortion of a film for the following reasons:

  1. There are no cyborgs in it;

  2. There is no big tittied eye-candy in it;

  3. I haven’t heard anything about the heavy-metal inspired sound track;

  4. I haven’t seen any spaceships explode in the previews; and

  5. There are no aliens trying to eliminate mankind in this movie.

Those are my basic rules for seeing a movie, with a few exceptions.

Stellar - Does this mean that every movie I do watch is propoganda for when the cyborg master-race invades Earth? Or that I should only listen to heavy metal while avoiding the cops in a high speed car chase?

I’ll be buggered. (Oh shit! That must be the gay propoganda at work. It’s started. Help!)

SH, you are the only guy on this site who can make JustTheFacts seem reasonable.

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[quote]Fat Tony wrote:
I didn’t read ALL of the starting post, and I have a general idea where it’s going.

A few years back, you had to be in the closet. Now, they want to make it seem “OK” or fun. THey almost make it seem like in order to be hip you have to have at least one gay friend.

Stereotypes? Sure straight men put a few stereotypes out there, but what abouot the one the gay community put out? Great designers, great fashion sense, etc. Paton leather platform booths, daisy dukes, and a cowboy hat are not stylish.

As a Christian, it’s an abomination. it goes against God and goes against His creation and purpose.

Why do they need their own flag? Stars & stripes ain’t good enough?

Why do they need their own history month (june)? Why do they need a parade?

Is there a straight history month? George Washington loved to nail Martha doggy style before meetings.

Is there a straight pride parade? I like black chicks with large hooters. Where is my flag? Where is my parade? Where is my history month?

If you are a fag, great. Congratulations. Don’t make a fuss about it. Don’t have a (coming out) party. My son likes boobs, where is his party?

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You’re right, Tony.

Fags suck.

You know who else sucks? Disgusting, obese, gelatinous whales.

I mean, as a fitness enthusiast, it’s an abomination. I see these fatties out there at McDonald’s, flaunting their lifestyle in my face and it just makes me sick.

And, don’t even get me started on ex-cons.

People in glass houses should shut the fuck up.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
bears wrote:
“To even talk rationally about a film like this will endanger one of causing immediate knee-jerk reactions with slogans; “homophobe”, “bigot”, “narrow minded”, etc.”

the next reponse on thread

"RIGHT! KILL THE GAYS! THEY WANT US TO BE GAY LIKE THEM! BOOO! EVIL GAYS!

WE FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!

C’mon dude. This is pathetic. "

Hey, first of all, I react to very ignorant things with sarcasm. Thats my nature.

Second, I saw a chance to quote Monty Python. So I took it.

Third, the article is ridiculous and ignorant. So maybe “knee- jerk” is the wrong word to use.

What is ridiculous and ignorant about it? And don’t give me some smart ass answer. You made the statement, now back it up!
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I backed it up. Read my other post. When an initial post is ridiculous, don’t expect my answer to be serious.

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Look, this post will be the 111th and this thread has been viewed 1696 times so far. My primary reason for posting was to help spread the message that Brokeback Mountain is loaded with propaganda as Dr. Winfield asserts. I think I’ve increased people’s awareness about the issue at hand. Despite agreeing to disagree whether homosexuality is right or wrong, my mission was accomplished.

Thanks to all the posters who courteously shed their intellectual perspectives on the matter.

And at the risk of sounding trite, peace be with all! (except you Professor X)

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Look, this post will be the 111th and this thread has been viewed 1696 times so far. My primary reason for posting was to help spread the message that Brokeback Mountain is loaded with propaganda as Dr. Winfield asserts. I think I’ve increased people’s awareness about the issue at hand. Despite agreeing to disagree whether homosexuality is right or wrong, my mission was accomplished.

Thanks to all the posters who courteously shed their intellectual perspectives on the matter.

And at the risk of sounding trite, peace be with all! (except you Professor X)[/quote]

You don’t sound trite; you sound like a two-bit asshole.

Now, for the fourteenth time: who is this Winfield character? Where did he receive his title, and where was this article published?

If you cannot or will not provide this information, then kindly shut the fuck up.

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Hmm, now what really sounds like propaganda around here?

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Look, this post will be the 111th and this thread has been viewed 1696 times so far. My primary reason for posting was to help spread the message that Brokeback Mountain is loaded with propaganda as Dr. Winfield asserts. I think I’ve increased people’s awareness about the issue at hand. Despite agreeing to disagree whether homosexuality is right or wrong, my mission was accomplished.

Thanks to all the posters who courteously shed their intellectual perspectives on the matter.

And at the risk of sounding trite, peace be with all! (except you Professor X)[/quote]

HA! That’s precious!

So let me get this straight: You posted an article by some crack-pot “doctor” (who has no credentials) about some ridiculous conspiracy to turn us all gay and make us hate our wives and children, and then you go ahead and pat yourself on the back for “increasing people’s awareness”!?!

Yes, I guess we all owe you a heartfelt “thank you” for bringing this important issue to our attention.

And while we are at it, I just wanted to warn you all about the new propaganda film “Big Momma’s House 2,” which encourages young African-American men to dress as fat ladies. If you don’t see the conspiracy, then you are blind to Hollywood’s attempt to turn us all into large black women.

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[quote]swordthrower wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
Look, this post will be the 111th and this thread has been viewed 1696 times so far. My primary reason for posting was to help spread the message that Brokeback Mountain is loaded with propaganda as Dr. Winfield asserts. I think I’ve increased people’s awareness about the issue at hand. Despite agreeing to disagree whether homosexuality is right or wrong, my mission was accomplished.

Thanks to all the posters who courteously shed their intellectual perspectives on the matter.

And at the risk of sounding trite, peace be with all! (except you Professor X)

HA! That’s precious!

So let me get this straight: You posted an article by some crack-pot “doctor” (who has no credentials) about some ridiculous conspiracy to turn us all gay and make us hate our wives and children, and then you go ahead and pat yourself on the back for “increasing people’s awareness”!?!

Yes, I guess we all owe you a heartfelt “thank you” for bringing this important issue to our attention.

And while we are at it, I just wanted to warn you all about the new propaganda film “Big Momma’s House 2,” which encourages young African-American men to dress as fat ladies. If you don’t see the conspiracy, then you are blind to Hollywood’s attempt to turn us all into large black women.[/quote]

What!!? I bought 18 pounds of fried chicken, a sun dress and a wig for nothing!!!?

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[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
miniross wrote:
Stellar Horizon is here again with the literal bible nonsense…

I watched highway to heaven. Damn that properganda…goerbals would be impressed.

I wonder when a film grosses little more than 500k on the first weekend such controversy is created. Not many have watched it, i am sure.

Also, when someone watches a film, it is a critique. Sounds like he is a strangled filmo.

I am always impressed by your eloquence, which is way beyond mine. In another time you may have put your efforts to better use and discovered a cure for cancer with your intellect.

If someone does watch the film, then they must surley be aware of its content by now. As such, they may show discresion, and judgement in the viewing (or not) of the film.

I am glad he was able to share his views with the world.

Good to see you too miniross. Now all we need is lothario, Fishlips, mertdawg and the rest of the crew. How’s your training by the way?
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Rubbish…been building a house and eating! (whilst working, may i add)

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[quote]vroom wrote:
If you are a minority group that is persecuted by the majority, who’s had to live a dual or hidden life, who’s been afraid to admit the truth of your feelings to anyone, then perhaps you might want to be able to openly celebrate your existance.
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WTF? Don’t even equate gays with minorities. A sexual lifestyle is NOT a minority status and has nothing to do with someone’s skin color or racial background.

You have no basis to include gays in a minority status other than they have a deviant sexual lifestyle in terms of the majority, but so do pedophiles, those who have sex with animals, etc… So just because they are deviant doesn’t mean that grants them minority status.

This shit is offensive to true minorities who have been persecuted for the way they look and where they come from. Nobody knows someone’s sexual practices unless they tell you. So having minority status for that is asinine!

Now, both Pro X and Aldurr should be jumping in here as well, but they won’t. They won’t because it is PC to treat deviant sexual preference as a minority status. But it is truly offensive to the history and struggles of real minorities in the USA.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

I backed it up. Read my other post. When an initial post is ridiculous, don’t expect my answer to be serious.[/quote]

It is not ridiculous that Hollywood puts out 90% more left slanting films than right slanting films. That’s a fact bro. But what is ridiculous is the idea that people with half a brain don’t already know that and not take anything they put out seriously.

So Hollywood gives themselves awards for poor films that have the message they want to support. They have to give themselves awards because everyone else thinks it shyte!

It’s kind of pathetic when you think about it.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
vroom wrote:
If you are a minority group that is persecuted by the majority, who’s had to live a dual or hidden life, who’s been afraid to admit the truth of your feelings to anyone, then perhaps you might want to be able to openly celebrate your existance.

WTF? Don’t even equate gays with minorities. A sexual lifestyle is NOT a minority status and has nothing to do with someone’s skin color or racial background.

You have no basis to include gays in a minority status other than they have a deviant sexual lifestyle in terms of the majority, but so do pedophiles, those who have sex with animals, etc… So just because they are deviant doesn’t mean that grants them minority status.

This shit is offensive to true minorities who have been persecuted for the way they look and where they come from. Nobody knows someone’s sexual practices unless they tell you. So having minority status for that is asinine!

Now, both Pro X and Aldurr should be jumping in here as well, but they won’t. They won’t because it is PC to treat deviant sexual preference as a minority status. But it is truly offensive to the history and struggles of real minorities in the USA.

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What are you talking about? Do you know what the word “minority” means? Do you understand English? How on Earth are gays not a minority group that has been persecuted by the majority? What the fuck are you talking about “true minority status”? All Vroom was implying is that typically people in a minority group that are perscuted by a majority tend to celebrate when they an openly express their feelings. This forum is an example of that.