Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]dukefan4ever wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why do people who haven’t seen “controversial movies” seem to be the loudest voices against those movies? If you haven’t seen it, why complain about it? Hostel, anyone?

I don’t need to see a homosexual in action to know I don’t agree with what he does.

Why do you feel the need to agree or disagree with what he does? What if someone disagrees with your use of “warming lotion” on the bedroom? What if I employ the use of leather whips and a chain, do you disagree? I used some handcuffs once and was trapped in bed because she stole the key. Do you disagree? I do.

Why do I feel the need to disagree? Because I can. Freedom to speak your mind isn’t just a gay right. Ang Lee has the right to make any kind of movie he wants. I have the right to say it’s wrong.
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It’s wrong to make a movie about the subject matter? Why?

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Thanks for sharing that Professor X, but not every movie carries the same appeal to every individual. As I’ve already said in this thread, I’m no fan of romance films, but the fact that there’s controversy surrounding this film sparks interest in me and thousands (if not millions of other people) in gathering more feedback as to what the rest of the film is truly about and what, if any, meaning or message can be extracted from it.[/quote]

But you haven’t seen it. All you are going off of is other people’s opinions, not even your own. That makes me question why you are concerned at all about its content.

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I live in NYC so the censorship of the film initiated plenty of gab and the news hyped up the events. Perhaps you weren’t exposed to the same stimuli as I was which may have otherwise prompted you to also start asking questions.[/quote]

Controversy breeds celebrity. That is simply the way the world works. The more people act as if Harry Potter is evoking Satan, the more kids will read the book. You would think people would catch on by now and stop all of the protests if they actually didn’t want more people to see it.

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And last but not least, just because you don’t see the value in analyzing this film, doesn’t mean anyone else won’t either.[/quote]

What? I am all for “film analysis”. This usually requires watching the movie, however.

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You’re a negligible fraction of a sample set comprising billions of people. It seems like quite a few people are jumping on a mind-control wagon lately. What happened to free-thought, and if you still believe in it, why criticize those who practice it who think differently than you? [/quote]

No one is trying to stop your “free thought”. the question is asked, “how can you think freely about something you have not witnessed first hand?” Have you even read a script about it? How have you “experienced” this movie?

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The homosexuals can practice free thought but heterosexuals can’t? You trying to criticize me for criticizing the film is just flat out ridiculous. And if you don’t care about the thread, then why the heck are you posting on it? I never perceived you to be a pest on the forums, but with sufficient evidence, my views do accept an occasional adjustment.[/quote]

Who has written that heterosexuals can’t practice free thought? Quit making things up and then pretending they are facts.

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You already confessed to not reading the earlier posts. Perhaps you should backtrack to answer your own question. As far as the “peace be with you” motto, that’s how early Christians greeted others. In the Bible, Jesus Christ taught the Apostles to love and be loving towards all of His creatures. Jesus Christ used the phrase to bond people in positive harmony rather than envy, chaos, and hate. I employ (or try to employ) the phrase in a similar manner. If it offends you, I shall refrain from using it when addressing you.[/quote]

It doesn’t offend me at all. It simply sounds trite as if you expect that it gives your posts more significance.

[quote]Prince Vegeta wrote:
I see alot of people on this thread that are really dodging the issue, they prefer to attack stellar_horizons’ character, or blow the article by the Dr. out of proportion. I dont think anyone has really entertained the thought that there may be some substance to the article no matter who wrote it. I think Stellar_horizon posted this article to see if maybe an intelleigent debate arose, but instead alot of smart asses chimed in to tear him down. I for one thought the article was thought provoking and people should give thought to what many movies about all subjects try to sneak past them without them noticing.

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LOL

Intelligent debate? With paragrahs like this? :

You’re telling me that this isn’t a cynics view of marriage anyway? You’ve never heard any of this before? From married men? It took a movie about gay cowboys to make you think that marriage might not be all its cracked up to be?

Are you kidding? Of course it is.

So its a plot by the gays then, right? To make women like gay porn so that they won’t have sex, and the human race dies out? Or that they’ll only watch porn, and stop working and raising kids? Are you fucking kidding?

These don’t sound like rational arguments at all. A big gay conspiracy trying to destroy families? Don’t expect me to respond any differently when garbage like this is posted in seriousness.

Ironically, most men love lesbians on every level. But dudes kissing dudes apparently destroys families, kills babies, steals souls, and brings about the apocalypse. I’ve had enough.

Here it comes…

T motherfuckin S B.

[quote]swivel wrote:
i’m not going to see brokeback mountain.
i’m not going to read your post either.
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That, I believe is called closed mindedness. Honestly, this is someones opinion and has its valid points, but like most writings, especially political, it is hard to hold a balanced unbiased view of a situation in which you have either an agreement or disagreement with. I agree with some of the points made, and I must say that with respect to the movie, you must realize the large contrast was shown only to intend the viewer to more closely see how some people feel, not all. I do agree that it is in showing to support being a homosexual.

I am just tired of hearing about this topic. If you are gay, you are gay, big deal, i dont give a shit, I am straight and I love doing women. My opinion is that they shouldnt marry though, but I am not right or wrong, its called my personal opinion, and i dont care whether you like it or not.

Wasn’t one of the Village People a gay cowboy?

Holy Sh#*! I enjoyed the movie, but I didn’t realize it was about homos! I figured they were cuddling for warmth. Gay! That’s wrong!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wasn’t one of the Village People a gay cowboy?[/quote]

And one was a gay Indian. The Village People were all about tolerance.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wasn’t one of the Village People a gay cowboy?[/quote]

That isn’t fair. They were equal opportunity in that group.

I didn’t see it and don’t really have any interest in seeing it. But I could care less if it’s propaganda. A lot of films are laden with propaganda.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wasn’t one of the Village People a gay cowboy?[/quote]

He wasn’t a REAL cowboy, silly!

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wasn’t one of the Village People a gay cowboy?

And one was a gay Indian. The Village People were all about tolerance.[/quote]

I thought they were about music and having a gay-tastic time.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why do people who haven’t seen “controversial movies” seem to be the loudest voices against those movies? If you haven’t seen it, why complain about it? Hostel, anyone?

I don’t need to see a homosexual in action to know I don’t agree with what he does.

Why do you feel the need to agree or disagree with what he does? What if someone disagrees with your use of “warming lotion” on the bedroom? What if I employ the use of leather whips and a chain, do you disagree? I used some handcuffs once and was trapped in bed because she stole the key. Do you disagree? I do.

Why do I feel the need to disagree? Because I can. Freedom to speak your mind isn’t just a gay right. Ang Lee has the right to make any kind of movie he wants. I have the right to say it’s wrong.

It’s wrong to make a movie about the subject matter? Why?[/quote]

Does the movie in question promote or condemn homsexuality?

People still believe in Jesus? What is this, 1492? Give it a rest. We live, we die, we rot. And yes, this life is as good as it gets, so if yours is miserable, you better make a change and not keep counting on some perpetual paradise you will be delivered to for sitting in a Church for an hour a week(dropping some money in a bucket) and hating gays. So give up the church and give the gays a break, you’re just wasting your finite existence doing either activity.

Cheers

[quote]Professor X wrote:
But you haven’t seen it. All you are going off of is other people’s opinions, not even your own. That makes me question why you are concerned at all about its content.[/quote]

Because you haven’t read my earlier posts. You need to backtrack sir. I’m concerned about the content because sentiment-driven people are applauding the homosexual characters in the film despite the fact that they were cheaters, liars, and dead-beat dads.

You ever been to Family Court Professor X? Has a judge ever said, “Gee, this gay couple is underfeeding their children, not supervising them, not able to provide for their emotional and psychological needs, but screw it, the parents are gay! What model citizens indeed.

Or what about Family Court regarding divorce… “So you cheated on your wife huh? How long was this going on and with who? A young college girl, the maid perhaps, the shepherder’s gorgeous wife maybe? Oh, the shepherder! Well why didn’t you say so. It’s perfectly ok to cheat on your wife with another man. I see no reason to grant your ex-wife any punitive damages.

The politically correct mainstream conveniently skimmed over all the negative qualities of these two characters with one mantra in heart & mind. Must support homosexuality no matter what. Must support homosexuality no matter what.

And as far as developing an opinion of my own, I admittedly haven’t seen the movie to do so. But it’s like this - if a friend goes to a baseball game and tells me the Mets hit a grand-slam against the Yankees in the 9th inning, then that’s a fact. If a scholar, Bible-thumper, sociologist (or whatever Doctor Winfield actually is) reports that the homosexual characters fall into anal sex, lie to their wives, relinquish their marriage vows, abandon their children - what I’m citing here are facts rather than opinions.

You seem to be confusing the two concepts. It doesn’t matter if I witnessed or “experienced” the movie for myself. The facts of the matter still remain and that’s exactly what I’ve been judging all along.

Now unless Winfield is a liar and the two homosexual characters didn’t commit these aformentioned acts, (which I seriously doubt because someone would’ve contested him on these points by now), then I have all the right in the world to be concerned that society takes such a sympathetic attitude towards derelicts simply because of their sexual preferences. If we bash heterosexuals for being @sshole fathers and husbands, we have all the right to bash homosexuals for the same reasons - not being applauding of them!

Regardless of their sexual preferences, the fact that these characters are supported despite all their other wrongs is just disgustingly perverse and signals to me that society has fallen victim to a double standard.

the Politically Correct Golden Rule:
Diss religion, forsake marriage, avoid procreation, but never dare speak out against homosexuals for acts that even heterosexuals would be denounced for committing! The fact that homosexuals have been oppressed in history automatically vindicates all their prior, present, & future actions.

So much for equal rights.

Stellar Horizon is here again with the literal bible nonsense…

I watched highway to heaven. Damn that properganda…goerbals would be impressed.

I wonder when a film grosses little more than 500k on the first weekend such controversy is created. Not many have watched it, i am sure.

Also, when someone watches a film, it is a critique. Sounds like he is a strangled filmo.

I am always impressed by your eloquence, which is way beyond mine. In another time you may have put your efforts to better use and discovered a cure for cancer with your intellect.

If someone does watch the film, then they must surley be aware of its content by now. As such, they may show discresion, and judgement in the viewing (or not) of the film.

I am glad he was able to share his views with the world.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I didn’t see it and don’t really have any interest in seeing it. But I could care less if it’s propaganda. A lot of films are laden with propaganda. [/quote]

Great point.

[quote]dukefan4ever wrote:
Does the movie in question promote or condemn homsexuality?
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How is it “wrong” to make a movie about either one? You have every right to disagree with it. The question is, how is it WRONG? There isn’t too much in the general public at all that “condemns” homosexuality. It may not promote it, but what aspects of society actually “condemn” it outside of some churches?

[quote]TallGuy wrote:
People still believe in Jesus? What is this, 1492? Give it a rest. We live, we die, we rot. And yes, this life is as good as it gets, so if yours is miserable, you better make a change and not keep counting on some perpetual paradise you will be delivered to for sitting in a Church for an hour a week(dropping some money in a bucket) and hating gays. So give up the church and give the gays a break, you’re just wasting your finite existence doing either activity.

Cheers[/quote]

To quote my main man Professor X, Hostel, anyone?

[quote]miniross wrote:
Stellar Horizon is here again with the literal bible nonsense…

I watched highway to heaven. Damn that properganda…goerbals would be impressed.

I wonder when a film grosses little more than 500k on the first weekend such controversy is created. Not many have watched it, i am sure.

Also, when someone watches a film, it is a critique. Sounds like he is a strangled filmo.

I am always impressed by your eloquence, which is way beyond mine. In another time you may have put your efforts to better use and discovered a cure for cancer with your intellect.

If someone does watch the film, then they must surley be aware of its content by now. As such, they may show discresion, and judgement in the viewing (or not) of the film.

I am glad he was able to share his views with the world.[/quote]

Good to see you too miniross. Now all we need is lothario, Fishlips, mertdawg and the rest of the crew. How’s your training by the way?

[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Because you haven’t read my earlier posts. You need to backtrack sir. I’m concerned about the content because sentiment-driven people are applauding the homosexual characters in the film despite the fact that they were cheaters, liars, and dead-beat dads.[/quote]

Have you heard of Pulp Fiction? Was any character in that movie just a really great “moral” person? It sparked much hype from Samual L’s performance and bible scripture reading to the “violation” of Bruce Willis and Ving Rhames. Guess what, it was just a movie. I am amazed that you feel this is signaling the end of the world because a movie about two gay guys got an award. Since when does anyone really care about the Oscars? I would watch the MTV movie awards before I watch the Oscars.