[quote]waterskiin wrote:
Zeb,
I know you are trying to take the moral high road here, but think about what you are asking. You have conceded that some gays cannot change thier orientation.[/quote]
It’s actually far to early to decide who can change their same sex attraction and who cannot.
If the incredible lies from the politically correct had not be spread we might have an answer as to why people are homosexual to begin with.
From the various statistics that I have read it seems that there is almost always a “nuture” part that plays a very large role.
Byne, W., Parsons, B. (1993, March). Human Sexual Orientation: The Biologic Theories Reappraised. Archives of General Psychiatry. 50: 228-39 (228).
“While all behavior must have an ultimate biologic substrate, the appeal of current biologic explanations for sexual orientation may derive more from a dissatisfaction with the current status of psychosocial explanations than from a substantiating body of experimental data. Critical review shows the evidence favoring a biologic theory to be lacking. In an alternative model, temperamental and personality traits interact with the familial and social milieus and the individual’s sexuality emerges.”
Chapman, B., Brannock, J. (1987) Proposed model of lesbian identity development. An empirical examination. Journal of Homosexuality. 14:69-80.
“63% of lesbians surveyed stated that they had chosen to be lesbians, 28% felt they had no choice, and 11% did not know why they were lesbians.”
Elliott, D.M., Brier, J. (1992, February). The Sexually Abused Boy: Problems in Manhood. Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality. 26 (2): 68-71.
“Boys who were sexually molested have subsequently a higher incidence of homosexuality.”
Friedman, Richard, Downey, Jennifer. (1993) Neurobiology and Sexual Orientation: Current Relationships, 5. J. Neuropsychiatry & Clinical Neurosciences 131, 139.
“Some typical childhood factors related to homosexuality are: feeling of being different (for whatever reason) from other children; parent, sibling, peer relationships; perception of father as being distant, uninvolved, unapproving; perception of parental perfection required; perception of mother as being too close, too involved; premature introduction to sexuality (such as child abuse or incest); gender confusion; defensive detachment, reparative drive, same-sex ambivalence; unmet affection needs; diminished/distorted masculinity, femininity.”
I wonder if we somehow removed the following how many would claim a same sex attraction?
-Molested as a child
-One or both parents distant.
-Other abnormal childhood influence
Yes, indeed the reasons that some have a same sex attraction are varied. However there is still no conclusive proof that it is solely genetic.
If it were proven to be solely genetic then I would reconsider my current opinion on the subject.
Now how many politically correct would say the opposite?
That is an understatemnt.
There is no “lifestyle” that even comes close to approaching the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle.
That there are more not speaking out regarding the truth has more to do with political correctness than reality.
Statistically you have a far better chance of living a long and healthy life if you smoked than if you are gay!
I would have to say that you are looking for goodness in a fairly dark area. Your eagerness to put a happy face on what is happening with in the gay community borders on silly.
You are simply “trading pain.”
Have you ever seen anyone die of AIDS in front of you? It’s not a very pretty picture.
I am simply countering the incredible amount of propaganda that has been spread by the politically correct regarding homosexuality. Those who have a same sex attraction can indeed try to get therapy. It has worked for thousands of those who had same sex attraction.
And because one therapy fails does not mean that others will not succeed.
We all serve God in one way or the other. Why do you think you are still here?
I never stated that heterosexuals do not get HIV. However, if you look at the statistics, the overwhelming majority of new HIV cases are homosexual men. And they comprise only about 1.5% of the population.
Statistically, I’m not even sure if there is a higher correlation between smokers and cancer as there are to homosexuals and the HIV virus.
Thank you for the link, it was very informative. As it states: “Most gays and lesbians are not parents, and have more disposable income because of this.”
While I would not trade my children for all the money in the world, I know I would have more money in my pocket if I didn’t have to pay for things like braces. Do you know how much they cost? YIKES!
You know, I post on these threads like everyone else. But the difference is I don’t retreat from my point when the militant gays show up and start flinging the “homophobic” word around as if it actually has merit.
The more interesting point would be to ask, why isn’t there more people commenting on this topic?
For example, polls and referendums around the country show a solid majority of people 70% to 75% against gay marriage. So why don’t more folks comment on homosexuality when it comes up?
Most people are cowed into silence by the militant hate speech used by the politically correct who spew out all the buzz words. If you speak out against a certain lifestyle you are certainly not cool. It’s only cool to be accepting of anything and everything that happens our way.
You think homosexuality is wrong? GASP…you must be a “homophobe.”
What a bunch of crap!
Free speech works both ways- Those who don’t like my free speech don’t have to read it!
But I won’t be silenced on a message board, or in my personal life by cowards who hide behind various buzz words and other forms of hate speech, in order to promote their agenda.
Why would you draw such a conclusion?
I think those who have a same sex attrction have demonstrated that they can easily carry on “sexually” with those of the opposite sex. 87% of homosexual men have stated that they have had sex with women.
How can that be? How many “heterosexual men” (not in prision:), are physically capable of having sex with another man?
So how can they be capable of having sex with someone of the opposite sex if they are “born that way?” It seems that it is only their “preference” to have sex with someone of the same sex.
Many men would “prefer” to carry on extramarital affairs if their wives would not mind.
But…
I looked it up as you suggested. It doesn’t fit me at all.
However, the fact that you had to stoop to such an obvious put down might mean that you suffer from being politically correct.
You see the politically correct despise anyone who attacks their standard beliefs. Usually the beliefs that were pounded into their heads from liberal universities. And then perpetuated by the liberal media.
You only thought you were a “free thinker.”
Congrats!
Zeb
