[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
If you proved to him beyond a reasonable doubt that he would die a very painful death from AIDS[/quote]
As opposed to all the heterosexuals that could die a very painful death from AIDS by practicing unsafe anal sex?
I’m STILL waiting for an answer to the logical puzzle I presented above. If you put your collective fundamentalist heads together, I’m sure you can find the logical flaw in your thinking! Otherwise, let me know and I’ll point it out for you.
According to your subjective religious beliefs…which of course are not supported by objective scientific facts.
Yet another stereotypical falsehood being promoted by homophobes that care more about their religious beliefs than about scientific facts. If you want to make claims like this, prove them. Otherwise shut up.
You also continue to IGNORE the fact that MORE HETEROSEXUALS practice unsafe sex than homosexuals. [/quote]
Um…you are a smart guy but that is an ignorant statement.
Homosexual men comprise about 1% to 2% of the population yet that same group comprise two thirds of all new HIV cases! That is several hundred thousand people!
Hence, a greater percentage of homosexuals practice unsafe sex.
And if you want to bring in all STD’s into the picture the gay community looks just as bad.
You really are a “commonsenseaphobe.”
Have you feared using common sense all of your life?
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
We are on a discussion about homosexuality. However, I have mentioned that anal sex is dangerous PERIOD. I did not specify male to male or male to female in many of my posts.
See if you can find the logical fallacy:
Anal sex is dangerous.
Homosexuals practice anal sex.
Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous.
If you don’t see the fallacy, let’s bring it a little closer to home:
Anal sex is dangerous.
Heterosexuals practice anal sex.
Therefore, heterosexuality is dangerous.[/quote]
The main way that homosexuals practice their “art” (did you like that? is through anal sex…
It is illogical of you to think that the only way that heterosexuals practice sex is through anal sex.
And if it is not so dangerous then why are homosexual men dropping like flys from a host of communicable diseases, STD’s and AIDS?
It’s what they do that makes it dangerous…and of course how they do it.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It’s never SAFE according to the CDC.
And I agree with them!
The CDC doesn’t specifically include the FOUR PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES that I mentioned earlier. Therefore, their conclusion doesn’t pertain to what is being discussed here. They are talking about anal sex in general.[/quote]
What is your head made out of?
Wood?
No seriously, we are talking about the CDC. They have taken all of that into consideration.
“No Zeb it’s all about lubrication…”
LOL
[quote]Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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If it were “straight” forward there would be no problem
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Homosexual men comprise about 1% to 2% of the population yet that same group comprise two thirds of all new HIV cases!
[/quote]
Goodness Zeb, if I didn’t know better I would think that you either skipped or ignored the information I provided earlier on new HIV cases.
You wouldn’t try to fool people by presenting stats on the U.S. only and ignoring world trends, right? Because it’s pretty clear that HETEROSEXUALITY is the largest risk group for HIV when you take a global perspective.
From BBC News:
HIV heterosexual infections soar
[quote]For the first time, twice as many heterosexual than homosexual patients are now being told they have the disease.
Throughout the 1990s, most new cases of HIV infection occurred in gay men.
However, that situation changed in 1999 and heterosexual patients now account for a growing proportion of reported cases. [/quote]
From Irish Health:
HIV among heterosexuals increasing
[quote]The number of heterosexual people, particularly women, contracting HIV in Ireland is on the increase, new figures from the National Disease Surveillance Centre (NDSC) have shown.
According to the figures which cover the first six months of this year, 157 people were diagnosed with HIV, with heterosexuals accounting for 70% of cases. Of these, 80% were women.[/quote]
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The main way that homosexuals practice their “art” (did you like that? is through anal sex…[/quote]
I’m disappointed in you, Zeb. I really thought you would see the logical fallacy in the example I presented earlier.
Here, I’ll make it easy for you:
You are claiming that homosexuality is dangerous because gays practice anal sex.
However, more heterosexuals practice anal sex than homosexuals. So the natural conclusion of your logic is that heterosexuality is even more dangerous than homosexuality.
The problem is that you are confusing sexual orientation with sexual practice. Anal sex is practiced by both homosexuals and heterosexuals. That doesn’t make homosexuality or heterosexuality inherently dangerous. It makes anal sex potentially dangerous, regardless of orientation, when common sense precautions are not taken.
Is that clearer for you?
If not, maybe this will help.
Do you consider homosexuality dangerous for gays that do not practice anal sex? Explain why or why not.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
No seriously, we are talking about the CDC. They have taken all of that into consideration.[/quote]
Lol…I love how you are fond of accusing references that disprove your points as universally being “politically correct”, while failing to apply the same criticism to your own sources.
You still haven’t answered my question about why your conclusions are universally contradicted by EVERY MAJOR MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION (American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, World Health Organization, American Psychiatric Association, American Association of Social Workers, etc.).
Are you actually claiming that ALL of these organizations are politically motivated, and thus their conclusions should be dismissed? It’s all one VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY!!!
[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I’ll admit it. I do not like homosexuals or homosexuality. It is a perversion of life. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say ‘hate’, as that is beyond my feelings.
Finally! An honest, self-admitted homophobe! While I disagree with your views about homosexuality, at least you don’t parade around pretending that science actually supports your viewpoint. You have a religious conviction, and you openly admit that is the reason for your contempt.[/quote]
Homophobe? Little old me? Does thinking something is disgusting and unnatural make them a ‘phobe’?
Hey, you never answered mine, about sticking your ‘thang’ in a girl’s stomach hole. After all, it is a hole on a girl…
If you can shove it up her rear, why not in the feeding hole?
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
We are on a discussion about homosexuality. However, I have mentioned that anal sex is dangerous PERIOD. I did not specify male to male or male to female in many of my posts.
See if you can find the logical fallacy:
Anal sex is dangerous.
Homosexuals practice anal sex.
Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous.
[/quote]Homosexuals practice anal sex.
Anal sex is dangerous.
Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous.
Since your premises (1) and (2) can be changed in order w/o effecting the transitivity of the argument, you have just proven Zeb’s case.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It’s never SAFE according to the CDC.
And I agree with them!
The CDC doesn’t specifically include the FOUR PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES that I mentioned earlier. Therefore, their conclusion doesn’t pertain to what is being discussed here. They are talking about anal sex in general.
What is your head made out of?
Wood?
No seriously, we are talking about the CDC. They have taken all of that into consideration.
“No Zeb it’s all about lubrication…”
LOL
However, the quotes I provided from othe experts who are gay, or politically correct DO include the precautionary measures, and they conclude that anal sex is SAFE when those measures are used.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
If it were “straight” forward there would be no problem
[/quote]
Zeb,
I admire your patience, but this guy’s a goner.
TSB (and I rarely apply that but his is well-earned).
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Homophobe? Little old me? Does thinking something is disgusting and unnatural make them a ‘phobe’?[/quote]
Yup, through and through.
[quote]Hey, you never answered mine, about sticking your ‘thang’ in a girl’s stomach hole. After all, it is a hole on a girl…
If you can shove it up her rear, why not in the feeding hole?
[/quote]
Well, seeing how I’m attracted to guys I would have to say no. But asses are special, you see…they have all these nerve endings for pleasure, and the prostate is positioned in just the right place for maximum enjoyment…PROOF that God intended us all to have (safe) anal sex!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Since your premises (1) and (2) can be changed in order w/o effecting the transitivity of the argument, you have just proven Zeb’s case.[/quote]
Lol…you forgot the other half of the argument. By your logic, heterosexuality is equally wrong.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
No seriously, we are talking about the CDC. They have taken all of that into consideration.
Lol…I love how you are fond of accusing references that disprove your points as universally being “politically correct”, while failing to apply the same criticism to your own sources.[/quote]
It’s the CDC! How old are you? I’m really startig to wonder…
Get off the politically correct gay web sites…and try to understand that your brethern are dying at a higher rate than any other group in the USA!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
We are on a discussion about homosexuality. However, I have mentioned that anal sex is dangerous PERIOD. I did not specify male to male or male to female in many of my posts.
See if you can find the logical fallacy:
Anal sex is dangerous.
Homosexuals practice anal sex.
Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous.
Homosexuals practice anal sex.
Anal sex is dangerous.
Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous.
Since your premises (1) and (2) can be changed in order w/o effecting the transitivity of the argument, you have just proven Zeb’s case.
Zeb wins. Go home, you’re done.][/quote]
I’ll take it!
I have never seen anyone avoid the facts as much as this kid.
He is as blind as anyone I have ever met on these threads.
I know you are trying to take the moral high road here, but think about what you are asking. You have conceded that some gays cannot change thier orientation. I will admit there are risks to the gay lifestyle, although out of all this you have not acknowledge that every different lifestyle has its own set of risks that differ from others.
Take for example, how many gay men are trying to have abortions from unwanted pregnancies. Also are gay men not filling the foster system with thier unwanted children.
Do you really believe that you are accomplishing anything by pointing out to the few that cannot change that they are wrong and should live a celebate lifestyle. If you could do this I would assume you have already gone to seminary and accepted the duty of serving God.
With all the talk of the taxpayer picking up the bill for the “gay” illness, that by the way heterosexual couples never catch, you will notice in the article below that gay money is highly sought after since they have more of it.
Other than your point of trying to say gay is bad, why are you concerned so much. The only thing I am seeing is “if you are gay, you should be ashamed and not ever love anyone”
Waterskiin
P.S. Although you are not calling names you should look up “passive aggresive” sometime.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Since your premises (1) and (2) can be changed in order w/o effecting the transitivity of the argument, you have just proven Zeb’s case.
Lol…you forgot the other half of the argument. By your logic, heterosexuality is equally wrong.
[/quote]
LOL…we should all just stop having sexual relationships. That should really help the human race. At least, it wouldn’t hurt the human race any more than if everyone was gay!
By the way forlife, what lube do you use? I am planning on buying stock now that I have the inside scoop about its necessity!
I found this interesting article on the CDC website that points out the problem of young men and AIDS. Another point it made that society should be more generally accepting. If anyone is truly worried about these young souls they should read this. If you really do not care then you are accommodating the rate of infection in heterosexual females.
[quote]waterskiin wrote:
I found this interesting article on the CDC website that points out the problem of young men and AIDS. Another point it made that society should be more generally accepting. If anyone is truly worried about these young souls they should read this. If you really do not care then you are accommodating the rate of infection in heterosexual females.
If anyone really cared about these persons souls, then we would definitely discourage homosexual behaviour. There is no greater way to distance yourself from God than to use your body in such a way.
is through anal sex…