[quote]forlife wrote:
I ask you again (other than in prison) how many heterosexual males are even physically capable of having sex with someone of the same sex?
Here are some examples of entire societies where male-male relationships were common.[/quote]
You just don’t want to answer any questions do you?
You dodge and twist and out right lie every chance you get!
Shall I be more specific for you?
Why is it that 87% of males in the USwho claim same sex attraction only have also had sex with women?
Now, I know you like to think that every male that you have walked past has some same sex attraction but that’s just not the case (not even in SanFrancisco).
How many heterosexual men out of 100 have actually had sex with another man? 87% of males who claim only same sex attraction have had sex with a female, so one would think that the figure would also be high for heterosexuals. Especially given the big lie by the politically correct that homosexuals are “born that way.”
Hmm… if gays are “born that way” how can they physically be able to have sex with someone of the opposite sex?
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
On this thread I have primarily stated that the homosexual act(anal sex) and lifestyle (of many) is wrong because it causes disease. And I gave evidence from reputable sources (CDC and others) to back that up.
By your flawed logic, the heterosexual act is also wrong because it causes disease.[/quote]
Any sex that causes disease is wrong. Heterosexuals who pursue this act are also in danger. However, the primary way for homosexuals to have sex is through anal intercourse which is always a danger no matter how many precautions you think you are taking (according to the CDC it can only be made “safer” never safe!).
Let’s see how do I say this? The rectum is for pooping not snooping…(Come on where can you get this quality of entertaiment watching TV?)
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Could you imagine if everyone decided to be gay? What if it happened 100 years ago? We would never be even having this discussion.
Hate to break it to you bud, but people don’t just decide to be gay. Do you think I would put up with the shit people like you are constantly shoveling if I could just choose to be straight instead?[/quote]
Since you are using yourself as an expample and once again opening up your personal life to the thread I will comment on it once again.
My question is very simple yet you have not been able to answer it. I now use you as an example: You had sex with a woman (at least twice) who bore you two children.
Tell me, how is that possible if you were born a homosexual?
isn’t it true that homosexuality might just be a simple preference? And it seems that you preferred males to your wife.
I would really like an answer to this question.
[quote]…some have argued that homosexuality is nature’s way of protecting the race from overpopulation.
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Not the dumbest thing I have ever read, but very close.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Could you imagine if everyone decided to be gay? What if it happened 100 years ago? We would never be even having this discussion.
Hate to break it to you bud, but people don’t just decide to be gay. Do you think I would put up with the shit people like you are constantly shoveling if I could just choose to be straight instead?
Homosexuality has always existed, and yet somehow the human race continues to perpetuate. In fact, some have argued that homosexuality is nature’s way of protecting the race from overpopulation.
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It is very interesting that you try to defend homosexuality as normal because it has been practiced for a long time. Have you noticed that the civilizations in history that have been the strongest have fallen when homosexuality was at its peak? Greece? Rome? Sodom & Gommorah? It is not a healthy sexual activity, and it leads to worth things.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Before you say I’m pulling it out of thin air, check your local newspaper. Everywhere we hear about young boys being molested. And it’s not the heterosexuals doing it. It’s the gays.
Do you even try to educate yourself, or are you perpetually content buying into the stereotypes of the religious right?
Homosexuality is not pedophilia.
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I never said homosexuality was pedophilia. But, I would contend that if there were no homosexuals, there would be significantly less cases of molestation of young boys.
You and I educate ourselves from different sources, so do not pretend to be an unbias participant. Your bias is obvious. I merely want to see what is best for society.
If I am unwilling to let a few people particpate in something destructive so that society as a whole can prosper, I do not believe I am unreasonable.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I am opposed to us doing things that are not natural for our bodies. That includes gay sex, both in men and women.
So the reason for you being opposed to lesbian sex is that it is “unnatural”. Again, you’re welcome to your subjective beliefs. But I didn’t see any actual scientific data backing up your claims.[/quote]
Perhaps the most profound scientific data would be that procreation exists when a mans sperm reaches a woman’s egg. I learned about this in elementry school. I surprised you didn’t, but then again, I don’t know the extent of your education.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Before you say I’m pulling it out of thin air, check your local newspaper. Everywhere we hear about young boys being molested. And it’s not the heterosexuals doing it. It’s the gays.
Do you even try to educate yourself, or are you perpetually content buying into the stereotypes of the religious right?
I am sure you will not be surprised to know that most homosexuals have had sex with kids. So, it is more than just fantasy or right-wing agendas - it is the truth.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Before you say I’m pulling it out of thin air, check your local newspaper. Everywhere we hear about young boys being molested. And it’s not the heterosexuals doing it. It’s the gays.
Do you even try to educate yourself, or are you perpetually content buying into the stereotypes of the religious right?
I am sure you will not be surprised to know that most homosexuals have had sex with kids. So, it is more than just fantasy or right-wing agendas - it is the truth.[/quote]
Just wanted to give a little further clarification for my thought process when I wrote the above. The site says:
"Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
That obviously means that about 33% of all sex crimes against children are committed by homosexuals! And they only comprise 1% to 3% of the population. Coincidence…I think not!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
What I said was that the APA was hijacked by the politically correct in 1973?
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What about the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the World Health Organization, the American Society of Social Workers, and all the other major medical and mental health organizations I listed earlier?
Do you really expect us to believe that every one of those organizations is politically corrupt, and that their scientific conclusions are worthless?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hmm… if gays are “born that way” how can they physically be able to have sex with someone of the opposite sex?[/quote]
I gave you numerous examples of societies where the majority of men had sex with other men (Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, parts of Melanesia, Renaissance Italy, pre-modern Japan, etc.). OBVIOUSLY, it is possible for straight men to have sex with one another.
So why are you shocked that it is similarly possible for gay men to have sex with women? How does that make them any more “straight” than it makes the straight men from those other societies “gay”?
Could you at least try to use some basic logic here please?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Any sex that causes disease is wrong. Heterosexuals who pursue this act are also in danger.[/quote]
Thank you for at least admitting this. So why not focus your criticism on unsafe sex, instead of harping on gays all the time? What is it about homosexuality that disturbs you so much?
You claim it is because a higher percentage of gays practice anal sex. But if you look at sheer numbers, more straight people practice anal sex than gay people.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for you to caution all people to practice safe sex, and leave it at that? Why bring sexual orientation into it?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
My question is very simple yet you have not been able to answer it. I now use you as an example: You had sex with a woman (at least twice) who bore you two children.
Tell me, how is that possible if you were born a homosexual?
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Why do you believe that gay men cannot have sex with women, and that straight men cannot have sex with other men?
You’ve already admitted that straight men in prison have sex with one another. I’ve given you numerous examples of entire societies where that was the norm.
Your basic assumption is flawed. Clearly, it is possible for straight men to have sex with one another. It is also possible for gay men to have sex with women.
But of course, straight men would generally prefer to have sex with women. Is it so shocking that gay men would similarly prefer to have sex with men?
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
It is very interesting that you try to defend homosexuality as normal because it has been practiced for a long time. Have you noticed that the civilizations in history that have been the strongest have fallen when homosexuality was at its peak? Greece? Rome? Sodom & Gommorah? It is not a healthy sexual activity, and it leads to worth things.[/quote]
Lol…where is your proof that the reason Greece, Roman, etc. fell due to homosexuality?
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I never said homosexuality was pedophilia. But, I would contend that if there were no homosexuals, there would be significantly less cases of molestation of young boys.
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And you would be wrong. Go back and read the scientific studies that I listed. Homosexuality is completely different from pedophilia.
You fundamentalists are fond of dismissing all the science that disagrees with your stereotypes, while claiming that your studies are perfectly conducted and are never politically motivated. We have a word for that, you know.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Perhaps the most profound scientific data would be that procreation exists when a mans sperm reaches a woman’s egg.[/quote]
Are you actually claiming that any sex act which doesn’t result in insemination is “unnatural”? Lol…I hope you never have sex unless you plan to impregnate your woman in the process.
You do know that homosexuality is prevalent in the animal world as well, right? It doesn’t get more “natural” than that.
I am sure you will not be surprised to know that most homosexuals have had sex with kids. So, it is more than just fantasy or right-wing agendas - it is the truth.[/quote]
You’re sending me to a website called “Traditional Values” and expect me to believe that it isn’t politically motivated?
Regardless, the information presented on the site ignores the core definition of pedophilia (which is discussed in the scientific studies presented earlier). When a male pedophile has sex with a boy, that does not make him a homosexual. Pedophiles are specifically attracted to children, not to someone of their own gender. It is a red herring to point to the number of male pedophiles and then conclude that they are homosexuals. They are not.
I’m gay, and I’m certainly not attracted to children. I have two children myself, and I would kill anyone that tried to abuse them.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children. [/quote]
This is an extremely inflated number, compared to the scientific studies I showed you earlier. You will also note that it says “up to one-third”, which could mean anything.
But even if the inflated claims were right, that means that two-thirds or more of the sex crimes against children are committed by people attracted to the OPPOSITE sex.
Does that mean that all heterosexuals are pedophiles? Of course not.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Hmm… if gays are “born that way” how can they physically be able to have sex with someone of the opposite sex?
I gave you numerous examples of societies where the majority of men had sex with other men (Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, parts of Melanesia, Renaissance Italy, pre-modern Japan, etc.). OBVIOUSLY, it is possible for straight men to have sex with one another.[/quote]
You gave me nothing relative to proof that heterosexual men have a sexual attraction for other men.
You must compare apples to apples-In this case "culture to culture.
Where does it say that “the majority of men have had sex with other men?” It does not say that. As it did not happen!
And it surely does not say that about Americans living in the 21st century.
Keep trying, to rationalize why the majority of “homosexuals” have had sex with women. But make sure you avoid the real reason: They are aroused by women as well as men! And this shoots the “born that way” theory all to heck.
What other explaination is there that 87% of all men who call themselves “gay” have had sex with a woman.
And if you think that 87% of all heterosexual men have had sex with another man you might be sicker than I originally thought.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Any sex that causes disease is wrong. Heterosexuals who pursue this act are also in danger.
Thank you for at least admitting this.[/quote]
I stated this many posts back! I told you that you actually have to read my posts to understand them.
(Looks up at the title of the thread). This is a thread on being gay, is it not?
Besides, who is suffering from more disease and dying at a more rapid rate (percentage wise) than any other group in America?
That would be homosexuals, not “straights.”
Ha ha…there is no such thing as “safe sex” I already taught that one to you!
You really have to start paying attention.
And… I think “sexual orientation” is simply a kinder word than preference (or in some cases perversion). And YOU (and the other 87% of your brethern) my friend have demonstrated that to me by having sex with…GASP…a woman!
You didn’t get those two kids at Wal-Mart now did you?
