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forlife,

Why don’t you do something different for a change and actually read the entire post!

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Other than AIDS, STD’s just about every communicable disease there is, emotional problems and ultimate early death…

More false claims. It’s getting tiresome Zeb, really. Show me that gays are any more likely than heterosexuals to get AIDS, STD’s, etc. when they practice safe sex. You can’t![/quote]

Tiresome? We’ve just begun.

What I clearly demonstated is that homosexual men DO NOT practice [b/safer[/b] sex!

Want to look at the statistics again?

You would think that there just might be a little fear among your group, but um…not so.

They are a very bold bunch-

Odd I think, especially in light of the fact that it is very dangerous practice the act of anal sex, as it can never be made SAFE

Do you know what the CDC is?

“Center for Disease Control.”

Not a right wing group out to make gay people look bad

I agree with the Center for Disease Control. While anal sex can be made “safer” it can never be made “safe.”

Okay, now read the following slowly:

"A CDC fact sheet explains the risks of anal sex. First, “the lining of the rectum is thin and may allow the [HIV] virus to enter the body.”

Ahah! You say! But if you wear a condom then there is no danger!

Not true. Read on:

Second, “condoms are more likely to break during anal sex than during vaginal sex.”

ANAL CANCER

"The risk for anal cancer is a concern for men and women who have anal sex. It can produce malignant tumors inside and outside the anal canal.

(Even if you wear a condom!)

Many people with early anal cancer have no symptoms. Many LGBT practitioners are advising routine anal Pap smears to detect the early changes that might indicate a risk of developing anal cancer.

There are no long term studies, but some providers advise that any male with a history of having anal sex should be screened.

Did you read that?

READ IT AGAIN.

Although anal cancer accounts for less than 5% of all digestive and intestinal tract cancers, the rate of incidence is rising."

And it is rising with in the gay community. We do know from the CDC that homosexual men are 35 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexuals.

Condom or no condom it’s dangerous!

Finally, the rectum is not shaped to accomodate a mans penis. Damage the lining of the rectum can take place regardless of every possible precaution.

“…For this reason, anal sex is the riskiest form of sexual activity when it comes to the transmission of HIV/AIDS. Tiny tears in the anal tissue are like giant superhighways for the HIV viruses, allowing them to get inside the body and enter the blood system. Anal tears provide an opening for all the other STDs as well. It may be possible for repetitive anal sex to lead to weakening of the anal sphincter, which is the muscle that tightens after we defecate. Once weakened, feces can escape the anus against our will.”

Even if YOU DO WEAR A CONDOM you can create these tiny tears which later on can become infected.

Directly from the CDC site:

“Long-term efforts to maintain safer (notice they say SAFER, not safe) sexual practices present a significant challenge.”

They “present a challenge” because they are not working!

I understand that anyone can type anything on a message board (I’ve been watching you do it :). So please click on the link and see for yourself:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/msm.htm

And this from “The American Academy Of Family Physicians.”

Another very highly respected source for good information.

“Relatively few men who have sex with men have discussed their risk of HIV infection with their physician.”

They are not even discussing the risks! Much less doing anything about it.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040501/2149.html

Finally, to be sure wearing a condom is safer than not wearing a condom. I have never stated anything to the contrary. But as the CDC web site clearly points out it is only safer not safe.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SAFE SEX-STOP SWALLOWING THE LIE

If you wish to gamble with your life and someone wants to gamble with you, fine. But stop perpetuating that myth on this forum. It may lead other young men to think that there is absolutely no danger in placing his penis in another persons rectum simply because he is wearing a condom! Or, allowing such to be done to him.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You HATE homesexuality…[/quote]

I agree.

I also hate obesity, alcoholism and drug addiction. And I’m not at all fond of people driving under the influence.

Because those behaviors spread pain and death!

But none of the above means that I hate the people involved in such things. In fact, I feel very sorry for them. Hate does not even regiser on my personal radar screen.

But…you can’t buy into that because you have been spoon fed a lie by the politically correct.

Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

THE BIG LIE:

“If you warn of the dire consequences of the gay sex act or the common gay lifestyle you must hate gays.”

Therefore, you are HOMOPHOBIC!

That is the single biggest disservice that has been perpetuated upon those of us who take a stand for the truth.

If you new me you would understand that I hate no one!

Not even you. :slight_smile:

I do know however that if people sit back and say nothing the “big gay lie” will be told over and over again (as it has already been) without any one standing up for the truth!

And because of that more people will die, become emotionally unstable, and suffer dire health consequences.

Someday you may understand all that. If it ever happens think of me.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’ll admit it. I do not like homosexuals or homosexuality. It is a perversion of life. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say ‘hate’, as that is beyond my feelings.

Life is very precious. When someone is gay, they are practicing the highest form of selfishness. God created life, to create more life. To deny your existence and take pleasure (blech!) in these perverse acts is anti-life. God gave you life as a man, to have children and continue that life. Homosexuality is, in essence, a death-wish.[/quote]

I completely understand. And, if I understand you right, you don’t hate the people, you just hate the act. I feel the same way. And, no matter how hard you or I may try to help someone understand, the truth is, he will be blind to it until he is ready to accept it.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Yes, it is repulsive. Human beings were not designed, by God or nature or whatever you believe in, to do that sort of thing. It is wrong for anyone to do this sort of thing. Zeb is making that crystal clear.
[/quote]

At least you’re consistent in your distaste. Unlike you, Zeb only seems concerned with anal sex that is performed by gays. Anal sex among heterosexuals doesn’t interest him, for some reason.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’ll admit it. I do not like homosexuals or homosexuality. It is a perversion of life. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say ‘hate’, as that is beyond my feelings.[/quote]

Finally! An honest, self-admitted homophobe! While I disagree with your views about homosexuality, at least you don’t parade around pretending that science actually supports your viewpoint. You have a religious conviction, and you openly admit that is the reason for your contempt.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
It may lead other young men to think that there is absolutely no danger in placing his penis in another persons rectum simply because he is wearing a condom!
[/quote]

If you would stop misrepresenting my posts, there would be far less potential for confusion. I never said that condoms were the ONLY factor in safe anal sex. To the contrary, I specifically said that a) condoms are important, b) lubrication is important, c) gentle insertion is important, and d) not being under the influence of drugs or alcohol is important.

THOSE are the common sense precautions I keep mentioning. All four, not just the use of condoms. And THOSE are the same precautions that have led to these conclusions by experts:

[quote]Sexual Health InfoCenter:

Anal sex can be a perfectly safe activity as long as you take the necessary precautions.

Jack Morin, PhD, author of Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women:

No physical injury from anal stimulation results if both partners refuse to tolerate pain, never use force and avoid the use of drugs.[/quote]

You have yet to provide a SINGLE STUDY showing that when those four precautions are followed, anal sex is still dangerous. To the contrary, the above references make it clear that anal sex can be SAFE, if common sense precautions are followed.

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hey zeb, you know how i know your gay?

your dick tastes like shit. :slight_smile:

(40 yr old virgin)

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You HATE homesexuality…

I agree.
[/quote]

It doesn’t matter whether you hate homosexuality or homosexuals…either form of hatred makes you a homophobe. That hatred of homosexuality is what has fueled our discussion here. Let’s make that perfectly clear.

The problem is that you have mistakenly associated homosexuality with unsafe sex behavior. You have even admitted that, in your mind, the two are IDENTICAL. LOL! As if there isn’t a single homosexual on the earth that practices safe sex.

You also continue to IGNORE the fact that MORE HETEROSEXUALS practice unsafe sex than homosexuals. Why do you not, therefore, hate heterosexuality?

I’m just looking for some logical consistency here.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Zeb only seems concerned with anal sex that is performed by gays. Anal sex among heterosexuals doesn’t interest him, for some reason. [/quote]

I don’t think there is any need to mischaracterize my point.

We are on a discussion about homosexuality. However, I have mentioned that anal sex is dangerous PERIOD. I did not specify male to male or male to female in many of my posts.

Open your eyes and pay attention…get your head out of your…nevermind.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I’ll admit it. I do not like homosexuals or homosexuality. It is a perversion of life. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say ‘hate’, as that is beyond my feelings.

Finally! An honest, self-admitted homophobe! While I disagree with your views about homosexuality, at least you don’t parade around pretending that science actually supports your viewpoint. You have a religious conviction, and you openly admit that is the reason for your contempt.[/quote]

Let me step up the pace for you:

It’s wrong from a religious stand point. Also, wrong from a health standpoint.

It’s against our traditions and social mores. And I will add, gay marriage is an unpopular idea with about 70% of the people in recent polls. And voted down in 16 ballot measures across the country (recently voted down in Texas by about 75%).

And if you take a look at USA today, today’s edition you will see a front page article which clearly states that traditional folk, like myself, have launched ballot measures in 16 states to prevent homosexuals adopting children!

Are we now clear on the topic now?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It may lead other young men to think that there is absolutely no danger in placing his penis in another persons rectum simply because he is wearing a condom!

If you would stop misrepresenting my posts, there would be far less potential for confusion. I never said that condoms were the ONLY factor in safe anal sex. To the contrary, I specifically said that a) condoms are important, b) lubrication is important, c) gentle insertion is important, and d) not being under the influence of drugs or alcohol is important.

THOSE are the common sense precautions I keep mentioning. All four, not just the use of condoms. And THOSE are the same precautions that have led to these conclusions by experts:

Sexual Health InfoCenter:

Anal sex can be a perfectly safe activity as long as you take the necessary precautions.

Jack Morin, PhD, author of Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women:

No physical injury from anal stimulation results if both partners refuse to tolerate pain, never use force and avoid the use of drugs.

You have yet to provide a SINGLE STUDY showing that when those four precautions are followed, anal sex is still dangerous. To the contrary, the above references make it clear that anal sex can be SAFE, if common sense precautions are followed.[/quote]

Reread my prior (lengthy) post.

It’s never SAFE according to the CDC.

And I agree with them!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
We are on a discussion about homosexuality. However, I have mentioned that anal sex is dangerous PERIOD. I did not specify male to male or male to female in many of my posts.
[/quote]

See if you can find the logical fallacy:

Anal sex is dangerous.

Homosexuals practice anal sex.

Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous.

If you don’t see the fallacy, let’s bring it a little closer to home:

Anal sex is dangerous.

Heterosexuals practice anal sex.

Therefore, heterosexuality is dangerous.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s wrong from a religious stand point.[/quote]

You’re entitled to your subjective religious views.

Here is where we disagree. See the logical fallacy post above.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s never SAFE according to the CDC.

And I agree with them!
[/quote]

The CDC doesn’t specifically include the FOUR PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES that I mentioned earlier. Therefore, their conclusion doesn’t pertain to what is being discussed here. They are talking about anal sex in general.

However, the quotes I provided from other experts DO include the precautionary measures, and they conclude that anal sex is SAFE when those measures are used.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You HATE homesexuality…

I agree.

It doesn’t matter whether you hate homosexuality or homosexuals…either form of hatred makes you a homophobe.[/quote]

I’m a “alcoholaphobe” and a “drugaphobe” and an “obesityphobe” too then…

Ha ha…the labels the politically correct try to throw at you are sort of funny.

Can I call you a “commonsenseaphobe?”

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[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It’s never SAFE according to the CDC.

And I agree with them!

The CDC doesn’t specifically include the FOUR PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES that I mentioned earlier. Therefore, their conclusion doesn’t pertain to what is being discussed here. They are talking about anal sex in general.

However, the quotes I provided from other experts DO include the precautionary measures, and they conclude that anal sex is SAFE when those measures are used.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[/quote]

Oh I see the Center for Disease Control is wrong huh?

Gee you would think that the CDC would already be taking that into account huh? (psst…they are)

Got it?

You really are a “commonsenseaphobe.”

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It may lead other young men to think that there is absolutely no danger in placing his penis in another persons rectum simply because he is wearing a condom!

If you would stop misrepresenting my posts, there would be far less potential for confusion. I never said that condoms were the ONLY factor in safe anal sex. To the contrary, I specifically said that a) condoms are important, b) lubrication is important, c) gentle insertion is important, and d) not being under the influence of drugs or alcohol is important.

THOSE are the common sense precautions I keep mentioning. All four, not just the use of condoms. And THOSE are the same precautions that have led to these conclusions by experts:

Sexual Health InfoCenter:

Anal sex can be a perfectly safe activity as long as you take the necessary precautions.

Jack Morin, PhD, author of Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women:

No physical injury from anal stimulation results if both partners refuse to tolerate pain, never use force and avoid the use of drugs.

You have yet to provide a SINGLE STUDY showing that when those four precautions are followed, anal sex is still dangerous. To the contrary, the above references make it clear that anal sex can be SAFE, if common sense precautions are followed.

Reread my prior (lengthy) post.

It’s never SAFE according to the CDC.

And I agree with them!
[/quote]

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same things, Zeb? I know I do.

Here you have a guy that is adament that anal sex is completely safe, proven wrong, and then changes his position to say the risk is negligable. Basically, what he is saying is that he does not care what anyone says or thinks, he is going to do it because the risk he takes is worth the reward.

If you proved to him beyond a reasonable doubt that he would die a very painful death from AIDS and he would burn in hell forever, I doubt he would change his mind. The only thing we can hope is that he is staying monogomous (as I believe he claims to be) and that he is not seeking young boys or teenagers as is typical in homosexual circles.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Gee you would think that the CDC would already be taking that into account huh? (psst…they are)
[/quote]

Prove it. I want to see a quote from the CDC stating that even when a) condoms are used, b) sufficient lubrication is used, c) gentle insertion is used, and d) the person is not under the influence of drugs or alcohol, anal sex is an unacceptable health risk.

Until I see such a quote, you’re talking out of your ass (ha!).

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
If you proved to him beyond a reasonable doubt that he would die a very painful death from AIDS[/quote]

As opposed to all the heterosexuals that could die a very painful death from AIDS by practicing unsafe anal sex?

I’m STILL waiting for an answer to the logical puzzle I presented above. If you put your collective fundamentalist heads together, I’m sure you can find the logical flaw in your thinking! Otherwise, let me know and I’ll point it out for you.

[/quote]and he would burn in hell forever[/quote]

According to your subjective religious beliefs…which of course are not supported by objective scientific facts.

Yet another stereotypical falsehood being promoted by homophobes that care more about their religious beliefs than about scientific facts. If you want to make claims like this, prove them. Otherwise shut up.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

Yet another stereotypical falsehood being promoted by homophobes

[/quote]

Note for other readers: This guy avoids the facts by namecalling. Very typical.

In his eyes, if you are not pro-homosexuality, you are a homophobe and a hater. It is yet another way of justifying his own actions by demonizing the other party.