Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I know you need to rationalize your behavior, we all do. But that specific behavior is VERY DANGEROUS.
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Give me a single study showing that anal sex with the appropriate common sense precautions is VERY DANGEROUS. You keep citing statistics related to people that don’t use condoms and don’t take the appropriate precautions. Your conclusions are IRRELEVANT, because they don’t pertain to gays that do take such precautions.

I’m still waiting for an answer on why you are focusing on homosexuals, in any case. Since more HETEROSEXUALS engage in anal sex than homosexuals, why aren’t you targeting them?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Duh…there are more heterosexuals![/quote]

So why aren’t you preaching to those masses of heterosexuals that are out there trying anal sex and putting their lives at risk? gasp

The truth is that you don’t care about heterosexuals and any unsafe practices they might engage in. You have a homophobic, religiously motivated agenda and are using “unsafe sex” as a smokescreen for your vendetta.

I totally support your efforts to stop unsafe sex. But apply those efforts to all people, both gay and straight, instead of targeting just the gay population.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
God is good…

Anal sex is bad…

There that was simple.
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Because Zeb says so? I know you think highly of yourself, but I need a little more than your word when it comes to such statements.

You have yet to provide a study showing that anal sex is bad, WHEN APPROPRIATE PRECAUTIONS ARE TAKEN. As far as god being good, I’m guessing you don’t have many scientific studies in that regard either.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I mean can you imagine? 66% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men.
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So teach gay men to practice safe sex. And teach straight men to do the same, while you’re at it.

There’s nothing inherently unsafe about homosexuality. I know you like to pretend otherwise, but wanting something to be true doesn’t make it so.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Tell me if it’s sooo very safe why is it that homosexual men lead the way in just about every communicable diesease?

Hmmm…could it be that not all gay men practice SAFE SEX? You’re barking up the wrong tree, Zeb. You have yet to provide a single statistic showing that gay men who practice SAFE SEX are at risk.[/quote]

I’ve provided plenty of info regarding how unsafe anal sex is regardless of how it’s performed.

That you don’t want to read it is your own problem.

You like to pracitce homosexual sex and dog gone it you’re going to do it no matter the volumes of information which speak against the the act and the lifestyle.

What can I say?

You are a closed minded young gay guy.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I mean can you imagine? 66% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men.

So teach gay men to practice safe sex. And teach straight men to do the same, while you’re at it.[/quote]

If the other gay guys listen as well as you do why bother?

And the HIV problem is primarily a gay one. The stat that I have been throwing around the most has demonstrated that. But because 66% of all new HIV cases are gay men, and 87% of all gay men have sex with women I’m sure that a far larger percentage than 66% can be traced directly back to the gay community.

And they say gays have not given society anything…

There’s nothing inherently unsafe about homosexuality.

Other than AIDS, STD’s just about every communicable disease there is, emotional problems and ultimate early death…

I agree…it’s perfectly safe. (eye roll)

I’m sorry for you and I mean it.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
God is good…

Anal sex is bad…

There that was simple.

Because Zeb says so? I know you think highly of yourself, but I need a little more than your word when it comes to such statements.

You have yet to provide a study showing that anal sex is bad, WHEN APPROPRIATE PRECAUTIONS ARE TAKEN. As far as god being good, I’m guessing you don’t have many scientific studies in that regard either.[/quote]

Just these:

(Wake up)

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’ve provided plenty of info regarding how unsafe anal sex is regardless of how it’s performed.[/quote]

Wrong. You’ve provided general statistics about the gay community, which you then incorrectly apply to gay men that practice safe sex.

You’ve also provided general statements about the potential dangers of anal sex, without recognizing that those dangers are effectively addressed when common sense precautions are taken.

You’ve blatantly ignored the statements I’ve provided to the effect that anal sex IS SAFE when appropriate precautions are taken. Here they are again, in case you missed them earlier:

Sexual Health InfoCenter:

Jack Morin, PhD, author of Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women:

I know you like to obfuscate the facts by misinterpreting studies, but that isn’t going to fly. If you want to have a real debate, then give me references that actually apply to the topic being discussed.

I’m still waiting for a single study from you showing that homosexuality is dangerous, when safe sex is being practiced.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Other than AIDS, STD’s just about every communicable disease there is, emotional problems and ultimate early death…
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More false claims. It’s getting tiresome Zeb, really. Show me that gays are any more likely than heterosexuals to get AIDS, STD’s, etc. when they practice safe sex. You can’t!

There is nothing INHERENTLY dangerous about homosexuality. As long as safe sex is practiced, it is just as safe as heterosexuality.

I know this’ll sound old-fashioned but God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Also, there’s lots of places a man could stick his equipment into. But in some guy’s dirty asshole? Anyone wanting to do that is just plain sick.

I know the world is devolving into hell but when I see some of the antics of my fellow human beings, supported as being ‘enlightened’ by others, it is JUST PLAIN REPULSIVE!

One of the things Zeb has conveniently left out of his “statistics” is that HIV is a worldwide epidemic, and that especially if you look outside of the U.S., HIV is a much larger issue for heterosexuals than for homosexuals.

Maybe Zeb should worry less about his religious motivations, and instead focus on educating BOTH the straight and gay community about the risks of unsafe sex:

From BBC News:
HIV heterosexual infections soar

[quote]For the first time, twice as many heterosexual than homosexual patients are now being told they have the disease.

Throughout the 1990s, most new cases of HIV infection occurred in gay men.

However, that situation changed in 1999 and heterosexual patients now account for a growing proportion of reported cases. [/quote]

From Irish Health:
HIV among heterosexuals increasing

[quote]The number of heterosexual people, particularly women, contracting HIV in Ireland is on the increase, new figures from the National Disease Surveillance Centre (NDSC) have shown.

According to the figures which cover the first six months of this year, 157 people were diagnosed with HIV, with heterosexuals accounting for 70% of cases. Of these, 80% were women.[/quote]

From eMedicine Consumer Health:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Just these:

[long list of irrelevant studies omitted]
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Zeb, I’ll let you in on a little secret. I have a Ph.D., and I actually know how to read the title of a journal article. In fact, most of the people following this thread can read those titles without needing a Ph.D.!

Don’t insult our intelligence by providing references that are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

I didn’t ask for references on the incidence of disease in gay men.

I asked for references on the incidence of disease in gay men THAT PRACTICE SAFE SEX.

Still waiting…

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Also, there’s lots of places a man could stick his equipment into. But in some guy’s dirty asshole? Anyone wanting to do that is just plain sick.[/quote]

I’m guessing that you find it similarly repulsive for a man to stick his equipment into some girl’s dirty asshole? You do realize that this happens more often with heterosexuals than with gays, right?

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I mean can you imagine? 66% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men.

So teach gay men to practice safe sex. [quote]

Um…why don’t you teach them as you actually believe there is such a thing.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Duh…there are more heterosexuals!

So why aren’t you preaching to those masses of heterosexuals that are out there trying anal sex and putting their lives at risk? gasp

The truth is that you don’t care about heterosexuals and any unsafe practices they might engage in. You have a homophobic, religiously motivated agenda and are using “unsafe sex” as a smokescreen for your vendetta.

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And you have completly run out of arguments as each one has been proven wrong!

Now you are on the personal attack mode, as you are frustrated that your propaganda has been exposed.

And you spew yet more gay propaganda: If someone is against the act of homosexuality for health, or even religious reasons they therefore HATE homosexuals…

How stupid.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Um…why don’t you teach them as you actually believe there is such a thing.
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You have yet to prove that homosexuality is harmful, when common sense precautions are taken. Heck, even if you set aside the fact that more straight men than gay men practice anal sex, I bet that you would try to argue that sex between people of the same gender is inherently unhealthy. Why? Because…um…because Zeb says so!

I’m still waiting for a SINGLE STUDY to the effect that gays that practice SAFE SEX are on the path to physical destruction. I know you believe they are on the path to spiritual destruction, but that’s beyond the point.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
And you spew yet more gay propaganda: If someone is against the act of homosexuality for health, or even religious reasons they therefore HATE homosexuals…
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You HATE homesexuality…whether or not you HATE homosexuals is not my call to make. Either way, you are a homophobe (which, by the way, refers to either fear or CONTEMPT for homosexuality).

I’m not against your concerns for the health of your fellow human beings. I applaud such concerns. I’m just encouraging you to apply those concerns with equanimity, regardless of sexual orientation.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Also, there’s lots of places a man could stick his equipment into. But in some guy’s dirty asshole? Anyone wanting to do that is just plain sick.

I’m guessing that you find it similarly repulsive for a man to stick his equipment into some girl’s dirty asshole? You do realize that this happens more often with heterosexuals than with gays, right?[/quote]

Yes, it is repulsive. Human beings were not designed, by God or nature or whatever you believe in, to do that sort of thing. It is wrong for anyone to do this sort of thing. Zeb is making that crystal clear.

If your gf had surgery and had a stomach hole to feed herself, would you stick her there? Well, its a hole and its on her body…

Sickening.

I’ll admit it. I do not like homosexuals or homosexuality. It is a perversion of life. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say ‘hate’, as that is beyond my feelings.

Life is very precious. When someone is gay, they are practicing the highest form of selfishness. God created life, to create more life. To deny your existence and take pleasure (blech!) in these perverse acts is anti-life. God gave you life as a man, to have children and continue that life. Homosexuality is, in essence, a death-wish.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I’ve provided plenty of info regarding how unsafe anal sex is regardless of how it’s performed.

Wrong. You’ve provided general statistics about the gay community, which you then incorrectly apply to gay men that practice safe sex.[quote]

Wrong! I’ve also demonstrated how there is no “safe anal sex.”

Not that many homosexuals even care about trying to practice safe sex.

In reality there is no such thing.

I also provided specific studies which demonstrate my point.

Keep looking away…In a few years you might open your eyes.