Brokeback Propaganda

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
You are a very seriously misled young man and I am beginning to actually feel sorry for you as I think you really do believe this blather.[/quote]

I’m supposed to take your word over these experts, who actually know what they are talking about?

[quote]Sexual Health InfoCenter:

Anal sex can be a perfectly safe activity as long as you take the necessary precautions.[/quote]

[quote]Jack Morin, PhD, author of Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women:

No physical injury from anal stimulation results if both partners refuse to tolerate pain, never use force and avoid the use of drugs.[/quote]

Yes, aggressive unprotected anal sex can be damaging. We agree on that. But not all anal sex is dangerous, as the experts above have made clear. If you take common sense precautions, anal sex is safe.

Either discredit my sources or admit that you don’t have all the answers. The quotes above are from respected professionals, and I will take their word over yours.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
If you use a condom you cannot eliminate the many risks as I stated above.[/quote]

Safe anal sex involves more than just using a condom. It includes providing sufficient lubrication, going gently, and not surrendering your judgment to drugs or alcohol. See the references I provided earlier.

But you’re avoiding the point. You are trying to equate homosexuality with unsafe sex. I’m still waiting for a SINGLE REFERENCE from you proving that all homosexuals practice unsafe sex. The two are NOT identical as you claim.

Check this reference for starters:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/ad/361-370/ad362.htm

I’ll provide more references if you want. It’s pretty clear: you should be focusing your criticism of anal sex on the target group with the largest number of people practicing it:

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HETEROSEXUALS!

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Safe anal sex involves more than just using a condom. It includes providing sufficient lubrication, going gently, and not surrendering your judgment to drugs or alcohol.
[/quote]

Wow, I think I may have just heard more than I need to know.

I can not believe you are trying to demonstrate that anal sex is safe and normal by giving us a laundry list of precautions.

You know, when men and women have sex, you don’t have to do all these things to be safe. You just have to remain chaste until marriage and then be monogomous. No condoms or lubrication! Imagine that!

929

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
You just have to remain chaste until marriage and then be monogomous. No condoms or lubrication! Imagine that![/quote]

If you choose to remain chaste and monogamous, there is nothing wrong with that. What do you have against people that practice safe sex by using condoms and lubrication? Their health isn’t at risk so…could it be that you have a RELIGIOUS objection instead?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
You just have to remain chaste until marriage and then be monogomous. No condoms or lubrication! Imagine that!

If you choose to remain chaste and monogamous, there is nothing wrong with that. What do you have against people that practice safe sex by using condoms and lubrication? Their health isn’t at risk so…could it be that you have a RELIGIOUS objection instead?[/quote]

You are so very funny. You act like promoting condoms and lubrication alleviates the problem of unsafe sex. It’s not like condom could break, or you could fail to use enough lubrication, or you could accidentally get excited and be too rough.

Again, you are fallaciously arguing your point to further your own cause. Very funny, and yet very sad.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
You are so very funny. You act like promoting condoms and lubrication alleviates the problem of unsafe sex. It’s not like condom could break, or you could fail to use enough lubrication, or you could accidentally get excited and be too rough.[/quote]

The probability of a condom breaking is very small. And even if the condom did break, the probability of catching a disease that one time is also very small. Taken together, the risks are negligible.

By your extremist logic, heterosexuals should also never have sex due to the possibility of accidentally catching a disease or creating a pregnancy.

Speaking of heterosexuals, you haven’t commented yet on the fact that MORE HETEROSEXUALS PEFORM ANAL SEX THAN HOMOSEXUALS. Imagine that…why aren’t you focusing on them instead?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
You are so very funny. You act like promoting condoms and lubrication alleviates the problem of unsafe sex. It’s not like condom could break, or you could fail to use enough lubrication, or you could accidentally get excited and be too rough.

The probability of a condom breaking is very small. And even if the condom did break, the probability of catching a disease that one time is also very small. Taken together, the risks are negligible.

By your extremist logic, heterosexuals should also never have sex due to the possibility of accidentally catching a disease or creating a pregnancy.

Speaking of heterosexuals, you haven’t commented yet on the fact that MORE HETEROSEXUALS PEFORM ANAL SEX THAN HOMOSEXUALS. Imagine that…why aren’t you focusing on them instead?[/quote]

There are about 100 x more heterosexuals than homosexuals, so it does not surprise me.

Did they make sure to explain you position about condoms and lubrication in the propaganda of Brokeback Mountain? I sure hope them cowboys were nice and gentle, and didn’t do any drinking.

933

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You are a very seriously misled young man and I am beginning to actually feel sorry for you as I think you really do believe this blather.

[/quote]

I’m with you, Zeb.

This man has allowed himself to be completely blinded by the facts. He believes his risks are negligable. Very sad.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
There are about 100 x more heterosexuals than homosexuals, so it does not surprise me.[/quote]

I didn’t ask you if there were more heterosexuals than homosexuals. I asked why you focus your hatred on homosexuals, when there are more heterosexuals practicing anal sex? Surely there isn’t a hidden religious bias driving your actions?

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
This man has allowed himself to be completely blinded by the facts. He believes his risks are negligable. Very sad.[/quote]

Explain to me how the risk of gays having sex is anything other than negligible, when safe sex is practiced. I don’t want to hear your stereotypes and homophobic generalizations. I want facts.

And don’t start quoting statistics about gays in general. I want to know the risks for gay men that specifically practice SAFE SEX.

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Come on fellas, let the thread die. If both sides wound up agreeing it would change my mind about religion. Only a miracle could solve this debacle.

937

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Safe anal sex involves more than just using a condom. It includes providing sufficient lubrication, going gently, and not surrendering your judgment to drugs or alcohol. See the references I provided earlier.[/quote]

LOL…look at him quoting almost directly from the handbook of the politically correct!

“Use the proper lubrication and a condom and everything will be just fine, fine I tell you :)”

What a croc of crap!

Tell me if it’s sooo very safe why is it that homosexual men lead the way in just about every communicable diesease?

If it’s so safe why is it that 66% of all new HIV cases are homosexual? men?

If it’s so safe why do men who have sex with other men also have

(1993). STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention).

Available at: www.ama-assn.org/special/std/treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm.
GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as ?sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes.?
(1998). Hepatitis C: Epidemiology: Transmission Modes. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). Available at: www.cdc.gov/nidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/edu/1/default.htm.

Men who have sex with men who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at an increased risk for contracting hepatitis C.

(1998, September 4). Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). p. 708.

?Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized world.?
(1999, December). Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and Race/Ethnicity. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention.

Available at www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1102/table9.
?Men who have sex with men? and ?men who have sex with men and inject drugs? together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative total of male AIDS cases.

(2000, September 29). Viral Hepatitis B ? Frequently Asked Questions. National Center for Infectious Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). Available at: Division of Viral Hepatitis | CDC.
Men who have sex with men are at increased risk for hepatitis B.

Condom or not, the lining of the rectum is far to thin for sex and can tear (without you knowing it) and in comes disease.

NEWS FLASH

There is no (related) group that has more disease, emotional problems and early death than homosexual men!

And do you know why that is?

BECUASE ANAL SEX-AND THE LIFESTYLE THAT MANY HOMOSEXUAL MEN LIVE IS DANGEROUS!

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[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You are a very seriously misled young man and I am beginning to actually feel sorry for you as I think you really do believe this blather.

I’m supposed to take your word over these experts, who actually know what they are talking about?[/quote]

No, don’t take my word, absorb the many references that I have given you for the past several days!

Hey there’s an idea huh?

No euphemisms:

You have to know deep down that sticking your penis in someones rectum is not safe, clean or healthy?

(Not to mention the looks you could get :slight_smile:

This is from the University of California Santa Barbara. You know that right wing group controlled by fundamental Christians…Oh no wait I guess that’s not the case at all. Just more evidence that the male on male primary sex act is an unsafe one:

“…For this reason, anal sex is the riskiest form of sexual activity when it comes to the transmission of HIV/AIDS. Tiny tears in the anal tissue are like giant superhighways for the HIV viruses, allowing them to get inside the body and enter the blood system. Anal tears provide an opening for all the other STDs as well. It may be possible for repetitive anal sex to lead to weakening of the anal sphincter, which is the muscle that tightens after we defecate. Once weakened, feces can escape the anus against our will.”

You know, you can eat through your nose too. You can stick a straw in your nose and inhale a milkshake. (Please don’t try that at homse kids).

But:

Is it ultimately safe?

Is it the best way to eat?

Is it what the nose was made for?

No of course not…

I know you need to rationalize your behavior, we all do. But that specific behavior is VERY DANGEROUS.

It’s not like you are rationalizing desert on weekends…

You need to start hanging with folks who will tell you the truth before it’s to late!

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
forlife wrote:
Safe anal sex involves more than just using a condom. It includes providing sufficient lubrication, going gently, and not surrendering your judgment to drugs or alcohol.

Wow, I think I may have just heard more than I need to know.

I can not believe you are trying to demonstrate that anal sex is safe and normal by giving us a laundry list of precautions.

[/quote]

The only way to make an inherently unsafe act more safe (but never totally safe) is to take 43 different precautions…

If he only realized how funny (but sad too) he sounds.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
You just have to remain chaste until marriage and then be monogomous. No condoms or lubrication! Imagine that!

If you choose to remain chaste and monogamous, there is nothing wrong with that. What do you have against people that practice safe sex by using condoms and lubrication? Their health isn’t at risk so…could it be that you have a RELIGIOUS objection instead?[/quote]

(raises hand) Oh, oh, I have a religious objection!

(The guy uses it as if it’s bad or something- How far have we fallen…sad)

But, I also have a safety objection.

Your brethern are dying at a very high rate from numerous diseases including HIV.

Do you think this is happening becuause anal sex is THE WAY TO GO?

No it’s called blinded by lust…

“Lust you say?”

That sounds suspicious…to me are you talking about THE BIBLE (organ music plays dramatically)

Yep…The Bible!

Since you won’t pay attention to health statistics, social mores, and personal responsibilities maybe you need to get your face out of some…okay I won’t say that.

Just put your face in a Bible for a half hour per day.

A book you need to read my very confused little friend!

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[quote]forlife wrote:

Speaking of heterosexuals, you haven’t commented yet on the fact that MORE HETEROSEXUALS PEFORM ANAL SEX THAN HOMOSEXUALS. Imagine that…why aren’t you focusing on them instead?[/quote]

Duh…there are more heterosexuals!

Also your stats say that x amount of heteros “tried anal sex.”

Tried it!

So please stop talking like a nit wit.

About 2% of the population is comprised of homosexual men. But 66% of the HIV population is homosexual men.

…we know who is having anal sex on a regular basis…

Don’t make me post the extensive list of disease that is created by an unnatural act and by people who have no regard for their own safety or anyone else’s either!

Now go hang your head…

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I sure hope them cowboys were nice and gentle, and didn’t do any drinking.[/quote]

Gives a entire new meaning to “riding the range.”

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
There are about 100 x more heterosexuals than homosexuals, so it does not surprise me.

I didn’t ask you if there were more heterosexuals than homosexuals. I asked why you focus your hatred on homosexuals, when there are more heterosexuals practicing anal sex? Surely there isn’t a hidden religious bias driving your actions?[/quote]

LOL…yea he didn’t ask. He doesn’t want to talk about that. (shaking head)

Tell him to look on the HIV list and see who is there…

END OF STORY.

Why don’t you give it up kid?

And who said they “hated” anyone?

If I try to get my obese Aunt to stop killing herself with food, do I hate her or love her?

Spit that gooey white politically correct pabulum out of your mouth you are not making any sense…

And the religious bias crap is starting to get old.

90% of the US population believes in God and about 70% think gay marriage is a bad idea.

God is good…

Anal sex is bad…

There that was simple.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
This man has allowed himself to be completely blinded by the facts. He believes his risks are negligable. Very sad.

Explain to me how the risk of gays having sex is anything other than negligible, when safe sex is practiced.[/quote]

You’ve been swallowing the politically correct crap so long that you don’t even know what you are saying!

There is no safe sex when it comes to anal sex.

Remember this?

Anatomy lesson number one for all homosexuals:

“At the lower end of the bowel, there are two distinct circular bands of muscles, sphincters, one is located about an 1 ?” above the other. These clamp down tight to prevent the passage of feces or gas. The mucous membrane lining of the rectum is not as heavy as the lining of the vagina, so it can tear quite easily and it does not heal as quickly as the vagina. Because feces, loaded with bacteria, are passing by, any tear is vulnerable to infection.

This can develop into an anal abscess that can become infected - more about that in a moment. Also, if your partner has any of the sexually transmitted infections (STI’s), then you could get infected through the tear. So we are talking about gonorrhea (treatable); venereal warts (treatable if external, difficult if up in the rectum); syphilis (treatable); herpes (treatment, no cure); yeast infection (treatable); and HIV and AIDS (treatment but no cure.) You do not want any of these STI’s.

But wait, there’s more bad news. A “fissure” is a tear up in the rectum can develop into a crack, and become infected. EVEN IF YOU ARE WEARING A CONDOM

OH MY!

It can gradually extend out through the wall of the bowel and form a channel across, through and into a nearby organ. That’s called a “fistula”, and it would allow feces to flow into other parts of the body.

Um…YUCK

Repairing tears, fissures and fistulas is delicate surgery and recovery can be long and painful.

Oh well at least after surgery and a long and painful recovery you will be okay :slight_smile:

Some doctors will tell you that hemorrhoids (piles) could result from anal sex, and although I have no medical research, I have heard people say that the rectum “gets sloppy”, stretched.

The best prevention is “don’t go there”.

OH DARN AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE!

LOL…YOU DID IT

You used the homophobic word!

Yes!

Victory!

Don’t you know it’s passe to call someone homophobic? When you do that it means that you ran out of arguments to promote your lifestyle.

You are saying that we are all scared of homosexuals!

LOL…You are sooo politically correct…You should get out more. The real world is not at all what you believe it to be.

Can’t blame you there if I were you I wouldn’t want to read those very serious and very sad facts again.

I mean can you imagine? 66% of all new HIV cases are homosexual men.

And you say that anal sex is safe?

Your brethern are betraying you!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Tell me if it’s sooo very safe why is it that homosexual men lead the way in just about every communicable diesease?
[/quote]

Hmmm…could it be that not all gay men practice SAFE SEX? You’re barking up the wrong tree, Zeb. You have yet to provide a single statistic showing that gay men who practice SAFE SEX are at risk.

Instead of preaching against homosexuality, you should be preaching against UNSAFE SEX.

I dare you to show me a single study where gay men take appropriate precautions (e.g., condoms, lubrication, no drugs), and are at any higher risk than heterosexuals. You can’t provide such a study, because it doesn’t exist!