[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Okay, time to burst your bubble once again!
forlife wrote:
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
The various examples above are lies.
One more time that you have twisted statistics to suit your needs.
Read the truth:
[b]The legalization of homosexual marriage in Scandinavia was apparently followed by an increase in the heterosexual marriage rate and a decline in the divorce rate, but Kurtz shows that this is a manipulation of statistics.
The reason the Scandinavian divorce rate is getting lower is that relatively few marriages have been taking place, and Kurtz points out the obvious, “You can’t get divorced unless you first get married.”
In Denmark, the most “advanced” of the three countries, the proportion of cohabiting couples with children increased by 25 per cent during the decade when the institution of marriage was supposedly getting stronger.
During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.[/b]
Did everyone catch that?
In Denmark 60% of first-born children have unmarried parents!
Gay marriage harmed marriage in that country.
I thank GOD that Americans are voting down gay marriage in state wide voting faster than you can say “I do.”
So much for your trumped up facts on the positive benefits of gay marriage in other countries.
I suppose if no one ever got married the divorce rate would be really really low huh?
Gay marriage in Denmark denigrated the institution of marriage so that less people felt compelled to actually marry!
One more statistic for you:
Relatively few homosexuals chose to “marry” once it became possible to do so, and some homosexual leaders now admit that they are in principle opposed to the idea of marriage and supported it only as another means of gaining respectability.
And there lies the real reason that homosexuals like forlife are pushing so very hard for gay marriage!
http://www.wf-f.org/JFH-Scandanavian.html
I’m here to keep you honest buddy. And also to get to 100 pages.
Yet again more nonsense from a jebus-freak website.
You are a clown harris.
Any site that states anything other than two men should be boning each other is a “freaky religious site” to you.
To use this guy’s reasoning, 9/11 might also be the reason for Scandinavian out-of-wedlock birthrates going up.
Gay marriage and out-of-wedlock birthrates do not have a causal relationship; they have a temporal one.
Ha ha…
No one said there was a “causal” effect. However, please name for me all of the other major social changes that took place in this country at the same time that would have that sort of effect.
Answer: NONE
If free candy were distributed each day to every family in one particular neighborhood for 3 months and at the end of that time tooth decay rose you couldn’t conclusively prove that it was the candy.
So…it’t NOT the candy?
Watch out folks!
These politically correct pro homosexuals are out to twist every single fact that they can get their hands on.
Why didn’t we see these type of stats before? Tell me what effected their system this way if not homosexual marriage.
Why don’t you explain it to us harris?
If, of course, these figures are true.
Which they are not. This Scandinavian bullshit has been propagated by the bigots, yet has no basis in reality.
Yes, of course anyone who disagrees with the politically correct homosexual agenda is a bigot and full for shit.
Because certain facts don’t quite promote the homosexual agenda they have to be from bigots.
[b]You and your brother forlife operate under this misguided axiom:
“WHATEVER STATISTIC, FACT OR GENERAL TREND THAT IS WRITTEN OR STATED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THAT IS OF A NEGATIVE NATURE IS DONE SO WITHOUT A DOUBT BY A BIGOT AND HOMOPHOBE.”[/b]
And this is the very essence of political correctness. It replaces the truth with what “should” be true in the minds of the politically correct.
Facts, figures and trends which proves them wrong must be attacked, disgarded, twisted or ignored. In order to prove their original supposition
It’s a freaking disease!
All the nasty data just can’t be true because it’s not politically correct.
Tragic.
Despite what Kurtz might say, the apocalypse has not yet arrived. In fact, the numbers show that heterosexual marriage looks pretty healthy in Scandinavia, where same-sex couples have had rights the longest. In Denmark, for example, the marriage rate had been declining for a half-century but turned around in the early 1980s.
It turned around in the "early 80’s which has nothing to do with gay “marriage.”
Once again, Zeb cherry-picks faulty information to back up his religious views. What a shocker.
You are the one who is cherry picking.
Did you miss this:
“The claim that the rate of heterosexual marriage increased also proves to be misleading, mainly because the marriage rate is so low that a small increase can create a statistical bump. In Denmark it appears that the increase in marriage is not due to young people’s embracing that institution but to the fact that people who have lived together for a long time, and who have children, at some point may finally decide to go through the formalities.”
And this…
“As Kurtz observes, the divorce rate is relatively insignificant where the marriage rate is low. The important statistic is the rate of “family breakup,” which includes people living together but not married. In places where careful studies have been made, cohabiting couples with children are more than twice as likely to separate than are married people. (What, after all, is the purpose of cohabitation, if not to allow an easy escape from the relationship?) During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.”
And this…
“Kurtz shows that the forces which led Scandinavia to accept homosexual marriages are the same as those which have led to the rapid decline of marriage itself. Scandinavia has definitively separated marriage from parenthood, so that people can be “married” if they think they are and can produce children without reference to marital status. The same “experts” who extol homosexual marriage also celebrate the fact that Scandinavians have moved “beyond” traditional marriage.”
And let’s not forget that with in four years of allowing gay “marriage” in the Netherlands it has also become legal to enter into a polygamist union!
That’s the sort of country harris and company want everyone to live in.
Let’s see how does it work harris?
I mean the real agenda:
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Legalize Gay marriage
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Legalize polygamy?
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Legalize incestual unions?
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(Use your imagination here)________
We have seen that the slippery slope has been proven to be correct in the Netherlands, why would it be any different here?
Keep swinging the bat for the wrong team harris, and I’ll keep striking you out!
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Christ, you’re a fucking retard.
I post something that clearly refutes Kurtz’ theses and conclusions and you respond by reposting the lie.
Are you drunk?
