[quote]forlife wrote:
Now are you going to bury your head in the sand again, or are you going to listen to professionals that actually know what they are talking about?[/quote]
There is no burying going on here. You continue to try to prove a point that you are unable to prove. It would seem you are the one in the sand - and harris is standing right behind you!
[quote]forlife wrote:
As I said earlier, I have many friends that are what I consider true Christians. You aren’t one of them. I see you as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, parading around with the name of Christ written on a stick that you use to beat down anyone that disagrees with your homphobic agenda. You are hateful, bigoted, arrogant, and stubborn minded. If there really is a Christ, I think you will be one of the people he talked about here:
Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”
Matthew 7:21-23
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So very funny. I am not the one who said “if there really is a Christ”. You lost your argument by your own words. Very funny.
It would seem the “true Christians” you are friends with are happy to see you live the life you live. Tell me, are they gay too?
Finally forlife, what is it that God expects from us that I have given and you have not? Do you know what it is? I will give you a hint - it has nothing to do with actions. It deals with the heart. Think…
[quote]forlife wrote:
You are hateful, bigoted, arrogant, and stubborn minded.
[/quote]
When I read this part of your post, I really thought it applied to you. Do you know why?
Hateful - you hate Christians, Jesus, and me just because we have told you that homosexual activity is wrong.
Bigoted - you came onto a thread about propaganda in a movie and changed the subject to meet your own selfish desires. And, once confronted about your perverted lifestyle choice, you demonstrated a serious hatred for anyone and everyone who opposes your viewpoint.
Arrogant - You can’t even admit you are wrong when you are confronted with hard facts that show you homosexuals suffer from an unusually high rate of suicide, depression, and disease.
Stubborn - you keep coming back even though the facts haven’t changed.
You are a very sad individual forlife. Tell me, how many men have you had sex with? Are you a shining example of homosexual monogomy?
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
There is no burying going on here. You continue to try to prove a point that you are unable to prove. It would seem you are the one in the sand - and harris is standing right behind you![/quote]
Do you really think that I am going to let you make an idiotic statement like that and let it go unchallenged?
I showed you that MANY religious organizations (including a very large number of Christian churches) are gay friendly. I provided the list for you. I showed you the large number of highly respected medical, educational, and mental health organizations that signed their name to this list. You are not going to get away with just dismissing all of that and pretending it doesn’t exist.
Your narrow interpretation of a document that was never intended to lie stagnant for millenia has turned you into a regressive bigot without the capacity for learning and growth.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
It would seem the “true Christians” you are friends with are happy to see you live the life you live. Tell me, are they gay too? [/quote]
No doubt you would find comfort if all of the religious organizations I listed were comprised exclusively of gay members. No such luck, I’m afraid. The large majority of them are straight.
Believe it or not, it is actually possible to be a gay friendly heterosexual…just like it is possible for white men to treat blacks and women with respect.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
You can’t even admit you are wrong when you are confronted with hard facts that show you homosexuals suffer from an unusually high rate of suicide, depression, and disease.[/quote]
God, will you give up this tired argument already? How many times do I have to tell you that if you really care about the higher rate of suffering in the gay community, you will SUPPORT government sanctioned unions, which have proven to lead to DECREASED incidence of disease?
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
Not once has the above statistic been disproven. NOT ONCE.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
There is no burying going on here. You continue to try to prove a point that you are unable to prove. It would seem you are the one in the sand - and harris is standing right behind you!
Do you really think that I am going to let you make an idiotic statement like that and let it go unchallenged?
I showed you that MANY religious organizations (including a very large number of Christian churches) are gay friendly. I provided the list for you. I showed you the large number of highly respected medical, educational, and mental health organizations that signed their name to this list. You are not going to get away with just dismissing all of that and pretending it doesn’t exist.
Your narrow interpretation of a document that was never intended to lie stagnant for millenia has turned you into a regressive bigot without the capacity for learning and growth.
[/quote]
Keep in mind forlife that the gay lifestyle you choose to live is incapable of allowing the human species to survive. Any way you look at it, you are involved in something very unnatural. Any church that doesn’t see that is certainly not a church that has any credibility - at least with 80% of the population.
The stats and organizations you presented are bias. They try to distort the facts to suit their own selfish agenda (kind of like you). But, the one fact that I really liked was the one from the CDC. I mean, here we have a completely unbias organization. It doesn’t try to distort the facts like the other organizations you bring up. It just reports the facts.
So, what was that stat again? How much disease is coming from homosexuals?
And forlife, I wonder, how much disease has been coming from you? You still never answered my question - are you a shining example of homosexual monogomy? Or, are you par for the homo course?
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
It would seem the “true Christians” you are friends with are happy to see you live the life you live. Tell me, are they gay too?
No doubt you would find comfort if all of the religious organizations I listed were comprised exclusively of gay members. No such luck, I’m afraid. The large majority of them are straight.
Believe it or not, it is actually possible to be a gay friendly heterosexual…just like it is possible for white men to treat blacks and women with respect.[/quote]
So, in your view, if you don’t accept gay marriage, then you hate homosexuals. And, if you hate homosexuals, then you want to oppress blacks and women.
So, in your view, if you don’t accept gay marriage, then you want to oppress blacks and women.
How old are you again?
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
You can’t even admit you are wrong when you are confronted with hard facts that show you homosexuals suffer from an unusually high rate of suicide, depression, and disease.
God, will you give up this tired argument already? How many times do I have to tell you that if you really care about the higher rate of suffering in the gay community, you will SUPPORT government sanctioned unions, which have proven to lead to DECREASED incidence of disease?
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
Not once has the above statistic been disproven. NOT ONCE.
[/quote]
I assume you mean that you have been unable to prove any of your statistics. And, I bet you secretly cried inside when the truth about the Scandinavian gay marriage fiasco came to light.
I guess the stats you have brought to the table have been disproven after all 
[quote]forlife wrote:
Your narrow interpretation of a document that was never intended to lie stagnant for millenia…
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You think it was actually intended to be twisted by those who want to promote homosexual behavior?
You just can’t get even the most basic concepts right can you?
Here is your warning for adding or subtracting from the Bible:
Rev. 22:18-19 KJV:
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,[b] If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
It would seem the “true Christians” you are friends with are happy to see you live the life you live. Tell me, are they gay too?
No doubt you would find comfort if all of the religious organizations I listed were comprised exclusively of gay members. No such luck, I’m afraid. The large majority of them are straight.[/quote]
LOL…“The large majority of them…”
Most are not gay maybe but all are politically correct. Political correctness has invaded the Church the same way it has every institution.
“Friendly” to your mind is not telling you the truth about homosexuality. In other words if you keep your mouth shut and go along with the gay agenda…you are friendly.
If you have a child and you tell him not to play in the highway…YOU’RE MEAN!
Yea…
Black = genetic
Women = genetic
Homosexual = An action
Thank me later for the usual lesson.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
You can’t even admit you are wrong when you are confronted with hard facts that show you homosexuals suffer from an unusually high rate of suicide, depression, and disease.
God, will you give up this tired argument already? How many times do I have to tell you that if you really care about the higher rate of suffering in the gay community, you will SUPPORT government sanctioned unions, which have proven to lead to DECREASED incidence of disease?
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
Not once has the above statistic been disproven. NOT ONCE.
[/quote]
That is a bold faced lie which I proved a few posts back…
You see, when you repeat a lie often as you have done on this thread…it’s still a lie!
Keep this in mind terribleivan:
The politically correct operate under this misguided axiom:
“WHATEVER STATISTIC, FACT OR GENERAL TREND THAT IS WRITTEN OR STATED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THAT IS OF A NEGATIVE NATURE IS DONE SO WITHOUT A DOUBT BY A BIGOT AND HOMOPHOBE.”
And this is the very essence of political correctness. It replaces the truth with what “should” be true in the minds of the politically correct.
Facts, figures and trends which proves them wrong must be attacked, disgarded, twisted or ignored. In order to prove their original supposition
It’s a freaking disease!
All the nasty data just can’t be true because it’s not politically correct.
Tragic.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Keep this in mind terribleivan:
The politically correct operate under this misguided axiom:
“WHATEVER STATISTIC, FACT OR GENERAL TREND THAT IS WRITTEN OR STATED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THAT IS OF A NEGATIVE NATURE IS DONE SO WITHOUT A DOUBT BY A BIGOT AND HOMOPHOBE.”
And this is the very essence of political correctness. It replaces the truth with what “should” be true in the minds of the politically correct.
Facts, figures and trends which proves them wrong must be attacked, disgarded, twisted or ignored. In order to prove their original supposition
It’s a freaking disease!
All the nasty data just can’t be true because it’s not politically correct.
Tragic. [/quote]
It kind of reminds me of the downtown crack-whores and prostitutes. They don’t want to change. They just want to die in their own selfish behavior.
In a sense, forlife is even worse than the crack-whores. He wants to bring everyone else down with him. I really pity what his children have to go through, and they don’t even know how good life can be.
[quote]forlife wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Homosexuality is sin. Those who practice homosexuality are in grevious sin.
Did you even bother to read what I wrote? Your bible also says that it is a sin for women to speak in church or have their heads uncovered.
Quit being a smorgasbord Christian, picking and choosing what you want to believe according to your own agenda.[/quote]
God’s Word still says: Homosexuality is sin.
It was, continues to be, and forever will be SIN – that is:[b]
S I N [/b]
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
High suicide rate.
High depression rate.
High disease spreading rate.
Inability toward being monogamous (in general)
Heterosexuals commit suicide, get depressed, spread disease, and sleep around too. Would you advocate denying them marriage because of this?
Again, you are being totally inconsistent and applying a double standard.
If you really cared about gays spreading disease (as opposed to being a homophobe with a religious agenda), you would ENCOURAGE them to marry, since government sanctioned unions have been shown to DECREASE the incidence of disease among gays:
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
I see now you cling to a flawed inconsisency argument. You must be desperite.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of depression than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher incident of disease than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have many, MANY, more sexual partners than heterosexuals (with the exception of Wilt Chamberlin who is right there with the homos)
The funniest part about your argement that homosexuality is normal is that if everyone was a homo 100 years ago, you wouldnt even be here today! Life would have ceased to exist! And now that we have gotten so scientificly advanced, you want to try to justify your nasty little habit by marrying other men. HA, HA, it aint gonna happen in this country - LOL!
Forlife, you are the most selfish person I have ever seen on these threads, and that says alot![/quote]
Great point that I have never heard anyone bring forth. If, 100 years ago, everyone went the ‘other way,’ the population of the planet would be down to near zero. The fact that the human race couldn’t sustain this, proves that this behavior is at least not normal and against the laws of nature. All this even without the Bible! [/b]
Also, when you point out about the suicide rates for homosexuals and the depression rates for this class of people – I find it ironic that they call themselves “gay.” This word, which has totally been coopted by the homosexual “community,” used to mean happy…ironic indeed!
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
You are still clinging to portions of scripture which many, MANY, good honest and God-fearing Christians disagree on, but you are avoiding the parts that all Christians agree on.
So your inconsistency in applying what the bible clearly teaches on women speaking in the church, having their heads covered, etc. is excused because lots of people similarly practice smorgasboard Christianity? Lol. Why not just admit that some of what is contained in the new testament no longer applies today?
Besides, there are many, MANY good honest and God-fearing people that do not push a homophobic agenda. As noted in the “Just the Facts About
Sexual Orientation & Youth:
A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel” statement:
[b]The most important fact about “transformational ministry” is that its view of homosexuality is not representative of the views of all people of faith. Many deeply religious people and a number of religious congregations and denominations are supportive and accepting of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people and their right to be protected from the discriminatory acts of others. For example, the following organizations have endorsed passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation:
American Ethical Union, American Friends Service Committee, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress, Church of the Brethren, Church Women United, Dignity/USA, Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Hadassah, WZOA, The Interfaith Alliance, Jewish Women International, National Council of Churches of Christ, USA, National Council of Jewish Women, North Georgia United Methodists, Presbyterian Church (USA), Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, Unitarian Universalist Association, United Church of Christ, United Methodist Church, Women of Reform Judaism, Young Women’s Christian Association[/b]
The above statement was signed by the following highly respected medical, mental health, and educational organizations:
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Counseling Association
American Association of School Administrators
American Federation of Teachers
American Psychological Association
American School Health Association
Interfaith Alliance Foundation
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Social Workers
National Education Association
Now are you going to bury your head in the sand again, or are you going to listen to professionals that actually know what they are talking about?[/quote]
There is not a true believer in Jesus Christ – i.e. a true Christian – who believes that sodomy is OK. Period. The fact that many people who claim to be “christians” find no problem with your sin – proves that these people are not Christians. The Bible teaches that for one to be a Christian, that person is a “disciple of Christ.” A “disciple of Christ,” follows Jesus and agrees with His teachings – teachings that include the entire Word of God.
Sorry, once again, your gay mind and gay agenda and your gay propaganda prevents you from seeing true reality. I feel very sorry for you…
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
And, as far as bigots go, you and forlife are the biggest bigots on this thread. You are so intolerant of Christians that you are incabable of posting anything that doesn’t bash a Christian. Bigotry at its finest!
As I said earlier, I have many friends that are what I consider true Christians. [/quote]
Now let me guess – YOU consider those to be “christians” who:
Claim to believe in Christ
Agree with your gay agenda and
accept you for who you are and have
no problem with your sin.
What a surprise. Oh, I hate to break this to you, but YOU are NOT the arbiter of who is and who is not a believer.
Jesus said that a good tree and a bad tree are known by their “fruits.” One of these “fruits” would be if they are following God. Since God condemns – yes condemns sodomy – all true believers would agree to this also.[quote]
You aren’t one of them. I see you as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, parading around with the name of Christ written on a stick that you use to beat down anyone that disagrees with your homphobic agenda. You are hateful, bigoted, arrogant, and stubborn minded. If there really is a Christ, I think you will be one of the people he talked about here:
Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”
Matthew 7:21-23
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Great quote! You actually make our point. Notice what Jesus said:
Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”
Matthew 7:21-23
See? Those who are true Christians do the will of God. One can only do the will of God when he or she lives in agreement with the Word of God, which expresses God’s will in the first place.
Thank you for showing from the Bible the sad fact that you should look at your friends who you claim are Christians in light of this verse.
I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. My intent is not to do so. However, when you debate the Bible, you must have the Biblical facts on your side. Again, sir, you do not.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
It would seem the “true Christians” you are friends with are happy to see you live the life you live. Tell me, are they gay too?
No doubt you would find comfort if all of the religious organizations I listed were comprised exclusively of gay members. No such luck, I’m afraid. The large majority of them are straight.
LOL…“The large majority of them…”
Most are not gay maybe but all are politically correct. Political correctness has invaded the Church the same way it has every institution.
Believe it or not, it is actually possible to be a gay friendly heterosexual…
“Friendly” to your mind is not telling you the truth about homosexuality. In other words if you keep your mouth shut and go along with the gay agenda…you are friendly.
If you have a child and you tell him not to play in the highway…YOU’RE MEAN!
Yea…
just like it is possible for white men to treat blacks and women with respect.
Black = genetic
Women = genetic
Homosexual = An action
Thank me later for the usual lesson.
[/quote]
Thank you Zeb for a dose of reality!
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
A “disciple of Christ,” follows Jesus and agrees with His teachings – teachings that include the entire Word of God.
[/quote]
Since the entire Word of God includes the direct scriptural commandment for women not to speak in church or have their heads uncovered, by your own definition, you are not a “disciple of Christ”.
Or did you think I would forget about your selective amnesia when it comes to being a smorgasbord Christian?