[quote]tme wrote:
Ok, for those of us keeping score…
ZEB is still a fag hating total fucking douchbag.
Steve is well beyond being a total fucking idiot.
Ivan is too busy PM’ing ZEB about how awesome his response was, and too stupid to know otherwise. Maybe he just doesn’t realize that blowing ZEB on the internet is just as gay as blowing ZEB in a car. Does that make ZEB gay too?
Forlife honestly thinks any of these idiots will even listen to facts that refute their beliefs.
XI: Thou shalt not be a tool in my name.
Damn, looks like some of you will have to rot in hell now.
[/quote]
Dont forget to include tme who has been sticking his tounge in forlifes ass and swirling it around
Or Harris who has been sticking his tounge in tme s ass and swirling it around
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
tme wrote:
Ok, for those of us keeping score…
ZEB is still a fag hating total fucking douchbag.
Steve is well beyond being a total fucking idiot.
Ivan is too busy PM’ing ZEB about how awesome his response was, and too stupid to know otherwise. Maybe he just doesn’t realize that blowing ZEB on the internet is just as gay as blowing ZEB in a car. Does that make ZEB gay too?
Forlife honestly thinks any of these idiots will even listen to facts that refute their beliefs.
XI: Thou shalt not be a tool in my name.
Damn, looks like some of you will have to rot in hell now.
Another fine intellectualy gifted post from a low IQ God scoffing liberal…
[/quote]
Steveo,
I just responded to tme s post, and I realized that the only dumb thing I have done in this whole thread is respond to this fool and harris.
BTW - I thought the low IQ part of your post is particularly relevant considering who the recipiant is!
[quote]tme wrote:
Ok, for those of us keeping score…
ZEB is still a fag hating total fucking douchbag.[/quote]
Name calling.
More name calling.
Still name calling.
(yawn) Continues name calling.
Can’t think of anything else to write so …more name calling.
Consistent with the name calling
Wow tme you sure can call people names on the Internet.
Good job!
Hey we all name call on occasion. But you never quite get around to discussing the subject matter. Not one point which anyone above the age of 15 would consider on topic and pertinent to the discussion.
But then this is pretty consistent with your wonderful legacy on this site. Tell me again the difference between you and the typical teen troll?
Oh well, I knew someone had to take harris place on this thread (who is now actually at least trying to debate his point) as the new hate mongering politically correct liberal.
And you are it!
Please write back soon and continue to make no sense, othewise how would we recognize you?
Inability toward being monogamous (in general)[/quote]
Heterosexuals commit suicide, get depressed, spread disease, and sleep around too. Would you advocate denying them marriage because of this?
Again, you are being totally inconsistent and applying a double standard.
If you really cared about gays spreading disease (as opposed to being a homophobe with a religious agenda), you would ENCOURAGE them to marry, since government sanctioned unions have been shown to DECREASE the incidence of disease among gays:
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
[quote]forlife wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Homosexuality is sin. Those who practice homosexuality are in grevious sin.
Did you even bother to read what I wrote? Your bible also says that it is a sin for women to speak in church or have their heads uncovered.
Quit being a smorgasbord Christian, picking and choosing what you want to believe according to your own agenda.[/quote]
You are still clinging to portions of scripture which many, MANY, good honest and God-fearing Christians disagree on, but you are avoiding the parts that all Christians agree on.
You are so blind, it is laughable! And, since you are unable to prove your point with facts, you still attack religion. So very funny.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
High suicide rate.
High depression rate.
High disease spreading rate.
Inability toward being monogamous (in general)
Heterosexuals commit suicide, get depressed, spread disease, and sleep around too. Would you advocate denying them marriage because of this?
Again, you are being totally inconsistent and applying a double standard.
If you really cared about gays spreading disease (as opposed to being a homophobe with a religious agenda), you would ENCOURAGE them to marry, since government sanctioned unions have been shown to DECREASE the incidence of disease among gays:
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
[/quote]
I see now you cling to a flawed inconsisency argument. You must be desperite.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of depression than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher incident of disease than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have many, MANY, more sexual partners than heterosexuals (with the exception of Wilt Chamberlin who is right there with the homos)
The funniest part about your argement that homosexuality is normal is that if everyone was a homo 100 years ago, you wouldnt even be here today! Life would have ceased to exist! And now that we have gotten so scientificly advanced, you want to try to justify your nasty little habit by marrying other men. HA, HA, it aint gonna happen in this country - LOL!
Forlife, you are the most selfish person I have ever seen on these threads, and that says alot!
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
[/quote]
The various examples above are lies.
One more time that you have twisted statistics to suit your needs.
Read the truth:
[b]The legalization of homosexual marriage in Scandinavia was apparently followed by an increase in the heterosexual marriage rate and a decline in the divorce rate, but Kurtz shows that this is a manipulation of statistics.
The reason the Scandinavian divorce rate is getting lower is that relatively few marriages have been taking place, and Kurtz points out the obvious, “You can’t get divorced unless you first get married.”
In Denmark, the most “advanced” of the three countries, the proportion of cohabiting couples with children increased by 25 per cent during the decade when the institution of marriage was supposedly getting stronger.
During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.[/b]
Did everyone catch that?
In Denmark 60% of first-born children have unmarried parents!
Gay marriage harmed marriage in that country.
I thank GOD that Americans are voting down gay marriage in state wide voting faster than you can say “I do.”
So much for your trumped up facts on the positive benefits of gay marriage in other countries.
I suppose if no one ever got married the divorce rate would be really really low huh?
Gay marriage in Denmark denigrated the institution of marriage so that less people felt compelled to actually marry!
One more statistic for you:
Relatively few homosexuals chose to “marry” once it became possible to do so, and some homosexual leaders now admit that they are in principle opposed to the idea of marriage and supported it only as another means of gaining respectability.
And there lies the real reason that homosexuals like forlife are pushing so very hard for gay marriage!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Okay, time to burst your bubble once again!
forlife wrote:
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
The various examples above are lies.
One more time that you have twisted statistics to suit your needs.
Read the truth:
[b]The legalization of homosexual marriage in Scandinavia was apparently followed by an increase in the heterosexual marriage rate and a decline in the divorce rate, but Kurtz shows that this is a manipulation of statistics.
The reason the Scandinavian divorce rate is getting lower is that relatively few marriages have been taking place, and Kurtz points out the obvious, “You can’t get divorced unless you first get married.”
In Denmark, the most “advanced” of the three countries, the proportion of cohabiting couples with children increased by 25 per cent during the decade when the institution of marriage was supposedly getting stronger.
During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.[/b]
Did everyone catch that?
In Denmark 60% of first-born children have unmarried parents!
Gay marriage harmed marriage in that country.
I thank GOD that Americans are voting down gay marriage in state wide voting faster than you can say “I do.”
So much for your trumped up facts on the positive benefits of gay marriage in other countries.
I suppose if no one ever got married the divorce rate would be really really low huh?
Gay marriage in Denmark denigrated the institution of marriage so that less people felt compelled to actually marry!
One more statistic for you:
Relatively few homosexuals chose to “marry” once it became possible to do so, and some homosexual leaders now admit that they are in principle opposed to the idea of marriage and supported it only as another means of gaining respectability.
And there lies the real reason that homosexuals like forlife are pushing so very hard for gay marriage!
I’m here to keep you honest buddy. And also to get to 100 pages.
[/quote]
Yet again more nonsense from a jebus-freak website.
To use this guy’s reasoning, 9/11 might also be the reason for Scandinavian out-of-wedlock birthrates going up.
Gay marriage and out-of-wedlock birthrates do not have a causal relationship; they have a temporal one.
If, of course, these figures are true.
Which they are not. This Scandinavian bullshit has been propagated by the bigots, yet has no basis in reality.
Despite what Kurtz might say, the apocalypse has not yet arrived. In fact, the numbers show that heterosexual marriage looks pretty healthy in Scandinavia, where same-sex couples have had rights the longest. In Denmark, for example, the marriage rate had been declining for a half-century but turned around in the early 1980s. After the 1989 passage of the registered-partner law, the marriage rate continued to climb; Danish heterosexual marriage rates are now the highest they’ve been since the early 1970’s. And the most recent marriage rates in Sweden, Norway, and Iceland are all higher than the rates for the years before the partner laws were passed. Furthermore, in the 1990s, divorce rates in Scandinavia remained basically unchanged
and…
Kurtz’s argument fails both tests. From 1970 to 1980, the Danish nonmarital birth rate tripled, from 11 percent to 33 percent. Over the next 10 years, it rose again to 46 percent and then stopped rising in 1990s after the passage of the 1989 partnership law. Norway’s big surge occurred in the 1980’s, with an increase from 16 percent to 39 percent. In the decade after Norway recognized same-sex couples (in 1993), the nonmarital birth rate first rose slightly, then, after a couple of years, leveled off at 50 percent
Once again, Zeb cherry-picks faulty information to back up his religious views. What a shocker.
[b]The legalization of homosexual marriage in Scandinavia was apparently followed by an increase in the heterosexual marriage rate and a decline in the divorce rate, but Kurtz shows that this is a manipulation of statistics.
The reason the Scandinavian divorce rate is getting lower is that relatively few marriages have been taking place, and Kurtz points out the obvious, “You can’t get divorced unless you first get married.”
In Denmark, the most “advanced” of the three countries, the proportion of cohabiting couples with children increased by 25 per cent during the decade when the institution of marriage was supposedly getting stronger.
During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.[/b]
Did everyone catch that?
In Denmark 60% of first-born children have unmarried parents!
Gay marriage harmed marriage in that country.
I thank GOD that Americans are voting down gay marriage in state wide voting faster than you can say “I do.”
So much for your trumped up facts on the positive benefits of gay marriage in other countries.
I suppose if no one ever got married the divorce rate would be really really low huh?
Gay marriage in Denmark denigrated the institution of marriage so that less people felt compelled to actually marry!
One more statistic for you:
Relatively few homosexuals chose to “marry” once it became possible to do so, and some homosexual leaders now admit that they are in principle opposed to the idea of marriage and supported it only as another means of gaining respectability.
And there lies the real reason that homosexuals like forlife are pushing so very hard for gay marriage!
Yet again more nonsense from a jebus-freak website.
To use this guy’s reasoning, 9/11 might also be the reason for Scandinavian out-of-wedlock birthrates going up.
Gay marriage and out-of-wedlock birthrates do not have a causal relationship; they have a temporal one.
If, of course, these figures are true.
Which they are not. This Scandinavian bullshit has been propagated by the bigots, yet has no basis in reality.
Despite what Kurtz might say, the apocalypse has not yet arrived. In fact, the numbers show that heterosexual marriage looks pretty healthy in Scandinavia, where same-sex couples have had rights the longest. In Denmark, for example, the marriage rate had been declining for a half-century but turned around in the early 1980s. After the 1989 passage of the registered-partner law, the marriage rate continued to climb; Danish heterosexual marriage rates are now the highest they’ve been since the early 1970’s. And the most recent marriage rates in Sweden, Norway, and Iceland are all higher than the rates for the years before the partner laws were passed. Furthermore, in the 1990s, divorce rates in Scandinavia remained basically unchanged
and…
Kurtz’s argument fails both tests. From 1970 to 1980, the Danish nonmarital birth rate tripled, from 11 percent to 33 percent. Over the next 10 years, it rose again to 46 percent and then stopped rising in 1990s after the passage of the 1989 partnership law. Norway’s big surge occurred in the 1980’s, with an increase from 16 percent to 39 percent. In the decade after Norway recognized same-sex couples (in 1993), the nonmarital birth rate first rose slightly, then, after a couple of years, leveled off at 50 percent
Once again, Zeb cherry-picks faulty information to back up his religious views. What a shocker.[/quote]
We know how much you hate Jesus. We hear about it in every thread. But, when your only defence of your belief system is based on a hatred of Jesus, you have to admit that you don’t have much credibility.
And, as far as bigots go, you and forlife are the biggest bigots on this thread. You are so intolerant of Christians that you are incabable of posting anything that doesn’t bash a Christian. Bigotry at its finest!
One suggestion for you and forlife - go live in Scandanavia where you can be happy.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
You are still clinging to portions of scripture which many, MANY, good honest and God-fearing Christians disagree on, but you are avoiding the parts that all Christians agree on.
[/quote]
So your inconsistency in applying what the bible clearly teaches on women speaking in the church, having their heads covered, etc. is excused because lots of people similarly practice smorgasboard Christianity? Lol. Why not just admit that some of what is contained in the new testament no longer applies today?
Besides, there are many, MANY good honest and God-fearing people that do not push a homophobic agenda. As noted in the “Just the Facts About
Sexual Orientation & Youth:
A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel” statement:
[b]The most important fact about “transformational ministry” is that its view of homosexuality is not representative of the views of all people of faith. Many deeply religious people and a number of religious congregations and denominations are supportive and accepting of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people and their right to be protected from the discriminatory acts of others. For example, the following organizations have endorsed passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation:
American Ethical Union, American Friends Service Committee, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress, Church of the Brethren, Church Women United, Dignity/USA, Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Hadassah, WZOA, The Interfaith Alliance, Jewish Women International, National Council of Churches of Christ, USA, National Council of Jewish Women, North Georgia United Methodists, Presbyterian Church (USA), Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, Unitarian Universalist Association, United Church of Christ, United Methodist Church, Women of Reform Judaism, Young Women’s Christian Association[/b]
The above statement was signed by the following highly respected medical, mental health, and educational organizations:
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Counseling Association
American Association of School Administrators
American Federation of Teachers
American Psychological Association
American School Health Association
Interfaith Alliance Foundation
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Social Workers
National Education Association
Now are you going to bury your head in the sand again, or are you going to listen to professionals that actually know what they are talking about?
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of depression than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher incident of disease than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have many, MANY, more sexual partners than heterosexuals[/quote]
Are you an idiot, or what? How many times are you going to ignore my point? Here it is again:
Given that government sanctioned unions have been shown to DECREASE the incidence of disease among gays, if you really cared about accomplishing that goal you would support gay marriage/civil unions.
If everyone was a male 100 years ago, you wouldn’t even be here today! Life would have ceased to exist! So it must be bad to be male, right?
Think really hard and maybe you’ll discover the flaw in your logic.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
And, as far as bigots go, you and forlife are the biggest bigots on this thread. You are so intolerant of Christians that you are incabable of posting anything that doesn’t bash a Christian. Bigotry at its finest![/quote]
As I said earlier, I have many friends that are what I consider true Christians. You aren’t one of them. I see you as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, parading around with the name of Christ written on a stick that you use to beat down anyone that disagrees with your homphobic agenda. You are hateful, bigoted, arrogant, and stubborn minded. If there really is a Christ, I think you will be one of the people he talked about here:
[quote]Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”
Matthew 7:21-23 [/quote]
[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Okay, time to burst your bubble once again!
forlife wrote:
[b]After Denmark recognized same-sex couples in 1989, the marriage rate increased, the divorce rate fell and the rate of childbirths outside of marriage declined for the first time in decades?
Moreover, allowing same-sex couples to marry has a number of positive benefits. We interviewed a variety of Danish couples who had registered as partners. They told us how their legal unions deepened their commitment to each other, helped legally protect the children they were raising, enriched their relationships with family members and co-workers, and educated the community.
Our book documents the numerous social and community benefits from Scandinavian recognition of lesbian and gay partnerships. Because marriage and partnership serve private social welfare functions, legal recognition stands to save the state money. Recognition helps integrate lesbian and gay families into the larger society and helps attract productive workers to the country.
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
The Nordic nations have had marriage-like partnerships for 17 years now, and the sky did not fall.[/b]
The various examples above are lies.
One more time that you have twisted statistics to suit your needs.
Read the truth:
[b]The legalization of homosexual marriage in Scandinavia was apparently followed by an increase in the heterosexual marriage rate and a decline in the divorce rate, but Kurtz shows that this is a manipulation of statistics.
The reason the Scandinavian divorce rate is getting lower is that relatively few marriages have been taking place, and Kurtz points out the obvious, “You can’t get divorced unless you first get married.”
In Denmark, the most “advanced” of the three countries, the proportion of cohabiting couples with children increased by 25 per cent during the decade when the institution of marriage was supposedly getting stronger.
During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.[/b]
Did everyone catch that?
In Denmark 60% of first-born children have unmarried parents!
Gay marriage harmed marriage in that country.
I thank GOD that Americans are voting down gay marriage in state wide voting faster than you can say “I do.”
So much for your trumped up facts on the positive benefits of gay marriage in other countries.
I suppose if no one ever got married the divorce rate would be really really low huh?
Gay marriage in Denmark denigrated the institution of marriage so that less people felt compelled to actually marry!
One more statistic for you:
Relatively few homosexuals chose to “marry” once it became possible to do so, and some homosexual leaders now admit that they are in principle opposed to the idea of marriage and supported it only as another means of gaining respectability.
And there lies the real reason that homosexuals like forlife are pushing so very hard for gay marriage!
I’m here to keep you honest buddy. And also to get to 100 pages.
Yet again more nonsense from a jebus-freak website.[/quote]
You are a clown harris.
Any site that states anything other than two men should be boning each other is a “freaky religious site” to you.
[quote]To use this guy’s reasoning, 9/11 might also be the reason for Scandinavian out-of-wedlock birthrates going up.
Gay marriage and out-of-wedlock birthrates do not have a causal relationship; they have a temporal one.[/quote]
Ha ha…
No one said there was a “causal” effect. However, please name for me all of the other major social changes that took place in this country at the same time that would have that sort of effect.
Answer: NONE
If free candy were distributed each day to every family in one particular neighborhood for 3 months and at the end of that time tooth decay rose you couldn’t conclusively prove that it was the candy.
So…it’t NOT the candy?
Watch out folks!
These politically correct pro homosexuals are out to twist every single fact that they can get their hands on.
Why didn’t we see these type of stats before? Tell me what effected their system this way if not homosexual marriage.
Why don’t you explain it to us harris?
[quote]If, of course, these figures are true.
Which they are not. This Scandinavian bullshit has been propagated by the bigots, yet has no basis in reality.[/quote]
Yes, of course anyone who disagrees with the politically correct homosexual agenda is a bigot and full for shit.
Because certain facts don’t quite promote the homosexual agenda they have to be from bigots.
[b]You and your brother forlife operate under this misguided axiom:
“WHATEVER STATISTIC, FACT OR GENERAL TREND THAT IS WRITTEN OR STATED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THAT IS OF A NEGATIVE NATURE IS DONE SO WITHOUT A DOUBT BY A BIGOT AND HOMOPHOBE.”[/b]
And this is the very essence of political correctness. It replaces the truth with what “should” be true in the minds of the politically correct.
Facts, figures and trends which proves them wrong must be attacked, disgarded, twisted or ignored. In order to prove their original supposition
It’s a freaking disease!
All the nasty data just can’t be true because it’s not politically correct.
Tragic.
It turned around in the "early 80’s which has nothing to do with gay “marriage.”
You are the one who is cherry picking.
Did you miss this:
“The claim that the rate of heterosexual marriage increased also proves to be misleading, mainly because the marriage rate is so low that a small increase can create a statistical bump. In Denmark it appears that the increase in marriage is not due to young people’s embracing that institution but to the fact that people who have lived together for a long time, and who have children, at some point may finally decide to go through the formalities.”
And this…
“As Kurtz observes, the divorce rate is relatively insignificant where the marriage rate is low. The important statistic is the rate of “family breakup,” which includes people living together but not married. In places where careful studies have been made, cohabiting couples with children are more than twice as likely to separate than are married people. (What, after all, is the purpose of cohabitation, if not to allow an easy escape from the relationship?) During the period that Scandinavia has allowed homosexual marriage, the rate of out-of-wedlock births has also increased sharply. In Denmark sixty per cent of first-born children have unmarried parents.”
And this…
“Kurtz shows that the forces which led Scandinavia to accept homosexual marriages are the same as those which have led to the rapid decline of marriage itself. Scandinavia has definitively separated marriage from parenthood, so that people can be “married” if they think they are and can produce children without reference to marital status. The same “experts” who extol homosexual marriage also celebrate the fact that Scandinavians have moved “beyond” traditional marriage.”
And let’s not forget that with in four years of allowing gay “marriage” in the Netherlands it has also become legal to enter into a polygamist union!
That’s the sort of country harris and company want everyone to live in.
Let’s see how does it work harris?
I mean the real agenda:
Legalize Gay marriage
Legalize polygamy?
Legalize incestual unions?
(Use your imagination here)________
We have seen that the slippery slope has been proven to be correct in the Netherlands, why would it be any different here?
Keep swinging the bat for the wrong team harris, and I’ll keep striking you out!
The politically correct operate under this misguided axiom:
“WHATEVER STATISTIC, FACT OR GENERAL TREND THAT IS WRITTEN OR STATED ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THAT IS OF A NEGATIVE NATURE IS DONE SO WITHOUT A DOUBT BY A BIGOT AND HOMOPHOBE.”
And this is the very essence of political correctness. It replaces the truth with what “should” be true in the minds of the politically correct.
Facts, figures and trends which proves them wrong must be attacked, disgarded, twisted or ignored. In order to prove their original supposition
It’s a freaking disease!
All the nasty data just can’t be true because it’s not politically correct.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of depression than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have a much higher incident of disease than heterosexuals.
Homosexuals have many, MANY, more sexual partners than heterosexuals
Are you an idiot, or what? How many times are you going to ignore my point? Here it is again:[/quote]
Oh I think generally we all get your point. But, you are simply wrong.
[b]There is a difference between understanding someones point and agreeing with that point.
Just like there is a difference between tolerating someones lifestyle and fully accepting it with state sanction.[/b]
Think!
No such conclusive proof exists as to that brash statement. But of course you will make it anyway.
[quote]The funniest part about your argement that homosexuality is normal is that if everyone was a homo 100 years ago, you wouldnt even be here today! Life would have ceased to exist!
If everyone was a male 100 years ago, you wouldn’t even be here today! Life would have ceased to exist! So it must be bad to be male, right?[/quote]
Wow that was wild twist even for you forlife.
If we were all suddenly trees we would cease to exist as well. But then that has nothing to do with terribleivans original statement which is not at all silly. Esecially in light of what YOU are trying to promote.
I know you are a God hater (as you dicard anything that might get in the way of your lifestyle), but even nature tells us that two men cannot procreate. Hence terribleivan makes a legitimate point.
[quote]Think really hard and maybe you’ll discover the flaw in your logic.
[/quote]
As I stated his logic is sound. Your logic on the other hand is seriously flawed, both in action and word.
Maybe it’s you who should be thinking really hard.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
And, as far as bigots go, you and forlife are the biggest bigots on this thread. You are so intolerant of Christians that you are incabable of posting anything that doesn’t bash a Christian. Bigotry at its finest!
As I said earlier, I have many friends that are what I consider true Christians.[/quote]
Those must be the ones who disregard any mention of the Christian Bible rejecting homosexuality.
Yea…they’re great Christians…Regular Billy Grahams. NOT.
Or…he’s simply quoting parts of the Bible that disagree with your lifestyle and you really really hate it.
As I have already discussed on another post: Anyone who posts any sort of statistics, trends etc. which disagrees with the homosexual agenda is automatically a bigot. In this case the dispute is over the clearly stated lines in the Christian Bible.
But it could be about the very clearly stated statistics of the CDC regarding homosexuals and a much higher rate of disease. Or, it could be the fact that an average of 71% of all people who have already voted on gay marraige in 20 states have rejected it.
It matters not what the point is or how clearly you can say it or prove it…If you disagree with the homosexual agenda you are a bigot.
They are driven by something other than logic…>And we all know what it is.
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Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [/quote]
Yes, that’s true but it also says this:
[b]1Corinthians 6: 9 & 10
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders…will inherit the kingdom of God.
