Brokeback Propaganda

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
He had numereous wives and concubines, but during that period he accomplished nothing for God.[/quote]

So, just to set the record straight:

You were presenting Solomon’s marriage to many women of different races as a biblical justification for interracial marriage.

But you are now stating that Solomon’s marriage to these women was not sanctioned by god?

Moving on to the broader point:

What is your opinion on Abraham’s marriage to multiple women? Was Abraham similarly acting contrary to the spirit of god in doing so? Or did god actually sanction this blatant affront to “traditional marriage”?

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I think that pointing out sin as the poster was doing is not hypocritical to his religion.

Calling homosexuality a sin is not hypocritical. Making disparaging, hateful comments about gays is.
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Listen forlife, I don’t mind you pointing out my sins. I know that I am far short of what God wants me to be.

It reminds me of the verse that says “be ye angry and sin not”. I have a right to be angry with you for destroying the country my children will grow up in, but I don’t have the right to sin. Through my bad language, I have sinned, and I know that. So, am I a hypocrite? The answer is obviously no. I am just a sinner saved by grace.

So, get off your little “he’s a hypocrite” tirade. I’m still going to bash your silly little arguments.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I am looking at homsexual singles period.
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Bingo! And that is where your statistics are flawed. You are not looking at the health statistics for gays that are married, so your statistics are useless in determining the efficacy of government sanctioned gay unions. As I showed earlier:

We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Has God told you this?
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It’s in the bible. I can provide more references if you like.

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
He had numereous wives and concubines, but during that period he accomplished nothing for God.

So, just to set the record straight:

You were presenting Solomon’s marriage to many women of different races as a biblical justification for interracial marriage.

But you are now stating that Solomon’s marriage to these women was not sanctioned by god?

Moving on to the broader point:

What is your opinion on Abraham’s marriage to multiple women? Was Abraham similarly acting contrary to the spirit of god in doing so? Or did god actually sanction this blatant affront to “traditional marriage”?[/quote]

You do want a bible thread, don’t you.

Did you know that neither Abraham nor Solomon married a man? Why do you think that is? Answer:

BECAUSE HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD!

So, if you take nothing else away from this, remember this: God allowed lots of things to happen to his prophets, but one thing that he never allowed to happen was them sleeping with other men!

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Jesus changed all that. That is one reason why I mentioned that Jesus supported one man and one woman when he walked the earth 2000 years ago.[/quote]

So it was ok for Abraham to have a lot of wives, but it’s no longer ok? Abraham clearly doesn’t fit your definition of “traditional marriage”. He blatantly attempted to “change the definition of a 5,000 year old institution”. Imagine!

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Has God told you this?

It’s in the bible. I can provide more references if you like.[/quote]

Again, your biblcal interpreations lack credibility.

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I am looking at homsexual singles period.

Bingo! And that is where your statistics are flawed. You are not looking at the health statistics for gays that are married, so your statistics are useless in determining the efficacy of government sanctioned gay unions. As I showed earlier:

We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases. [/quote]

I see. So the cure for AIDS is homosexual unions. Hmmmm. I have another cure that would work - castration.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
So, in Leviticus, when God says that homosexuality is an abomination, Jesus is telling us the same thing.
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By that definition, Jesus must also be telling us not to wear mixed fibers in our clothing, not to eat shellfish, and not to eat our steaks rare. Or did Jesus just change his mind on those things?

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Through my bad language, I have sinned, and I know that.[/quote]

Cool.

Feel free to present any logical or empirical evidence you may have. I don’t mind discussing things with people in a mature, constructive manner even when we disagree.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Did you know that neither Abraham nor Solomon married a man?[/quote]

I never said they did. I was simply pointing out that both of them challenged the 5,000 year old traditional definition of marriage by having multiple wives.

I guess that if I similarly challenge that definition, I’m in good company.

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
So, in Leviticus, when God says that homosexuality is an abomination, Jesus is telling us the same thing.

By that definition, Jesus must also be telling us not to wear mixed fibers in our clothing, not to eat shellfish, and not to eat our steaks rare. Or did Jesus just change his mind on those things?[/quote]

That’s not what I got from when Jesus told us that all foods were good for meat. Hmmmm. I believe you are confused yet again, and not just in the bedroom this time.

[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
No one has even come close to proving a genetic link to homosexuality, therefore it is a choice.

It is a choice you made, not one you were born with.

I beat you by a minute. Go back and read the post immediately before yours and then take your foot out of your mouth. [/quote]

I did. Read mine.

A Meth addict has a different brain structure than a non addict. Does that mean Meth heads get special rights now as well?

Your argument is bullshit and based on the spoiled brat mentality. You are not genetically different than me. You just made different choices. You get no special rights based on choice.

Come back with definitive genetic proof - until then leave the MRI scans off the table. They are meaningless.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Again, your biblcal interpreations lack credibility.[/quote]

You mean the interpretation that Jesus told his followers to love others? I would love to see your evidence that Jesus didn’t make that one of his commandments.

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Through my bad language, I have sinned, and I know that.

Cool.

I’m still going to bash your silly little arguments.

Feel free to present any logical or empirical evidence you may have. I don’t mind discussing things with people in a mature, constructive manner.

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I spent about 50 pages of this thread discussing it with you and presenting great support. That method does not work on people who are so obsesed with the lust of the flesh that they would sell their mother’s soul for a horse ride on their loverboy.

So, you’re getting the Ann Coulter “say it how it is” treatment. I guess you’re not used to it are you?

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I see. So the cure for AIDS is homosexual unions. Hmmmm. I have another cure that would work - castration.[/quote]

Back to the mocking, disrespectful comments I see. You remind me a lot of the pharisees in the bible. They saw themselves as righteous, but they were so concerned with the letter of the law that they missed the real message of what Jesus was all about.

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Again, your biblcal interpreations lack credibility.

You mean the interpretation that Jesus told his followers to love others? I would love to see your evidence that Jesus didn’t make that one of his commandments.[/quote]

I never said that. You are confused yet again - it’s a product of your lifestyle choice.

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I see. So the cure for AIDS is homosexual unions. Hmmmm. I have another cure that would work - castration.

Back to the mocking, disrespectful comments I see. You remind me a lot of the pharisees in the bible. They saw themselves as righteous, but they were so concerned with the letter of the law that they missed the real message of what Jesus was all about.[/quote]

I never said I was righteous. Still confused huh?

Please tell us, what was Jesus’ real measage? I would like to hear it from you.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
A Meth addict has a different brain structure than a non addict. Does that mean Meth heads get special rights now as well? [/quote]

Keep reading. Did you get to the part about twin studies and direct genetic differences? I’ll be here when you get back (and your foot has been removed from said mouth):

Twin studies

In 1991, Bailey and Pillard studied three all male groups: identical twins, fraternal twins, and men with adoptive brothers.Of the 170 relatives examined, 52% of the identical twins were both gay, 22% of fraternal twins were both gay, and 11% of the adoptive brothers were both gay.

In 1992, Bailey and Pillard followed-up their experiment on homosexual men by studying identical twin, fraternal twin, and nongenetically related adopted sisters. As expected, their results mirrored those found in their gay brother study. Whereas only six percent of adopted sisters were both lesbian, sixteen percent of fraternal twin sisters and forty-eight percent of identical twin sisters were both lesbian . Clearly, the basis for a similar argument for predetermined homosexuality in women has been laid.

In 1993, Whitam, Diamond, & Martin found that 65% of identical twins were both gay, whereas only 29% of fraternal twins were gay.

Genetic differences

In 2004, Camperio-Ciani studied 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men and their relatives, which included more than 4,600 people overall. The female relatives on the mother’s side of the homosexual men tended to have more offspring than the female relatives on the father’s side. This suggests that women who pass on the gay trait to their male offspring are also more fertile. In comparison, the female relatives on both the mother’s and the father’s side of the heterosexual men did not appear to be as fertile, having fewer offspring.
In 2006, research published in the journal ?Human Genetics? found that the genetics of mothers of multiple gay sons act differently than those of other women. Scientists looked at 97 mothers of gay sons and 103 mothers without gay sons to see if there was any difference in how they handled their X chromosomes. They found that almost one fourth of the mothers who had more than one gay son processed X chromosomes in their bodies in the same way. Normally, women randomly process the chromosomes in one of two ways – half go one way, half go the other. The research “confirms that there is a strong genetic basis for sexual orientation, and that for some gay men, genes on the X chromosome are involved,” said study co-author Sven Bocklandt, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of California at Los Angeles. “When we looked at women who have gay kids, in those with more than one gay son, we saw a quarter of them inactivate the same X in virtually every cell we checked,” Bocklandt said. “That’s extremely unusual.”

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
There goes your case for all of the “oppressed” homosexuals having mental problems because society won’t sanction homosexual marriage.

Moot. Even if your claim were true, you are just falling into another logical fallacy.[/quote]

I think it demonstrates that the mental problems that homosexuals have are not created because they are not as well accepted in the US.

That you can derive any other conclusion from the statistics that I posted does not surprise me.

As I have stated in the past:

You left your family and your religion to live the life of a homosexual.

You must now do and say all you can to try to justify your actions.

None of your nonsense surprises me at this point.

You keep rambling and I’ll keep giving people the facts.

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