Brokeback Propaganda

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
1988

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Were black men born with their dicks in each other’s asses? No, they were born with black skin. Big difference.

But black men can CHOOSE not to marry white women. We all know the bible condemns interracial marriage, that it is unnatural, and that it is an insult to the traditional definition of marriage.

Black men should CHOOSE to marry women of their own race instead of wanting special rights!

Yes, bigots made the above argument decades ago and they used their bibles to justify their discrimination just like you are doing today.[/quote]

Again you try to show biblical knowledge, yet you are so off base. Did Solomon marry women from other nations? Was he not Solomon the wise - given the gift of wisdom by God and writer of the devinely inspired Proverbs and Ecclesiastes?

1989

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
EEEEEEGGGAGGHHHH! I can only imagine how much harm you did as a Christian missionary.[/quote]

Alas, you’re right. It is one of my biggest regrets that I spent two years turning other people into fundamentalists like myself. I’m doing my best to make restitution, though.

1990

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Brain differences?

LOL…That does not prove that it’s genetic!

Brain differences point to a biological difference beyond simple choice. [/quote]

Why do you want to force me to post all of the studies which demonstrate that homosexuality is an abnormality created in youth?

It has never been conclusively proven that homosexuality is either genetic or learned.

Pleaes give it up.

Although I’m glad you posted in a way. It gets us closer to two goals.

One is 100 pages.

Do you know what the other is?

1991

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I never once said that. If you think that I have please post it exactly as stated and I will apologize.

So you’re admitting that sanctioning gay marriage wouldn’t have any negative consequences for the country?[/quote]

Wait…before I answer that where is my apology for you mischaracterizing my point?

Did you simply lie in order to try to get a certain response from me?

How shameful.

Now apologize if you have an ounce of dignity left.

1992

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Newsflash for you forlife - Jesus doens’t expect us to be perfect - that’s why he died on the cross. You must have missed that point on your mission trips.[/quote]

You’re right…Jesus doesn’t expect you to be perfect. But he loves you and wants you to love others. Something to think about.

1993

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Again you try to show biblical knowledge, yet you are so off base. Did Solomon marry women from other nations? Was he not Solomon the wise - given the gift of wisdom by God and writer of the devinely inspired Proverbs and Ecclesiastes?
[/quote]

Heh, let’s talk about Solomon the wise. You do know how many wives he had right? Does that fit your definition of “traditional marriage”?

1994

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
EEEEEEGGGAGGHHHH! I can only imagine how much harm you did as a Christian missionary.

Alas, you’re right. It is one of my biggest regrets that I spent two years turning other people into fundamentalists like myself. I’m doing my best to make restitution, though.[/quote]

Ha, ha, ha. Even when your angry you still manage to bring some humor out of it.

1995

[quote]ZEB wrote:
It has never been conclusively proven that homosexuality is either genetic or learned.
[/quote]

That is a very different statement from the one you made earlier, which is that there is “ZERO evidence” for a genetic factor in homosexuality. Just keeping you honest, dear friend.

1996

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Newsflash for you forlife - Jesus doens’t expect us to be perfect - that’s why he died on the cross. You must have missed that point on your mission trips.

You’re right…Jesus doesn’t expect you to be perfect. But he loves you and wants you to love others. Something to think about.[/quote]

Wait a minute…you just spoke about Jesus in the present tense. So, deep down, you know he still lives, yet you mock him blatantly with your lifestyle.

In the words of the great Mr. T. “I pity the fool!”

1997

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Once again:

Black = genetic

Female = genetic

Homosexual = an action

Point it out as often as you like. You still haven’t addressed the basic logical fallacy, which is that if 3 things don’t share a particular feature in common, they therefore cannot share anything in common.

You are essentially saying:

Apple = red
Orange = orange
Grapefruit = yellow

Therefore, they have nothing in common!

Lol.

They are all fruits, they are all round, they all grow on trees, they all have peels, etc. They share many things in common, despite not having a common color.

Enough with the sophistry.[/quote]

That you will not accept that there is a difference between an “action” and the color of someones skin, or their gender speaks volumes about the twisted logic that you use. It is nothing more than rationalization reagrding your lifestyle and your desire to further that lifestyle by the legalization of homosexual marriage.

It makes no sense, it never has and thankfully about 70% of the population realizes this!

1998

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Wait…before I answer that where is my apology for you mischaracterizing my point?[/quote]

I don’t know that I did mischaracterize your point. I interpreted your statements exactly as described. However, if you are now admitting that sanctioning gay marriage wouldn’t have any negative consequences for the country, I gladly retract and apologize for my earlier statement.

1999

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You only want to use the Bible when you THINK it suits your purposes.

Just pointing out that YOUR bible condemns many of the mocking, hateful comments made in this thread. Whether or not I believe in your bible is irrelevant. The point is that people in this thread believe in it, and are acting contrary to its commandments in their treatment of gays. By any definition, that makes them hypocrites.[/quote]

I think that pointing out sin as the poster was doing is not hypocritical to his religion.

2000

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Again you try to show biblical knowledge, yet you are so off base. Did Solomon marry women from other nations? Was he not Solomon the wise - given the gift of wisdom by God and writer of the devinely inspired Proverbs and Ecclesiastes?

Heh, let’s talk about Solomon the wise. You do know how many wives he had right? Does that fit your definition of “traditional marriage”?[/quote]

would you like to turn this into a bible discussion thread?

Did you know that Solomon was effective for God when he was spiritual and humble? Then, he became inamored with the lust of the flesh. He had numereous wives and concubines, but during that period he accomplished nothing for God. And, at the end of his life, he repented and wrote a whole book about the worthlessness of spending your life trying to fullfill the lusts of your flesh.

Before you climb on your boyfriends back tonight, think about Solomon’s words - the lust of your flesh will die away and you will go with it.

2001

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Wait a minute…you just spoke about Jesus in the present tense. So, deep down, you know he still lives, yet you mock him blatantly with your lifestyle.
[/quote]

Actually, I was just speaking from your frame of reference :slight_smile: Even so, there are many people who currently believe in a Jesus that doesn’t condemn homosexuality. In fact, you won’t find a single homophobic statement from Jesus in the bible.

2002

[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You don’t want marriage for polygamists or incest if it is harmful. But you don’t mind homosexual marriage even though every single statistic from virtually anywhere you look places homosexuals at the BOTTOM of the ladder when it comes to health- both physical and mental!

As I pointed out earlier (and will continue to point out), your “statistics” are flawed because they completely ignore the positive effects of gay marriage.[/quote]

You have erred…again.

I am not comparing homosexual singles to heterosexual married people.

I am looking at homsexual singles period.

Now if I were to compare them to heterosexual singles what do you suppose we would find?

What we would find is that homosexuals lead the way in virtually every major communicable disease, including AIDS, STD’s and a host of others.

Now how do you suppose that that could happen given the fact that homosexuals represent only about 2% of the total population.

2% of the population is repsonsible for 65% of all new HIV cases! And a host of other diseases.

No…I’m not comparing them to married people. I don’t have to to make my point.

2003

[quote]forlife wrote:
since the person he claims to worship chastises him for being hateful.
[/quote]

Has God told you this?

2004

[quote]ZEB wrote:
That you will not accept that there is a difference between an “action” and the color of someones skin, or their gender speaks volumes about the twisted logic that you use.[/quote]

Are you being deliberately dense or what? Even if I accepted your premise that homosexuality isn’t genetic like skin color and gender, your point is MOOT. Being dissimilar on ONE FEATURE doesn’t imply in any sense that 3 objects are dissimilar on ALL FEATURES. Read the example of 3 fruits, and actually think about it this time.

[quote]It makes no sense, it never has and thankfully about 70% of the population realizes this!
[/quote]

You must have missed the fact that it is now down to 50%. You do realize that the number of people opposed to gay marriage has DECREASED over time, right? And I’m not only talking about other countries. It is true here in the U.S. as well.

For example, the Pew Research Center recently found in March, 2006:

"Public acceptance of homosexuality has increased in a number of ways in recent years, though it remains a deeply divisive issue. Half of Americans (51%) continue to oppose legalizing gay marriage, but this number has declined significantly from 63% in February 2004, when opposition spiked following the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision and remained high throughout the 2004 election season. Opposition to gay marriage has fallen across the board, with substantial declines even among Republicans.

These are among the results of the latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted among 1,405 adults from March 8-12. The poll also finds less opposition to gays serving openly in the military and a greater public willingness to allow gays to adopt children. A 60% majority now favors allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, up from 52% in 1994, and 46% support gay adoption, up from 38% in 1999.
"

Imagine that…

MORE Americans now favor gay marriage than ever before.

MORE Americans now favor gays serving openly in the military.

MORE Americans now favor allowing gays to adopt children.

Maybe there’s some hope for our country after all.

It’s time to stop spewing outdated statistics. Opposition to gays has fallen across the board as people begin to recognize the discrimination and bigotry that has been perpetrated in the past.

http://people-press.org/...p3?ReportID=273

2005

[quote]forlife wrote:
I also noticed that you never answered my question about father Abraham being a polygamist, and bucking the “traditional marriage” trend. Was Abraham being a bad boy?[/quote]

Jesus changed all that. That is one reason why I mentioned that Jesus supported one man and one woman when he walked the earth 2000 years ago. However, marriage as an institution is actually much older than that, more like 5000+ years.

Tell me why again we should change that 5000+ year old institution for such a tiny percentage of the population?

I have yet to read any good reasons.

2006

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think that pointing out sin as the poster was doing is not hypocritical to his religion.
[/quote]

Calling homosexuality a sin is not hypocritical. Making disparaging, hateful comments about gays is.

2007

[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Wait a minute…you just spoke about Jesus in the present tense. So, deep down, you know he still lives, yet you mock him blatantly with your lifestyle.

Actually, I was just speaking from your frame of reference :slight_smile: Even so, there are many people who currently believe in a Jesus that doesn’t condemn homosexuality. In fact, you won’t find a single homophobic statement from Jesus in the bible.[/quote]

Actually, if you want to be technical, you are wrong. Jesus equated himself with God, and God is the devine inspiration for the bible. So, in Leviticus, when God says that homosexuality is an abomination, Jesus is telling us the same thing.

Wow, you really didn’t learn much from your mission trips did you?