[quote]terribleivan wrote:
I spent about 50 pages of this thread discussing it with you and presenting great support.[/quote]
Presenting your version of the bible as “great support” doesn’t win you many points in an objective debate. The misogynists and black-haters also used the bible to support their bigotry.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Newsflash for you forlife - Jesus doens’t expect us to be perfect - that’s why he died on the cross. You must have missed that point on your mission trips.
You’re right…Jesus doesn’t expect you to be perfect. But he loves you and wants you to love others. Something to think about.[/quote]
And since YOU are preaching to us (sort of like Al Capone teaching a class at the police academy).
He wants YOU to repent!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
There goes your case for all of the “oppressed” homosexuals having mental problems because society won’t sanction homosexual marriage.
Moot. Even if your claim were true, you are just falling into another logical fallacy.
I think it demonstrates that the mental problems that homosexuals have are not created because they are not as well accepted in the US.
That you can derive any other conclusion from the statistics that I posted does not surprise me.
As I have stated in the past:
You left your family and your religion to live the life of a homosexual.
You must now do and say all you can to try to justify your actions.
None of your nonsense surprises me at this point.
You keep rambling and I’ll keep giving people the facts.
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You hit the nail on the head Zeb. This guy just wants to justify his actions to make himself feel good about his choice (that’s right, I called it a choice). For every guy like him who chose to go from a straight lifestyle to a gay lifestyle, there is another guy who went from a gay lifestyle to a straight lifestyle.
Lust of the flesh - a terrible weakness.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Again you try to show biblical knowledge, yet you are so off base. Did Solomon marry women from other nations? Was he not Solomon the wise - given the gift of wisdom by God and writer of the devinely inspired Proverbs and Ecclesiastes?
Heh, let’s talk about Solomon the wise. You do know how many wives he had right? Does that fit your definition of “traditional marriage”?[/quote]
As I have told you repeatedly (does a.d.d mean anything to you?) Jesus Christ changed all of that.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It has never been conclusively proven that homosexuality is either genetic or learned.
That is a very different statement from the one you made earlier, which is that there is “ZERO evidence” for a genetic factor in homosexuality. Just keeping you honest, dear friend.[/quote]
And I am your friend too.
That’s why I’m trying to help you.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
That’s not what I got from when Jesus told us that all foods were good for meat. Hmmmm. I believe you are confused yet again, and not just in the bedroom this time.[/quote]
Then you need to read your bible a little more closely. Remember quoting Leviticus earlier, and saying it represented the words of Jesus?
Leviticus 11:10 on eating shellfish:
Leviticus 19:19 on wearing mixed fibers:
Leviticus 17:12 on eating blood:
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Please tell us, what was Jesus’ real measage? I would like to hear it from you.[/quote]
He said the two great commandments were to love god and to love your fellow men. The core of his teachings was about love.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Wait…before I answer that where is my apology for you mischaracterizing my point?
I don’t know that I did mischaracterize your point. I interpreted your statements exactly as described. However, if you are now admitting that sanctioning gay marriage wouldn’t have any negative consequences for the country, I gladly retract and apologize for my earlier statement.[/quote]
You said something on the order that I said the world is going to come to and end and other tragic events if gay marriage were legalized.
This is what you must apologize for. Or, you can prove that I stated such a thing.
Now…go back and check this thread, you will not find any words that look like those from me.
You really must apologize before you can go on.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You keep rambling and I’ll keep giving people the facts.
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Like the fact that government sanctioned unions will decrease the incidence of AIDS and other STDs in gays? Sounds like a worthy cause to me!
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases.
[quote]forlife wrote:
In fact, you won’t find a single homophobic statement…[/quote]
He used the word “homophobic.”
That just makes me smile.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
As I have told you repeatedly (does a.d.d mean anything to you?) Jesus Christ changed all of that.
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But I thought god doesn’t change:
[quote]Malachi 3:6
For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.[/quote]
Regardless, you still haven’t answered the question. If traditional marriage has been around for 5,000 years, Abraham directly tried to change that definition when he had multiple wives. So maybe changing the definition of traditional marriage isn’t such a bad thing?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You really must apologize before you can go on.
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Are you claiming that gay marriage would have negative consequences for the country or not?
If not, I gladly apologize. If so, it seems my interpretation of your words was correct.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
He used the word “homophobic.”
That just makes me smile.
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This is the kind of blather I’m talking about, when I know I’ve scored a point. You just ignore the point, and make an innocuous comment because you don’t have a compelling response.
Nice try…but I’m onto you.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
I spent about 50 pages of this thread discussing it with you and presenting great support.
Presenting your version of the bible as “great support” doesn’t win you many points in an objective debate. The misogynists and black-haters also used the bible to support their bigotry.[/quote]
You should go back and re-read. I only discussed the bible because you went into the subject.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
That you will not accept that there is a difference between an “action” and the color of someones skin, or their gender speaks volumes about the twisted logic that you use.
Are you being deliberately dense or what? Even if I accepted your premise that homosexuality isn’t genetic like skin color and gender, your point is MOOT. Being dissimilar on ONE FEATURE doesn’t imply in any sense that 3 objects are dissimilar on ALL FEATURES.[/quote]
And simply because they are not dissimilar on all features does not mean that they should be considered the same either.
It depends on the poll that you look at. I think the one that I quoted was from CNN and USA Today.
Some do show that those against gay marriage are as low as 55%. I’m not concerned as all we need is one simple out pouring of “gay logic” to be seen on national TV and the polls will go back up.
What is even more important than the polls are the referendums that were held recently in several states. On a poll the question is sort of meaningless:
“Do you think that homosexuals should have the right to marry?”
(Some say) “Well…I suppose that wouldn’t hurt anything huh?”
BUT when it comes to their state they say NO FREAKING WAY! Voting in some instances is 75% against homosexual marriage.
That shows you what’s really going on inside their heads.
Sort of like everyone in the country claiming in polls that congressmen should not run for more than two terms. But when it comes to voting for their own congressman they continue to reelect him…
So it’s all about what you really want to go on in YOUR neighborhood that I’ll be counting on.
And of course the way you guys present yourselves always helps my side too.
I’ll make a prediction right now if you like.
There will be no gay marriage. P E R I O D.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I think that pointing out sin as the poster was doing is not hypocritical to his religion.
Calling homosexuality a sin is not hypocritical. Making disparaging, hateful comments about gays is.
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For me to agree with that statement I would have to read exactly what YOU think is hateful.
It is not against any Christian law that I’m aware of to voice your hate regarding sin.
But again, it depends on what is said and how it is said.
[quote]forlife wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Please tell us, what was Jesus’ real measage? I would like to hear it from you.
He said the two great commandments were to love god and to love your fellow men. The core of his teachings was about love.
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See! You missed the entire point of the new testament! That is why you failed in your faith!
Go back and re-read the new testament, and come back with the real life changing message that Jesus wants everyone to know.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You really must apologize before you can go on.
Are you claiming that gay marriage would have negative consequences for the country or not?
If not, I gladly apologize. If so, it seems my interpretation of your words was correct.[/quote]
Don’t let the confusion set in again forlife - gay marriage would have a horrible impact on this country. I would hate to see my children suffer like that.
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I am looking at homsexual singles period.
Bingo! And that is where your statistics are flawed. You are not looking at the health statistics for gays that are married, so your statistics are useless in determining the efficacy of government sanctioned gay unions. As I showed earlier:
We also found that partnership recognition contributed to the success of Scandinavian programs to prevent AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases. [/quote]
Then tell me why heterosexual singles do not have the disgraceful mental and physical health stats that homosexual singles do?
[quote]forlife wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Has God told you this?
It’s in the bible. I can provide more references if you like.[/quote]
Provide them.