Brock Turner and Rape in General

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So it sounds like eye-witnesses put this case in the bag… again, happy to call him a shithead and a rapist.

That said, I think I’m so quick to defend because people blow cases like this way out of proportion, calling for the rapist’s death, castration, decades in prison etc. To put it in perspective, I see rape as an act of theft (taking what’s not been given) and assault. Outside of the middle east we don’t hear about people losing a hand for stealing these days… or getting the death penalty for kicking someone’s ass… yet it’s perfectly acceptable to take such extreme stances on punishing rapists.

Again I think rape is a terrible crime, and I have zero sympathy for offenders… but I think “the masses” have a tenancy to get a bit hysterical over the subject.

Is 6 months in prison a reasonable punishment for a first time offender? I don’t know… what kind of time does the typical first time offender get for assault and theft?

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So if we strapped you down, lined your asshole up with a dildo on a piston, flipped the switch, and let it go to town until it runs out of gas you’d see that just as a theft of, what, your anal virginity?

Some of the posts on this site are just ludicrous.

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Are you freaking serious?

Looks like I just answered my own question.

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Yes, you would be guilty of stealing my sweet butt loving… and guilty of assaulting me.

As a heart attack… if someone raped me (my fiance, even my daughter)… the only retribution I would seek would be an ass whooping (to a degree that would probably hospitalize the offender). Death, decades in prison, castration? I’m sorry, the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

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I’m not sure what to say to the first person I’ve ever encountered who believes rapists are treated unfairly by the courts. Let’s try this from another angle.

In my state of Maine a person can defend themselves against a rape attempt with lethal force. You can (and, in my opinion, should) put a bullet in the motherfucker’s head, stab him in the eye with your keys, hit, claw, bite and generally fight that person with any and all available means.

Do you believe that aspect of lethal force law is unfair to rapists?

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I’m at a complete loss for words myself…

There have been some real whopper posts on here, but this has got to be up there on the batshit nuts/troll scale.

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Not at all… I believe lethal force is a reasonable expectation for anyone put in a position to defend themselves.

Defending yourself, and the dispensing of justice are two entirely different things though.

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Sooooo if you have the ability to kill your attacker in self-defense during the attack that’s cool, but if you don’t have the ability to defend yourself and your attacker isn’t caught until after the fact then 6 months in jail is punishment enough?

Does not compute.

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I didn’t say they were treated unfairly by the courts… but rather by “the masses”. i.e. Facebook, instagram etc… everyone is saying “kill or castrate that fucker” “life in prison” etc. Read: over-reacting a tad.

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Oh but it does. In a situation where you’re defending yourself (in the heat of the moment), anything can happen and that should be allowed for. However, in a courtroom… in every instance (short of murder or high treason) the punishment is fines/imprisonment (not capital punishment).

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Think back a bit and try to remember when you wrote what I’m quoting below. You certainly gave the impression that courts are unfairly punishing rapists.

The words I read here seemed to indicate that, at minimum, you felt anything over 10 years in prison was unfair to rapists and that an “ass whooping” was sufficient punishment. Did I misunderstand you somehow?

Words like this are why you’re coming across as an advocate for rapists.

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No one is put to death by the state for rape in this country… Certainly not for a long time if ever, but to you 6 months in jail is adequate for one of the must vile acts a person can perform on another person. That’s just bonkers.

Honestly, I think you’re full of shit, but whatever.

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I can see how that would be inferred, but was not what I intended.

I think the punishment should be relative to the crime. If murderers walk in less than 10 years, it would have to be a pretty heinous rape (vicious beating, repeat offender, known to have std’s etc) to warrant a decade in prison.

Again, not the intent… but rather to keep things in perspective… many think like this:

I’m sorry, but I’d say murder is more vile…

People get really passionate about rape… I get that, it is disgusting… but people are quick to call for an offender’s head (quite literally)… in this case, the court thought 6 month’s was a just punishment… I don’t know all the facts, but from my very limited/superficial knowledge of the case, it sounds like:

1.) This was a drunk, young, first time offender

I don’t know about you… but in my younger years, I’ve done shit that I wasn’t proud of when extremely intoxicated (beat the shit out of people, damaged property, put others lives in danger by driving etc)… No, I never raped anyone… but I have made bad decisions under the influence of alcohol… decisions I wouldn’t have made sober… decisions that I regret and have taught me to control my alcohol consumption.

2.) She wasn’t badly hurt (abrasions, presumably from positioning her is all I hear)

The lack of injury tells me this was a crime of “passion” rather than “violence”. Again… without all the facts, I can’t tell you how much malice or intent to harm he displayed, but on the surface it doesn’t sound like too much. My understanding is that many rapists, use the act as means of violence, asserting dominance etc… this sounds more like the actions of a drunk/horny college kid.

3.) She wasn’t even conscious to refuse

Again, lack of non-consent does not equal consent… wouldn’t you say the rapist who imposes himself on someone who’s fighting and telling them to stop, is a different type of criminal than the opportunistic fuck going after “ninja sex”? I get that you could argue the latter is just as despicable… but again which is likely more dangerous?

Again, this is all from my very limited and superficial knowledge of the case… (most of which gleamed from here and social media)… it sounds like a drunk kid made the mistake of giving in to his base nature by taking advantage of a pretty girl who passed out. There was no pre-meditation… no roofies… no aggravation/women hating douche baggery (i.e. beating on her etc).

Does that mean he’s not a rapist? Nope… but I would say (at least at this point) he’s in an entirely different category than someone like Jeffery Dahmer.

I’m not a judge… I don’t follow these kind of cases… was his sentence too lenient? It sounds like the overwhelming consensus is yes… but some of the punishments that people call for are utterly ridiculous.

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Well you’ve clarified your position, but I’m not going to unpack everything you wrote.

I will, however, encourage you to further contemplate the gravity of rape and the effect it has on victims and their loved ones.

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I was gonna write a nice long rebuttal, but I’m gonna pass…

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Fair enough… I’m a privileged american with very limited direct personal experience on the subject. If fact, the closest I’ve ever experienced was with a german “buddy” of mine.

We went out on the town, drinking, snorting coke etc… talking up and dancing with ladies at the club… anyway, we ended up painting the town red, only to take a cab back to his crib to crash.

Come to find out, he had “intentions” toward me… as I was rudely awoken at 4 in the morning with my pants around my ankles… thankfully I wasn’t so far trashed that his efforts went unnoticed… but it took “no” “hell no” and ultimately popping him in the nose to drive the point home that I didn’t “play for that team”. Had I been too far gone and he got his “date rape” on… do you think I would’ve pressed charges? Nope, probably would’ve beat his ass, and taken mine to the clinic for some thorough STD testing… blaming myself for that shit… not demanding that he spend decades in prison for taking advantage of me.

Would you act any differently?

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I would have refused unwelcome sexual advances, same as you.

If a rape or attempted rape had occurred, yes, I would have acted differently. I would have filed a police report and sought to press charges.

Someone who will do that once will do it again. Ever consider that?

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It WAS attempted rape… he pulled my pants down when I was unconscious… I woke to him attempting to position me for entry. If initiating sexual intercourse without express consent isn’t attempted rape, I don’t know what is.

Honestly no, I would’ve been far too embarrassed to tell anyone had it happened, in fact, only a very small handful of my closest friends/family ever heard about the attempt… and if it weren’t for the anonymity of this forum, I’d never be sharing even this much. Read: pride would (and apparently did) prevent from doing the right thing.

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I’m going back to this. Paduse, if someone wants to fantasize about me naked or even degraded while he masturbates, that to me is taking what I have not given. When you ENTER MY BODY you have done more than steal from me or assault me. You have violated and defiled me in a way no punch could ever do, for all sorts of reasons. Some of them are inherent to me as a woman - my sense of safety, my freedom from disease or pregnancy, and so on. Others are to do with the societal taboo against “allowing” oneself to be defiled, which you speak to regarding your own experience.

Rape is notoriously under-punished from many people’s view, which is due more to the difficulty of prosecuting these cases than disinterest in punishing known perpetrators. This case is getting the attention it is because there is very little doubt about the events of that night, and yet this rapist will probably serve three months (THREE months of the six sentenced).

I don’t call for anyone’s head or say death is too good. I would just like to see the perfectly fine laws we do have enforced. Castration? I suppose I would be down for a repeat-offender castration thing, sure. Particularly for child sex offenders. But I digress.

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Actually, I don’t disagree completely with this post. The common response when people suggest that young women who have been sexually assaulted should have taken more responsibility for their own safety is that they are “blaming the victim.”

But it does a great disservice to young women to not teach them to be careful about their own security. When I see the campus rape march candle light take back the night whatever, I’m always disconcerted by the tone, because it comes off to me as “I should be able to get as drunk as I want whenever I want, without consequences.” And yeah, you should, but unfortunately we live in reality. So look after yourself, and your friends.

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