Britan Adopts Sharia Law

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.

Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go basually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.

No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.[/quote]

That is a commonly used term in the UK. I thought the W word was the derogatory one. Besides it’s not like people on this board have not used p-- to refer to themselves.

I don’t know any black people who use the er form of the N word and I have lived in the hood. Whether or not a black person takes offense is dependent upon contextual use and if they like you. I’ve seen a cute little white girl imitate Snoop Dogg to some brothers and have them rolling in laughter.

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I’m glad we sorted this crap out on July 4, 1776.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m glad we sorted this crap out on July 4, 1776.[/quote]

Basically, you sorted it out by not engaging in a global imperialistic adventure on the scale of and using the methods of Britain.

When you start declaring that people on the other side of the planet with totally different cultures “subjects to Her Majesty”, you need special laws to make it work.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
I’m glad we sorted this crap out on July 4, 1776.

Basically, you sorted it out by not engaging in a global imperialistic adventure on the scale of and using the methods of Britain.

When you start declaring that people on the other side of the planet with totally different cultures “subjects to Her Majesty”, you need special laws to make it work. [/quote]

What the hell are you talking about? Try making some sense.

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I think in a nutshell, the Founding Fathers told King George that he, his taxes, and the Church of England could go F*ck themselves :wink:

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.

Not to split hairs, but the word paki is in fact an Urdu word meaning “pure” or “clean”.
[/quote]

I giggled.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I think in a nutshell, the Founding Fathers told King George that he, his taxes, and the Church of England could go F*ck themselves ;)[/quote]

The point I was trying to make, was that the arbitration laws weren’t created yesterday in vaccum. They derive from a particular context different from the one in the US at the time.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
makkun wrote:

It’s a racist term and doesn’t belong here. Not a surprise, but a new low.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki

Makkun

(From the article)

The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.

The mind conjures images of hip young Pakistani Londoners greeting one another with low fives and hearty exclamations of “what’s up, my Paki?”

[…]

Not to split hairs, but the word paki is in fact an Urdu word meaning “pure” or “clean”. [/quote]

Anyone in Britain - and with strong ties to Britain, as professed by Sifu several times - knows exactly what it means. It’s the N-word for Asians, and your high five example is indeed a good and funny parallel.

While PRCalDude is right and this isn’t on topic - it’s still offensive and has been recognised by the Mods as such. Not more not less - Sifu has been called out for it, it’s been edited. I would think we can close this issue now.

Makkun

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.

Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go casually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.

No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.

That is a commonly used term in the UK. I thought the W word was the derogatory one. Besides it’s not like people on this board have not used p-- to refer to themselves.

I don’t know any black people who use the er form of the N word and I have lived in the hood. Whether or not a black person takes offense is dependent upon contextual use and if they like you. I’ve seen a cute little white girl imitate Snoop Dogg to some brothers and have them rolling in laughter. [/quote]

It’s not a commonly used word in the UK! The only people who use it are BNP sympathisers and 90 year olds who don’t know any better having grown up in an age of widespread and publicly acceptable racism.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Just as they can and are being done now by their communities - no matter if christian, jewish or whatever else.

Let’s not forget that this is a common phenomenon, not just a ‘muslim’ one.

Makkun

My friend, it is because I know it happens in all walks of life that this makes me apprehensive. This opens the door for other crazies.[/quote]

Yes, in a way it does - it opens the door for religious communities to use the rules of arbitration to settle civil matters out of court. As an atheist, I’m opposed to giving religious organisations special rights (‘faith based initiatives anyone’?). As a pluralist, I go - hey, why not? There is no legal difference to Beth Din courts, which are just as unpredictable - but if people choose to use them for the sake of their beliefs, and the law allows it, that’s fine with me.

If you read the Home Office, British Crime Survey and Women’s Aid pages, you’ll see that the problem of spousal abuse and domestic violence is rife - every week two women get killed by their partners or ex-partners. There’s no indication in the stats so far that this could be a ‘muslims only’ problem. When someone commits a violent crime btw in the UK, the police does not need the victim to complain - they can act independently and after the complaint has been pulled back. Nikiforos is bang on about the distinction between civil arbitration and applying the law.

If you read up on it, you’ll find out that the longest serving sharia court has been active in Britain since 1982 - and it’s mostly annulling religious marriages which are unhappy. Which pretty much counters the points implied here. Yes, they are just as much a gamble to find a good and women friendly beth din court - but that’s religious organisations for you.

There is an overwhelming consensus here among a majority of posters in the politics forum that Islam per se is dangerous, and that ‘Europe’ and Britain are on the verge of a muslim invasion. That assertion is the reason why anything that looks like an integrative measure is being touted as a pro-muslim conspiracy.

The Archbishop of Canterbury - mostly under fire by evangelicals for his modern stance on homosexuality - and a number of high law officials in the UK have outlined exactly in which context civil sharia arbitration is to be applied - and it is being done as such: a civil matter. If laws are broken the police and the CPS get into gear.

So in a nutshell: I’m actually opposed to religious arbitration, whatever religion it is, as I think religion is dangerous and outdated. But as someone who doesn’t believe in shipping ethnic and religious minorities off anywhere (my German history gives me too many heartwarming examples of where that leads) I’m willing to give this a go.

Makkun

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[quote]ninearms wrote:
Sifu wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.

Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go casually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.

No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.

That is a commonly used term in the UK. I thought the W word was the derogatory one. Besides it’s not like people on this board have not used p-- to refer to themselves.

I don’t know any black people who use the er form of the N word and I have lived in the hood. Whether or not a black person takes offense is dependent upon contextual use and if they like you. I’ve seen a cute little white girl imitate Snoop Dogg to some brothers and have them rolling in laughter.

It’s not a commonly used word in the UK! The only people who use it are BNP sympathisers and 90 year olds who don’t know any better having grown up in an age of widespread and publicly acceptable racism.[/quote]

Bullocks it is a very commonly used term in the UK. If you really want to go down that road I would say that despite what Lixy’s recent post from the BBC might lead you to believe it is a lot more widely than the term “redneck” is used to refer to Americans there.

A couple of months ago a good friend of mine lost his best friend who I was also friends with in Afghanistan. I don’t care about the sensitivities of the Pakistanis anymore. My entire family has been through the tube stations that were blown up on 7/7 that shit hit too close to home. This mentality that the occassional bomb on a bus or train is a small price that we have to pay in order to provide them with a wealthy country to emigrate to is a bunch of bullocks.

When the lab/lib/con parties are falling over themselves to be islamic sympathisers the only place for the British people to have their voice heard on the issue of the islamisation of Britain is the BNP. Your criticism of the BNP shows your sympathies are with the muslims and not with the British.

But since you keep accusing me of BNP sympathies in order to predjudice people against me you leave me with no alternative other than go to their website and bring over a copy of their manifesto. So people can decide for themselves what is so bad about the BNP.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/08/policies-manifesto/

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You forgot all the stuff they don’t put on there…You know, the stuff about their widely known links with Combat 18, RedWatch, the National Front, the Klan…

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According to its constitution, the BNP is “committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration[…]”.

And let’s not even go into Tyndall’s words and ideas.

It seems to be a party for the folks that were screwed over by Thatcher to rally around. You know…the classic “they took our jobs”.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Sifu wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.

Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go casually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.

No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.

That is a commonly used term in the UK. I thought the W word was the derogatory one. Besides it’s not like people on this board have not used p-- to refer to themselves.

I don’t know any black people who use the er form of the N word and I have lived in the hood. Whether or not a black person takes offense is dependent upon contextual use and if they like you. I’ve seen a cute little white girl imitate Snoop Dogg to some brothers and have them rolling in laughter.

It’s not a commonly used word in the UK! The only people who use it are BNP sympathisers and 90 year olds who don’t know any better having grown up in an age of widespread and publicly acceptable racism.

Bullocks it is a very commonly used term in the UK. If you really want to go down that road I would say that despite what Lixy’s recent post from the BBC might lead you to believe it is a lot more widely than the term “redneck” is used to refer to Americans there…[/quote]

It’s ‘bollocks’ btw. I’m surprised you fucked up that piece of vintage slang twice - I thought you were supposed to be an authority on Britain and the British.

I said you were a disgrace but worse than a disgrace, you’re a coward - because you keep trying to downplay the use of the word ‘paki’. As if it is somehow acceptable in modern British society. This is fucking ridiculous and nobody is buying it. It is, as previously mentioned, the exact equivalent of the word n*gger…a word which is grossly offensive in most contexts 95% of the time…as if people casually mention that the bloke on the supermarket checkout is ‘a paki’, or that they should go and speak to ‘the paki’ or, ‘well you know, they’re ok but at the end of the day they’re still a bunch of pakis’…

What do you think the BNP used to write on their placards and posters before they tried out their mid 90’s facelift? Hint - it wasn’t ‘pakistanni go home’…

But you know this, of course you do. You know it isn’t ‘just a contraction, like yank or Brit’ (that was fuckin weak). If you’re gonna fly your colors, come out as the BNP poster boy, then have the the balls - or bollocks - to do it good and proper. Otherwise you sound as stupid as someone who calls blacks n*ggers - like they mean it - and refuses to admit how sick it is.

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Sifu, you can defend your use of the term “paki” as much as you want. Even if it is acceptable in Britain, this is not a British board. People from all over the world use this site.

I respectfully ask that you all just drop it and the term isn’t used again.

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[quote]red bull wrote:
It’s ‘bollocks’ btw. I’m surprised you fucked up that piece of vintage slang twice - I thought you were supposed to be an authority on Britain and the British. [/quote]

Twice? Think again. I pointed that out on a thread about the same topic.

https://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/british_raceimmigration_issues?pageNo=2#2151720

[quote]lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Bullocks.

If you’re gonna use British words in an attempt to increase your “UK politics expert” cred, at least learn to spell them correctly. [/quote]

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[quote]ninearms wrote:
You forgot all the stuff they don’t put on there…You know, the stuff about their widely known links with Combat 18, RedWatch, the National Front, the Klan…[/quote]

Party membership is restricted to whites. They want to revoke citizenship rights from all non European whites and turn them into “permanent guests”. The party was founded by fascists.

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Well, I doubt the demographic trends will change. What’s the projection for muslims to become the majority?

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Never, ever, ever is the projection. Muslims have been in the UK since the 1800s, and still only make up 3% of the population.