Hey, sorry to hijack, no pun intended, but did anyone see the Dateline Special on the British Cell which was planning to bomb 5 commercial airplanes over the Atlantic. (A plot some readers here dismissed as merely sensationalist?)
All the pieces of the attack were in place and ready to go…If it wasn’t for excellent police work, they WOULD have done it.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
Assuming you’re referring to this. The key thing here is that women chose to withdraw their police complaints. However to call this a serious criminal case is intellectually dishonest.
Because there’s no way that they might have been pressured into withdrawing an official complaint, right?[/quote]
Just as they can and are being done now by their communities - no matter if christian, jewish or whatever else.
Let’s not forget that this is a common phenomenon, not just a ‘muslim’ one.
Makkun
Yes, it can occur across ethnic and religious lines. However, nowhere else is there as much stark inequality and potential for abuse as the religious muslim community.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
However your measures are not “drastic”, they are insane and impossible. How would you deport millions of Muslim people who have British citizenship? Would you do it on the basis of their faith? Would you do it on basis of their ethnicity? Would you then go on to ban the religion? Please give me a serious reply instead of sentimental crap and spurious predictions.
What is “insane” and “impossible” to one is another’s statesmanship.
We have two choices: continue to appease these immigrant savages, giving in to their campaign of inches little-by-little until they outnumber the indigenous (that word, again) British, or we deport them now and let them stew in the pot of their own Islamic making back in Pakistan or some other third world backwater.
My solution prevents bloodshed. Yours doesn’t. The fact that you are both Greek and partially Jewish should make heading off the future ethnic cleansing of the British, French, and other Europeans by these seventh century Arabists all the more appealing, as Islam has caused irreparable damage to both.
To paraphrase Churchill, we can choose dishonor or war. We’ve chosen dishonor, we’ll get war also. [/quote]
It may not be palatable to think about having to do something like that but we are dealing with a people who unlike us have not forgotten our mutual history. While we in the West are trying to have this wonderful John Lennon moment of friendship with them, they are thinking “suckers this is our chance to finally win this”.
If we don’t do something now to avert disaster we are going to pay a heavy price in the future.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
Assuming you’re referring to this. The key thing here is that women chose to withdraw their police complaints. However to call this a serious criminal case is intellectually dishonest.
Because there’s no way that they might have been pressured into withdrawing an official complaint, right?[/quote]
Official? As opposed to what exactly?
If the victim can be pressured as to withdraw a complaint, not even report it or change the testimony, what difference does it make if it’s an arbitration court or the run-of-the-mill justice system.
Seriously, take a moment to explain it to me. I can’t see whatever point you tried to make.
[quote]makkun wrote:
Just as they can and are being done now by their communities - no matter if christian, jewish or whatever else.
Let’s not forget that this is a common phenomenon, not just a ‘muslim’ one.
Makkun[/quote]
My friend, it is because I know it happens in all walks of life that this makes me apprehensive. This opens the door for other crazies.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Official? As opposed to what exactly?
If the victim can be pressured as to withdraw a complaint, not even report it or change the testimony, what difference does it make if it’s an arbitration court or the run-of-the-mill justice system.
Seriously, take a moment to explain it to me. I can’t see whatever point you tried to make.[/quote]
Official meaning to a court. A proper state run court. Impartial and free of religious horsecrap.
Normal court - pressure from family and defense.
Sharia court - pressure as above PLUS pressure from the court.
Sorry lix, but I have no reason to believe the Sharia court is going to be impartial. There is a reason we separate Church and State.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The idea of deporting muslims “back to where they came from” gave me even bigger lulz. Where would this be? The Greek island of Muslimos? The former Soviet republic of Islamistan?
Deport the ones from Pakistan to Pakistan. Deport those from Sri Lanka to Sri Lanka. No need to invent new countries. Your post gives me the lulz.
Let me note the impracticality, nay, impossibility of deporting people based on their religion. (a lot of them are fully fledged British citizens by virtue of birth in the country)
Your point uderscores the neccessity of acting now. The more children they have the more difficult it will be to resolve when people finally have had enough. This is why they need to stop all further immigration of muslims.
There are things that could be done with the ones who were born there. ie The Orkneys are sparsely populated they could create a colony for all of them there. If at any time they wanted to leave for somewhere else they would be free to go. It would not be that hard to get them to go either the Paki’s all send their kids to madrassa’s in Pakistan now so they can learn hatred of the west. All they would need to do is tell them once you go there don’t come back.[/quote]
sifu
Do you call them that to their face…or is it just on T- nation, and maybe stormfront?
You are a fucking disgrace. Thank god the majority of British people don’t share your absurd and racist views…
[quote]Sifu wrote:
It may not be palatable to think about having to do something like that but we are dealing with a people who unlike us have not forgotten our mutual history. While we in the West are trying to have this wonderful John Lennon moment of friendship with them, they are thinking “suckers this is our chance to finally win this”.[/quote]
1000 Years for Revenge.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Official? As opposed to what exactly?
If the victim can be pressured as to withdraw a complaint, not even report it or change the testimony, what difference does it make if it’s an arbitration court or the run-of-the-mill justice system.
Seriously, take a moment to explain it to me. I can’t see whatever point you tried to make.
Official meaning to a court. A proper state run court. Impartial and free of religious horsecrap.
Normal court - pressure from family and defense.
Sharia court - pressure as above PLUS pressure from the court.
Sorry lix, but I have no reason to believe the Sharia court is going to be impartial. There is a reason we separate Church and State.[/quote]
Have you at least once entertained the idea that Muslim women, who would have never, ever gone to an official court, accused their husbands of beating them in public, in front of his peers?
And that that step is a huge step forward for them and us?
[quote]red bull wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The idea of deporting muslims “back to where they came from” gave me even bigger lulz. Where would this be? The Greek island of Muslimos? The former Soviet republic of Islamistan?
Deport the ones from Pakistan to Pakistan. Deport those from Sri Lanka to Sri Lanka. No need to invent new countries. Your post gives me the lulz.
Let me note the impracticality, nay, impossibility of deporting people based on their religion. (a lot of them are fully fledged British citizens by virtue of birth in the country)
Your point uderscores the neccessity of acting now. The more children they have the more difficult it will be to resolve when people finally have had enough. This is why they need to stop all further immigration of muslims.
There are things that could be done with the ones who were born there. ie The Orkneys are sparsely populated they could create a colony for all of them there. If at any time they wanted to leave for somewhere else they would be free to go. It would not be that hard to get them to go either the Paki’s all send their kids to madrassa’s in Pakistan now so they can learn hatred of the west. All they would need to do is tell them once you go there don’t come back.
sifu
Do you call them ‘Paki’ to their face…or is it just on T- nation, and maybe stormfront?
You are a fucking disgrace. Thank god the majority of British people don’t share your absurd and racist views…
[/quote]
What race is Islam? Is it racist to talk negatively about a religion that preaches open hatred and warfare against unbelievers (Surahs 9:5, 9:29, 9:111)? If so, the term ‘racist’ has no real purpose other than to silence those with legitimate grievances.
While we’re on the topic of “racism” against people with certain beliefs, perhaps you’d care to comment on Mohammed’s mandate to expel the unbelievers from the Arabian peninsula? I mean, if this sort of “racism” is wrong (since we’re talking about the expulsion of the believers from the UK), why wasn’t it wrong for Mohammed to say the same thing? Surely, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
[quote]Sifu wrote: […]It would not be that hard to get them to go either the Paki’s all send their kids to madrassa’s in Pakistan now so they can learn hatred of the west. All they would need to do is tell them once you go there don’t come back.
sifu
red bull wrote: Do you call them that to their face…or is it just on T- nation, and maybe stormfront?
You are a fucking disgrace. Thank god the majority of British people don’t share your absurd and racist views…[/quote]
x2
It’s a racist term and doesn’t belong here. Not a surprise, but a new low.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki
Makkun
I think I’m going to start using the term. It seems to annoy all the right people. I guess I’m a racist. Oh well.
T-Nation does not allow hate speech or racial slurs. The offensive comments have been edited/removed.
[quote]makkun wrote:
Sifu wrote: […]It would not be that hard to get them to go either the Paki’s all send their kids to madrassa’s in Pakistan now so they can learn hatred of the west. All they would need to do is tell them once you go there don’t come back.
sifu
red bull wrote: Do you call them that to their face…or is it just on T- nation, and maybe stormfront?
You are a fucking disgrace. Thank god the majority of British people don’t share your absurd and racist views…
x2
It’s a racist term and doesn’t belong here. Not a surprise, but a new low.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki
Makkun[/quote]
It’s just a contracture of the word. Just like how people call my parents Brits or how people in Britain call me Yank.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
makkun wrote:
Sifu wrote: […]It would not be that hard to get them to go either the Paki’s all send their kids to madrassa’s in Pakistan now so they can learn hatred of the west. All they would need to do is tell them once you go there don’t come back.
sifu
red bull wrote: Do you call them that to their face…or is it just on T- nation, and maybe stormfront?
You are a fucking disgrace. Thank god the majority of British people don’t share your absurd and racist views…
x2
It’s a racist term and doesn’t belong here. Not a surprise, but a new low.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki
Makkun
It’s just a contracture of the word. Just like how people call my parents Brits or how people in Britain call me Yank. [/quote]
No, no, no! Let’s get distracted by this word and lose the original intent of the statement and the discussion! It’s gotta be an offensive term because the Moslem in this discussion (red bull) is offended by it just as Moslems are perpetually offended.
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.
Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go basually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.
No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.
[quote]makkun wrote:
It’s a racist term and doesn’t belong here. Not a surprise, but a new low.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki
Makkun[/quote]
(From the article)
The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.
The mind conjures images of hip young Pakistani Londoners greeting one another with low fives and hearty exclamations of “what’s up, my Paki?”
[quote]ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc. [/quote]
Not to split hairs, but the word paki is in fact an Urdu word meaning “pure” or “clean”.
[quote]ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.
Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go basually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.
No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.[/quote]
People were saying the same thing about Churchill in the 1930s when he talked about Hitler. Hitler was a flash in the pan compared to the Islamic jihad. Maybe the West will just go out with a wimper instead of a bang.
Maybe the Muslims will adopt Western values. Not bloody likely. No one knows the future, but we do know of Islam’s past - it isn’t pretty. I know, I know, “But Christianity…!”
We’ll see. Shari’ah law also deals extensively with unbelievers (People of the Book). Let’s just say that Hitler got his ideas for “special pieces of flair” for the Jews from shari’ah’s mandate that unbelievers (dhimmis) wear special clothing and insignia.
Of course, if you’re a Muslim, all of this is great for you. The “apocalypse” will be great. You’re not, are you?