[quote]ninearms wrote:
Never, ever, ever is the projection. Muslims have been in the UK since the 1800s, and still only make up 3% of the population.[/quote]
Were the birthrates and immigration rates the same? I’m wondering how “never, ever, ever” can be stated when the birthrates are so lopsided.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, I doubt the demographic trends will change. What’s the projection for muslims to become the majority?[/quote]
I’m not really sure if any statistician worth his/her salt will try to make such a shot-in-the-dark projection. Seeing how huge the differences in absolute terms is between Muslims and Christians in the UK.
And it is not ethnicity or some other inheritable trait we’re talking about here. It’s religion, a personal choice people make. In a society where 1/3 up to 44% of people claim no religious affiliation, it strikes me as odd that anyone entertains the idea that Muslims would ever become a majority in the UK. Particularly now that the EU is reaching a cruising speed.
[quote]red bull wrote:
Sifu wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Sifu wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Seriously, any person with any slight British connections knows that the word “paki” has no other meaning than to denigrate people from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Kashmir etc.
Anyone with any amount of sense would not use that word in complete ignorance of its origins and implications, in the same way that they wouldn’t go casually throwing around the word “nigger”, and then try to justify it by saying nonsense like “black people use it all the time”.
No one was getting distracted by the word. In fact Sifu’s casual use of “paki” speaks volumes about where he gets his ridiculous, paranoid delusions about the coming muslim apocalypse from.
That is a commonly used term in the UK. I thought the W word was the derogatory one. Besides it’s not like people on this board have not used p-- to refer to themselves.
I don’t know any black people who use the er form of the N word and I have lived in the hood. Whether or not a black person takes offense is dependent upon contextual use and if they like you. I’ve seen a cute little white girl imitate Snoop Dogg to some brothers and have them rolling in laughter.
It’s not a commonly used word in the UK! The only people who use it are BNP sympathisers and 90 year olds who don’t know any better having grown up in an age of widespread and publicly acceptable racism.
Bullocks it is a very commonly used term in the UK. If you really want to go down that road I would say that despite what Lixy’s recent post from the BBC might lead you to believe it is a lot more widely than the term “redneck” is used to refer to Americans there…
It’s ‘bollocks’ btw. I’m surprised you fucked up that piece of vintage slang twice - I thought you were supposed to be an authority on Britain and the British.
I said you were a disgrace but worse than a disgrace, you’re a coward - because you keep trying to downplay the use of the word ‘paki’. As if it is somehow acceptable in modern British society. This is fucking ridiculous and nobody is buying it. It is, as previously mentioned, the exact equivalent of the word n*gger…a word which is grossly offensive in most contexts 95% of the time…as if people casually mention that the bloke on the supermarket checkout is ‘a paki’, or that they should go and speak to ‘the paki’ or, ‘well you know, they’re ok but at the end of the day they’re still a bunch of pakis’…
What do you think the BNP used to write on their placards and posters before they tried out their mid 90’s facelift? Hint - it wasn’t ‘pakistanni go home’…
But you know this, of course you do. You know it isn’t ‘just a contraction, like yank or Brit’ (that was fuckin weak). If you’re gonna fly your colors, come out as the BNP poster boy, then have the the balls - or bollocks - to do it good and proper. Otherwise you sound as stupid as someone who calls blacks n*ggers - like they mean it - and refuses to admit how sick it is.
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I’m loving the moral outrage here. You belong to a religion that has killed/enslaved people over a territory spreading from Arabia, all over north Africa, through the Levant, Anatolia, India, Spain and all the way up through the south of Europe at the command of your prophet (Surah 9). But you’re here to quibble about a term used on an American internet forum that most of us here thought was nothing more than a contraction of the term “Pakistani.” Hypocrite.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, I doubt the demographic trends will change. What’s the projection for muslims to become the majority?[/quote]
“Mohammed” is already the most popular baby name in the UK. I’m sensing a bit of taqiyya from ninearms, lixy, and the other moslems in this discussion.
I think you’ll find you’re wrong on that count. It’s the second most popular boy’s name, after Jack. That itself reveals nothing other than the fact that muslim parents tend to call boys Mohammed (or whatever of the 13 other variations of the name they pick), whereas non-muslims choose a much wider variety of names. If you really want to talk numbers you could always mention the roughly 350,000 baby boys that weren’t called Mohammed in 2007…
[quote]ninearms wrote:
I think you’ll find you’re wrong on that count. It’s the second most popular boy’s name, after Jack. That itself reveals nothing other than the fact that muslim parents tend to call boys Mohammed (or whatever of the 13 other variations of the name they pick), whereas non-muslims choose a much wider variety of names. If you really want to talk numbers you could always mention the roughly 350,000 baby boys that weren’t called Mohammed in 2007…[/quote]
For the record, I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I really, really do.
[quote]ninearms wrote:
If you really want to talk numbers you could always mention the roughly 350,000 baby boys that weren’t called Mohammed in 2007…[/quote]
Ok, what are the demographics for non-Mohammeds?
OK - was I dreaming (or having a nightmare) earlier when I checked this thread during the day, and saw a massive BNP copy/paste job by Sifu from the BNP site - or has that been mod-erased as well? If so - well done.
Makkun
Quibbling? Is that what you call it - over a racial slur? Man you are such a dick.
I have an idea. ‘Spic’ is short for Hispanic. And ‘chink’ is a contraction of Chinese, well kind of…why don’t we start using those words too and then pretend we had no idea they were offensive.
No idea? Yeah right. You take the piss out of American bodybuilders…
[quote]makkun wrote:
OK - was I dreaming (or having a nightmare) earlier when I checked this thread during the day, and saw a massive BNP copy/paste job by Sifu from the BNP site - or has that been mod-erased as well? If so - well done.
Makkun[/quote]
BNP. I mean, can you fucking believe it? But let’s not get sidetracked mate. Back to the burning question…
Where are we shipping the Pakistanis out to again? Was it the Isle of Wight or the Shetlands? Lol, I forgot…
[quote]red bull wrote:
makkun wrote:
OK - was I dreaming (or having a nightmare) earlier when I checked this thread during the day, and saw a massive BNP copy/paste job by Sifu from the BNP site - or has that been mod-erased as well? If so - well done.
Makkun
BNP. I mean, can you fucking believe it? But let’s not get sidetracked mate. Back to the burning question…
Where are we shipping the Pakistanis out to again? Was it the Isle of Wight or the Shetlands? Lol, I forgot…
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Now, I don’t agree at all with shipping present citizens anywhere. However, immigration needs to be tightened up, and applicants screened alot better.
No woman should feel pressured, by a Sharia mad community, into dropping DV complaints. Or, feeling like the best she can expect is to see her husband counseled by his fellow religious fanatics. Or, automatically receiving much less inheritance than her brothers. This is present day fricken UK. Shut down the Sharia courts.
[quote]red bull wrote:
But you’re here to quibble about a term used on an American internet forum that most of us here thought was nothing more than a contraction of the term “Pakistani.”…
Quibbling? Is that what you call it - over a racial slur? Man you are such a dick.
I have an idea. ‘Spic’ is short for Hispanic. And ‘chink’ is a contraction of Chinese, well kind of…why don’t we start using those words too and then pretend we had no idea they were offensive.
No idea? Yeah right. You take the piss out of American bodybuilders…
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Like I said, you’ve got no problem crying foul over this, but when someone points out the various inconvenient mandates of Mohammed, you become apoplectic.
Islam seeks to Arabize the entire world, a fact with which most non-Arabs have a problem - the religiously mandated racial supremacism. But you’ve got no problem with that.
[quote]red bull wrote:
makkun wrote:
OK - was I dreaming (or having a nightmare) earlier when I checked this thread during the day, and saw a massive BNP copy/paste job by Sifu from the BNP site - or has that been mod-erased as well? If so - well done.
Makkun
BNP. I mean, can you fucking believe it? But let’s not get sidetracked mate. Back to the burning question…
Where are we shipping the Pakistanis out to again? Was it the Isle of Wight or the Shetlands? Lol, I forgot…
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Pakistan, genius. You know, where your ilk belong.
Thanks for being yet another example of the standard Moslem reading incomprehension.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
ninearms wrote:
If you really want to talk numbers you could always mention the roughly 350,000 baby boys that weren’t called Mohammed in 2007…
Ok, what are the demographics for non-Mohammeds? [/quote]
Underlining is mine:
Fertility of UK born and non-UK born women in England and Wales
Most of the increase in overall fertility in England and Wales can be attributed to rising fertility among UK born women, who make up the majority of the female population of childbearing age (85 per cent in 2007).
According to new estimates, the TFR for women born in the UK has risen substantially, from 1.68 in 2004 to 1.79 in 2007.
In contrast, there has been little change over the past three years in the estimated TFR for women born outside the UK. But foreign-born women living in England and Wales continue to have higher fertility than UK born women in all age groups.
In 2007, the estimated TFR for non-UK born women was 2.54 compared with an estimated 1.79 children for women born in the UK.
Foreign-born women are making up an increasing share of the childbearing population in England and Wales. Between 2004 and 2007, the proportion of women of childbearing age who were born outside the UK grew from 13 per cent to 15 per cent.
Because this group has higher fertility on average than those born in the UK, their increasing population share is helping to push the overall TFR upwards, even though their fertility is fairly stable.
Both UK born and non-UK born women are therefore contributing to the increase in overall fertility in England and Wales, but in different ways.
From this we see that while the fertility of British born women (which make up the clear majority) has been increasing, while the foreign born’s has stayed stable, albeit at a higher level.
About one in 20 (5 per cent) of the population belonged to a non-Christian religious denomination.
Religious Populations
Christianity is main religion in Britain
Muslims were the largest religious group after Christians. There were 1.6 million Muslims living in Britain in 2001.
This group comprised 3 per cent of the total population and over half (52 per cent) of the non-Christian religious population.
So, here you have your number - 3% (and that’s rounded up in 2001, so I guess it’ll be square 3% now).
Oh, and if you go through the analysis from 2006, you’ll find that Pakistani Muslims are only 1.2% of the population and only 43% of the Muslim population.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_compendia/foer2006/FoER_Main.pdf
Where does that leave us - it would take a looong time for the Muslim population to ‘take over’ Britain. Especially if you take into account that in the UK, the fertility rate amongst home born women is actually on the rise (and I’m leaving out the research I once posted here on the decline in the fertility rates amongst ethnic minorities second generations which make this take over scenario even more ridiculous).
Also, to alleviate fears about a political takeover - the British election system does not know proportional representation, and the ethnic minorities are very much concentrated and in a few urban areas - both factors which disadvantages them with regards to political influence.
So - much ado about not very many ‘Mohameds’.
Makkun
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
red bull wrote:
makkun wrote:
OK - was I dreaming (or having a nightmare) earlier when I checked this thread during the day, and saw a massive BNP copy/paste job by Sifu from the BNP site - or has that been mod-erased as well? If so - well done.
Makkun
BNP. I mean, can you fucking believe it? But let’s not get sidetracked mate. Back to the burning question…
Where are we shipping the Pakistanis out to again? Was it the Isle of Wight or the Shetlands? Lol, I forgot…
Pakistan, genius. You know, where your ilk belong.
Thanks for being yet another example of the standard Moslem reading incomprehension.
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No, you need to read more carefully. First stop in sifus’ master plan is the Orkney islands. Pakistan is just a last resort - you know, like if they (the ‘pakis’) can’t hack the cold…
But this is classic stuff. Please, go on. My ilk? Where I belong??
I gotta ask, you told anyone they belong in Africa recently?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[…] Now, I don’t agree at all with shipping present citizens anywhere. However, immigration needs to be tightened up, and applicants screened alot better.
No woman should feel pressured, by a Sharia mad community, into dropping DV complaints. Or, feeling like the best she can expect is to see her husband counseled by his fellow religious fanatics. Or, automatically receiving much less inheritance than her brothers. This is present day fricken UK. Shut down the Sharia courts.[/quote]
And the jewish beth din courts, and (evangelical) christian family counseling services… we’ve got laws to cover all this - not need for faith based initiatives anywhere. Glad that we agree.
Makkun
PS: Your avatar freaks me out.
[quote]red bull wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
red bull wrote:
makkun wrote:
OK - was I dreaming (or having a nightmare) earlier when I checked this thread during the day, and saw a massive BNP copy/paste job by Sifu from the BNP site - or has that been mod-erased as well? If so - well done.
Makkun
BNP. I mean, can you fucking believe it? But let’s not get sidetracked mate. Back to the burning question…
Where are we shipping the Pakistanis out to again? Was it the Isle of Wight or the Shetlands? Lol, I forgot…
Pakistan, genius. You know, where your ilk belong.
Thanks for being yet another example of the standard Moslem reading incomprehension.
No, you need to read more carefully. First stop in sifus’ master plan is the Orkney islands. Pakistan is just a last resort - you know, like if they (the ‘pakis’) can’t hack the cold…
But this is classic stuff. Please, go on. My ilk? Where I belong??
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Yeah, you know, where most of the UK moslems (48%) are coming from.
I wonder how long you’ll persist with this moral inversion. Your own religious texts call for the conversion or subjugation of everyone non-Muslim (and I can prove it), yet you continue to express all of this outrage that someone might object to your presence in their country.
Yes, you do belong back in Pakistan, or wherever you or your relatives came from, not in a Western (or Eastern, for that matter) country dictating how we dirty kuffareen or mushrikoon ought to think and behave.
Perhaps you ought to renounce Islam before you go around calling anyone on anything, because your religion is nothing more than a vehicle of Arabist villainy. Maybe you ought to take your pink shorts and run along back to Pakistan or wherever you’re from.
There you’ll find a boy or two to indulge your lower vices upon, and leave us to ours, and we can avoid these unpleasant exchanges.
[quote]makkun wrote:
Sloth wrote:
[…] Now, I don’t agree at all with shipping present citizens anywhere. However, immigration needs to be tightened up, and applicants screened alot better.
No woman should feel pressured, by a Sharia mad community, into dropping DV complaints. Or, feeling like the best she can expect is to see her husband counseled by his fellow religious fanatics. Or, automatically receiving much less inheritance than her brothers. This is present day fricken UK. Shut down the Sharia courts.
And the jewish beth din courts, and (evangelical) christian family counseling services… we’ve got laws to cover all this - not need for faith based initiatives anywhere. Glad that we agree.
Makkun
PS: Your avatar freaks me out.[/quote]
Sorry, I think your laws are failing. “We’ve got our own laws, but go ahead and set up courts subservient women will be pressured (no, outright intimidated) into obeying.” With the DV rates (including honor killings) of some of these Islamic home countries, shut down the Sharia courts.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Now, I don’t agree at all with shipping present citizens anywhere. However, immigration needs to be tightened up, and applicants screened alot better. [/quote]
Am I wrong or does the UK have tighter immigration procedures (and more hermetic borders) than the US?
Look, bitter people, neo-Nazis and the far-right might scream their lungs out, but the fact of the matter is that immigration is a driving force of the economy in the UK.
And seeing how the place is mostly a plutocracy, big corps. and other business lobbies tend to have more weight than Jack-six-pack who needs someone to blame 'cause he was laid off.
And just in case you didn’t know, immigration is getting “tightened up”.
And you feel inclined to share this gem because…? Did you seriously think anyone here is going to support pressuring a victim into withdrawing a complaint?
???
I oppose that as well. But if it’s a voluntary thing, I see absolutely no problem with it. In Islamic civil matters, the father and/or brother(s) are expected to provide for the woman (which is not as easy, what with the orgy of consumerism societies are plunged into).
And when she gets married, her husband can’t claim a dime of what she’s got. And should one of her kids die, she’s legally the first who can claim the inheritance.
If a woman thinks she’s better served by that system, who the heck are you to deny her that freedom?
See, it’s crap like this that make you come off as yet-another-PRCalDude/Sifu.
Sharia courts in Britain, just like every other arbitration court system, have the British legislature backing them. And there is no way (NO WAY!) you can shut down sharia courts without repelling the arbitration act first.
Mind your verbiage, kid.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
No woman should feel pressured, by a Sharia mad community, into dropping DV complaints.
Lixy:
And you feel inclined to share this gem because…? Did you seriously think anyone here is going to support pressuring a victim into withdrawing a complaint?
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Um, I shared that “gem” because it’s happening in these courts…
I get sick and tired of even trying to have a conversation with you, when half the time you’re playing dumb, and the other half misrepresenting yourself as some pacifist, feminist, anarcho-socialist, muslim.
Furthermore, I’m not seeing much benefit debating this with a muslim who called a 16 yr old girl, hung by Iranian islamic authorities, a “slut” who “played with fire and got burned.”