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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.??[/quote]

Because as a US citizen you are biased to your own government’s propaganda whereas most people outside the US are not and therefore their opinions are more worthy than some person’s who is from the US that has been brainwashed his entire life.[/quote]

Christ you cannot let the conspiracy theory go can you?

Take off your aluminium foil helmet for a second and get a fucking grip on reality.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.??[/quote]

Because as a US citizen you are biased to your own government’s propaganda whereas most people outside the US are not and therefore their opinions are more worthy than some person’s who is from the US that has been brainwashed his entire life.[/quote]

Christ you cannot let the conspiracy theory go can you?

Take off your aluminium foil helmet for a second and get a fucking grip on reality. [/quote]

You think it is a conspiracy that governments do not have anything to gain from telling the truth to their citizens?

I dunno, that’s just common sense to me.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.??[/quote]

Because as a US citizen you are biased to your own government’s propaganda whereas most people outside the US are not and therefore their opinions are more worthy than some person’s who is from the US that has been brainwashed his entire life.[/quote]

Christ you cannot let the conspiracy theory go can you?

Take off your aluminium foil helmet for a second and get a fucking grip on reality. [/quote]

You think it is a conspiracy that governments do not have anything to gain from telling the truth to their citizens?

I dunno, that’s just common sense to me.[/quote]

But foreign nationals can see clearly through the fog that blinds the ignorant Americans?

You really struggle with reality.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.[/quote]

So you are saying in general as a Finn…it is not that difficult to be more learned than the average German or American??

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But foreign nationals can see clearly through the fog that blinds the ignorant Americans?
[/quote]

Not necessarily but they, for example, did not grow up with the fairy tale of how awesome Lincoln was.

And its funny to me an American that wasn’t there to witness the civil war would criticize a foreigner because he is not from here. It is just too ironic for words.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.[/quote]

Several guys I went to school with were Finnish…members of the Perussuomalaiset party…they are under the impression that Finland is one social program after another giving entitlements away by the bucket load. Their favorite sarcastic motto (usually followed by a hearty chuckle) "If you have to work, you are clearly not a citizen.

Feels good when people make blanket statements about your county…right?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.[/quote]

So you are saying in general as a Finn…it is not that difficult to be more learned than the average German or American??[/quote]

:slight_smile: …or an average finn.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But foreign nationals can see clearly through the fog that blinds the ignorant Americans?
[/quote]

Not necessarily but they, for example, did not grow up with the fairy tale of how awesome Lincoln was.

And its funny to me an American that wasn’t there to witness the civil war would criticize a foreigner because he is not from here. It is just too ironic for words.[/quote]

Who was criticizing a foreigner??..try and keep up Lift. I was wondering why they felt the need to lecture and criticize…us?

Capiche?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But foreign nationals can see clearly through the fog that blinds the ignorant Americans?
[/quote]

Not necessarily but they, for example, did not grow up with the fairy tale of how awesome Lincoln was.

And its funny to me an American that wasn’t there to witness the civil war would criticize a foreigner because he is not from here. It is just too ironic for words.[/quote]

Just out of curiosity, where do you live?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.[/quote]

Several guys I went to school with were Finnish…members of the Perussuomalaiset party…they are under the impression that Finland is one social program after another giving entitlements away by the bucket load. Their favorite sarcastic motto (usually followed by a hearty chuckle) "If you have to work, you are clearly not a citizen.

Feels good when people make blanket statements about your county…right?[/quote]

To tell you the truth, this such a small country, that when foreigners mention it, rare occasion, they always make blanket statements. But maybe you missed my point.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.[/quote]

Several guys I went to school with were Finnish…members of the Perussuomalaiset party…they are under the impression that Finland is one social program after another giving entitlements away by the bucket load. Their favorite sarcastic motto (usually followed by a hearty chuckle) "If you have to work, you are clearly not a citizen.

Feels good when people make blanket statements about your county…right?[/quote]

To tell you the truth, this such a small country, that when foreigners mention it, rare occasion, they always make blanket statements. But maybe you missed my point.[/quote]

No I’m with you…but you might take offence if people lumped you in with the Finnish version of the Tea Party…just because you were a Finn.

Judging Americans with the lowest common denominator is just as bad.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]

Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.

I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.
[/quote]

That would make the whole subject of history questionable then, since no-one of us have lived in the 19th century. You can very well talk about german history and even lecture about it when you know what you know and what you don’t know.
I don’t want to sound haughty, but it is not difficult to know more than an average american about american history, it’s not that difficult to know more about german history than an average german. And there is truth in that what Licticus said, too.
To make it clear, I’m not commenting on what somebody has said or lectured on this board, or estimating the value of their inputs.[/quote]

Several guys I went to school with were Finnish…members of the Perussuomalaiset party…they are under the impression that Finland is one social program after another giving entitlements away by the bucket load. Their favorite sarcastic motto (usually followed by a hearty chuckle) "If you have to work, you are clearly not a citizen.

Feels good when people make blanket statements about your county…right?[/quote]

To tell you the truth, this such a small country, that when foreigners mention it, rare occasion, they always make blanket statements. But maybe you missed my point.[/quote]

No I’m with you…but you might take offence if people lumped you in with the Finnish version of the Tea Party…just because you were a Finn.

Judging Americans with the lowest common denominator is just as bad.[/quote]

It could be annoying, depending on the circumstances, yes, I might take offence.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But foreign nationals can see clearly through the fog that blinds the ignorant Americans?
[/quote]

Not necessarily but they, for example, did not grow up with the fairy tale of how awesome Lincoln was.

And its funny to me an American that wasn’t there to witness the civil war would criticize a foreigner because he is not from here. It is just too ironic for words.[/quote]

Who was criticizing a foreigner??..try and keep up Lift. I was wondering why they felt the need to lecture and criticize…us?

Capiche? [/quote]

I wasn’t calling you out but unless you are completely blind you cannot miss the replies where Orion’s posts gets bashed.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Bingo.[/quote]

Oh, well look who it is, Sarah Palin’s biggest fan!!!oneone!exlamationpoint!

Only kidding, you don’t post here much anymore so I thought I would mess with you a bit.[/quote]

I probably deserve it.

BTW, what are the latest diabolical plans of your local Bible college?[/quote]

This is a pretty good example of how posters can bring personal issues to threads. Push came on to state agreement with a point. Then Dustin came on only to insult Push (“mess with him”). Which then “caused” Push to attack back. None of this is related to the thread other than, perhaps, being a good example of what others were complaining about earlier.

Literally the moment Push stepped into the forum again, he was attacked. Unless I missed it, the only thing Dustin has contributed to this thread is an attack (sorry if I missed an earlier post). [/quote]

Oh good grief, this exchange 'tween DustintheWind and me was all in good fun. Pleeeeeez don’t attempt to discourage humor here on PWI.[/quote]

same between me and irish. At least my side was.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Bingo.[/quote]

Oh, well look who it is, Sarah Palin’s biggest fan!!!oneone!exlamationpoint!

Only kidding, you don’t post here much anymore so I thought I would mess with you a bit.[/quote]

I probably deserve it.

BTW, what are the latest diabolical plans of your local Bible college?[/quote]

This is a pretty good example of how posters can bring personal issues to threads. Push came on to state agreement with a point. Then Dustin came on only to insult Push (“mess with him”). Which then “caused” Push to attack back. None of this is related to the thread other than, perhaps, being a good example of what others were complaining about earlier.

Literally the moment Push stepped into the forum again, he was attacked. Unless I missed it, the only thing Dustin has contributed to this thread is an attack (sorry if I missed an earlier post). [/quote]

Oh good grief, this exchange 'tween DustintheWind and me was all in good fun. Pleeeeeez don’t attempt to discourage humor here on PWI.[/quote]

PWI is serious…DAMN SERIOUS.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This forum is Politics and world Issues. [/quote]

Sadly, religion makes itself a world issue.[/quote]

Yes, but only ONE religion.[/quote]

“SexMachine” I assume you’re just a troll or trolling with this post. I’d ask you to not purposefully try to derail this thread.

I’m asking others to ignore this.

Edit: Makavail, please ignore this obvious troll attempt. [/quote]

Yeah I’m seeing that now. I don’t see things clearly when “9/11 truthers” piss me off in other threads, so I kinda walked into that one.

My apologies.[/quote]

I can tolerate most nonsense but the truther crap makes me wish them harm.

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lol. Feel free to bitch and snipe at each other elsewhere boys, I’m just asking you not to do so here!

Why not here? I think such bickering is often mis-interpreted and thread-derailing. See DD’s response to your post and his exchange with FI… and it’s not just me even Sloth took note of it.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

I think this is a fair point. However, age and national origin are used FAR too often to “defend” points, in my opinion. I think this does lead to a stifling of debate. Honestly there was a time where every few threads or so a poster would question if I was “truly” an American. It got old quite quickly, as it had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread or conversation.

A second point is that this is often related to personal grudges leading posters to derail threads for example:[/quote]

But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.

The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]

Personally, I like to hear outside perspectives even if I don’t think some of them are necessarily as valid as others. I think a lot of the complaining comes about a couple of posters who enjoy “complaining” about the US. People respond to them in force and others outside the US note it and stop making posts in PWI (note others have mentioned it here). I think most of this just comes from personal grudges against a few posters.

With age, I agree that with age often comes wisdom. BUT using age to attack another argument (time and again and again) is just silly. And some posters do it even “against” people when they don’t know their age.