[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I admitted it. Its also exactly what he was doing.
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I wasn’t trolling. I was giving a valid opinion. That’s not trolling. You’ll know if I’m trolling hillbilly, trust me.[/quote]
Sorry, clarification: I was admitting to and accusing you of doing exactly what you were claiming to not like. I was not admitting to or accusing you of trolling, dirty Mexican wannabe (no offense meant to real Mexicans).
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I admitted it. Its also exactly what he was doing.
[/quote]
I wasn’t trolling. I was giving a valid opinion. That’s not trolling. You’ll know if I’m trolling hillbilly, trust me.[/quote]
Sorry, clarification: I was admitting to and accusing you of doing exactly what you were claiming to not like. I was not admitting to or accusing you of trolling, dirty Mexican wannabe (no offense meant to real Mexicans).[/quote]
Ohhh ok. Got you.
Boys, please take it outside.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Boys, please take it outside. [/quote]
Excuse me? Who do you think you are? If you don’t like this thread go make your ow…oh, yeah. Well, carry on then.
I’ll just pipe in on the “Other Country of Origin” issue - I frankly don’t think it is an issue per se. In fact, I think having non-Ameican perspectives makes the forum better and more interesting. I wish we had more.
However, there is an odd tendency of some (not all) non-American posters to opine on the US - its policies, its history, its heritage - with absolutely no idea what they are talking about. And they state it with such absolute conviction, with practically zero support for their position.
That derails threads. It’s one thing if a guy from Zimbabwe says “hey, this is how I think things should be in America.” It’s another if the same guy says “hey, this is what your country is about. This is what your Founding Fathers meant. This is what the First Amendment means in your country.”
If you’re going to make pronouncements on things like history, the constitution, etc., about America, there has to be some basis for knowing your stuff. Otherwise, getting verbally flogged is justified. And “atacking” your country of origin is not merely is attacking it per se, but instead demonstrating that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The rule applies to me (and Americans generally), so all’s fair: if I was dumb enough to lecture an Italian how a true Italian should act or think, I’d deserve to be shamed for having no basis for my opinion.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’ll just pipe in on the “Other Country of Origin” issue - I frankly don’t think it is an issue per se. In fact, I think having non-Ameican perspectives makes the forum better and more interesting. I wish we had more.
However, there is an odd tendency of some (not all) non-American posters to opine on the US - its policies, its history, its heritage - with absolutely no idea what they are talking about. And they state it with such absolute conviction, with practically zero support for their position.
That derails threads. It’s one thing if a guy from Zimbabwe says “hey, this is how I think things should be in America.” It’s another if the same guy says “hey, this is what your country is about. This is what your Founding Fathers meant. This is what the First Amendment means in your country.”
If you’re going to make pronouncements on things like history, the constitution, etc., about America, there has to be some basis for knowing your stuff. Otherwise, getting verbally flogged is justified. And “atacking” your country of origin is not merely is attacking it per se, but instead demonstrating that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The rule applies to me (and Americans generally), so all’s fair: if I was dumb enough to lecture an Italian how a true Italian should act or think, I’d deserve to be shamed for having no basis for my opinion. [/quote]
I agree with this and hope I have not done this to much myself.
What a bunch of pussies. It’s the interwebz. No one forces anyone to read or respond to anything.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bingo.[/quote]
Oh, well look who it is, Sarah Palin’s biggest fan!!!oneone!exlamationpoint!
Only kidding, you don’t post here much anymore so I thought I would mess with you a bit.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’ll just pipe in on the “Other Country of Origin” issue - I frankly don’t think it is an issue per se. In fact, I think having non-Ameican perspectives makes the forum better and more interesting. I wish we had more.
However, there is an odd tendency of some (not all) non-American posters to opine on the US - its policies, its history, its heritage - with absolutely no idea what they are talking about. And they state it with such absolute conviction, with practically zero support for their position.
That derails threads. It’s one thing if a guy from Zimbabwe says “hey, this is how I think things should be in America.” It’s another if the same guy says “hey, this is what your country is about. This is what your Founding Fathers meant. This is what the First Amendment means in your country.”
If you’re going to make pronouncements on things like history, the constitution, etc., about America, there has to be some basis for knowing your stuff. Otherwise, getting verbally flogged is justified. And “atacking” your country of origin is not merely is attacking it per se, but instead demonstrating that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The rule applies to me (and Americans generally), so all’s fair: if I was dumb enough to lecture an Italian how a true Italian should act or think, I’d deserve to be shamed for having no basis for my opinion. [/quote]
Bingo.[/quote]
I think this is a fair point. However, age and national origin are used FAR too often to “defend” points, in my opinion. I think this does lead to a stifling of debate. Honestly there was a time where every few threads or so a poster would question if I was “truly” an American. It got old quite quickly, as it had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread or conversation.
A second point is that this is often related to personal grudges leading posters to derail threads for example:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bingo.[/quote]
Oh, well look who it is, Sarah Palin’s biggest fan!!!oneone!exlamationpoint!
Only kidding, you don’t post here much anymore so I thought I would mess with you a bit.[/quote]
I probably deserve it.
BTW, what are the latest diabolical plans of your local Bible college?[/quote]
This is a pretty good example of how posters can bring personal issues to threads. Push came on to state agreement with a point. Then Dustin came on only to insult Push (“mess with him”). Which then “caused” Push to attack back. None of this is related to the thread other than, perhaps, being a good example of what others were complaining about earlier.
Literally the moment Push stepped into the forum again, he was attacked. Unless I missed it, the only thing Dustin has contributed to this thread is an attack (sorry if I missed an earlier post).
I kinda like the name calling and senseless argument.
All of that thinky shit is best used for things that thinking solves.
I especially like calling that cornhole on a stick names and casting aspersions about his sexuality.
It is like the WWE but without the scripting…
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bingo.[/quote]
Oh, well look who it is, Sarah Palin’s biggest fan!!!oneone!exlamationpoint!
Only kidding, you don’t post here much anymore so I thought I would mess with you a bit.[/quote]
I probably deserve it.
BTW, what are the latest diabolical plans of your local Bible college?[/quote]
This is a pretty good example of how posters can bring personal issues to threads. Push came on to state agreement with a point. Then Dustin came on only to insult Push (“mess with him”). Which then “caused” Push to attack back. None of this is related to the thread other than, perhaps, being a good example of what others were complaining about earlier.
Literally the moment Push stepped into the forum again, he was attacked. Unless I missed it, the only thing Dustin has contributed to this thread is an attack (sorry if I missed an earlier post). [/quote]
Chill brah, I was just busting his chops, then he did the same to me.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bingo.[/quote]
Oh, well look who it is, Sarah Palin’s biggest fan!!!oneone!exlamationpoint!
Only kidding, you don’t post here much anymore so I thought I would mess with you a bit.[/quote]
I probably deserve it.
BTW, what are the latest diabolical plans of your local Bible college?[/quote]
This is a pretty good example of how posters can bring personal issues to threads. Push came on to state agreement with a point. Then Dustin came on only to insult Push (“mess with him”). Which then “caused” Push to attack back. None of this is related to the thread other than, perhaps, being a good example of what others were complaining about earlier.
Literally the moment Push stepped into the forum again, he was attacked. Unless I missed it, the only thing Dustin has contributed to this thread is an attack (sorry if I missed an earlier post). [/quote]
Chill brah, I was just busting his chops, then he did the same to me.[/quote]
Seriously!
Let’s take all the fun out of this place…huh?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’ll just pipe in on the “Other Country of Origin” issue - I frankly don’t think it is an issue per se. In fact, I think having non-Ameican perspectives makes the forum better and more interesting. I wish we had more.
However, there is an odd tendency of some (not all) non-American posters to opine on the US - its policies, its history, its heritage - with absolutely no idea what they are talking about. And they state it with such absolute conviction, with practically zero support for their position.
That derails threads. It’s one thing if a guy from Zimbabwe says “hey, this is how I think things should be in America.” It’s another if the same guy says “hey, this is what your country is about. This is what your Founding Fathers meant. This is what the First Amendment means in your country.”
If you’re going to make pronouncements on things like history, the constitution, etc., about America, there has to be some basis for knowing your stuff. Otherwise, getting verbally flogged is justified. And “atacking” your country of origin is not merely is attacking it per se, but instead demonstrating that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The rule applies to me (and Americans generally), so all’s fair: if I was dumb enough to lecture an Italian how a true Italian should act or think, I’d deserve to be shamed for having no basis for my opinion. [/quote]
Bingo.[/quote]
I think this is a fair point. However, age and national origin are used FAR too often to “defend” points, in my opinion. I think this does lead to a stifling of debate. Honestly there was a time where every few threads or so a poster would question if I was “truly” an American. It got old quite quickly, as it had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread or conversation.
A second point is that this is often related to personal grudges leading posters to derail threads for example:[/quote]
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.
The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.
The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]
To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.??[/quote]
Because as a US citizen you are biased to your own government’s propaganda whereas most people outside the US are not and therefore their opinions are more worthy than some person’s who is from the US that has been brainwashed his entire life.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
But how can a foreign national have the same insights and knowledge about the U.S. as a person that LIVES in the U.S.?? Seems like a much more valid point that many others on this thread.
The age thing is slightly more subjective…but again, a 19-23 year old is not going to have nearly the insight to how the world and politics work as a person in their 30’s-40’s. That would seem to be just common sense, no?[/quote]
To know more than most americans about american history and laws you don’t have to live in or even visit the states. You don’t have to be a veteran to know huge amounts of stuff about WWI or II. It’s the more mundane things and knowledge that reguire you are physically there. [/quote]
Sorry, there is a big difference between reading a book about something and living in that country. I would not comment on German history even though I have read everything I can get my hands on about WWII and WWI.
I would consider myself learned, but not knowledgeable in the subject… certainly not enough to lecture Germans on the topic…some foreign posters here love to lecture as if they had a dog in the fight, so to speak.