Brilliant Men Betray Wives

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Are you not talking about consciousness?
Isn’t consciousness that process that “puts the light on” your instincts as you allow your impulses to filter through the heart then reach the mind and with that “light on” you may or may not rationalize your physical state but you have entered a “conscious state”.

Hearing the voice of your conscience, instincts or sensing and identifying any essential message has nothing yet to do with control, choice, power over your own territory and autonomy - which is the domain and related qualities of free will.

When you can identify in which domain or state does the abstract quality of freedom belong to then you are on your way to knowing what free will is.

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Freedom is in fact a process… The only thing you inherit on this earth is the fact that you’re going to die… Everything you do and everything you conceive is a process… Your concious mind is a process… Free will is a process…

I think it is irrelevant what state freedom belongs to because ‘freedom’ on this earth is relative… You don’t have true freedom… Your obligations, your significant other’s obligations, your children’s obligations, everyone else who resides in your country’s obligations clearly show how ‘free’ you are. We all count on one another for each other’s skills/trades to survive. We have given up our real freedom in exchange for a better quality of life. For anyone to say that he/she has freedom is asinine as, the extent of your freedom can be measured by laws and your own sense of reason…

Until you can understand that your free will is limited to the chain your concious has wrapped around its neck, you will still struggle to find a complete understanding…

T-Matt

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

You leave out some important reasons for this phenomenon. The most important is probably the lack of a responsible male role model in their lives. Many professional athletes come from dysfunctional families that either had no male presence or had fathers that were philanderers.

Another reason is that they have been showered with gifts, false affection and favors their whole lives because of their physical gifts, not because of who they are. For this reason, they think that they are always being used and that they should use people in return.

There are plenty of good-looking, married, succesful pro athletes who have women throw themselves at them and they can resist. How can you explain this?

You also said that some of the most exhilirating moments are in the first stages of a relationship. I agree with this, but I think that there are more exhilirating events that occur during a long-term monogamous relationship. For example, buying your first house together; the first time you hear a child’s heartbeat on an ultrasound; when that child is born; when you get that big promotion and your mate is more excited than you are.

There are other things about a monogamous relationship that enrich your life more than you can know until you’ve experienced it. I won’t bore you with those, but I’m sure you can think of some without much effort.

DB[/quote]

My thoughts exactly… I am yet to experience the majority of these moments, however, just the sheer knowledge of their potential existence in my life gets me all tingly inside…

Now I’M being the sillyhead… lol

T-Matt

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I think it all boils down to moral responsibility… Society is who holds people responsible for their actions. Society is who determines praise or blame for all we do. Some people believe that moral responsibility requires a free will. THis, of course brings up another argument of whether individuals are ever morally responsible and if they are in what sense?

However, others (including myself) think that determinism is at odds with moral responsibility. I accept the fact that “free will” does exist, however I will claim that free will doesn’t truly matter… Free will grounds moral responsibility. Just because your choices are uncoerced, that doesn’t change the fact that determinism robs you of your responsiblity.

I will go even further and mention that I believe that determinism is irrelevant. That’s right… I am with John Locke on this one. I, too, believe that the defining feature of voluntary behavior is that an individual has the ability to postpone a decision long enough to reflect or deliberate upon the consequences of a particular decision.

Here is a piece from his “Essay Concerning Human Understanding”:

"Whether man’s will be free or no? [T]he question itself is altogether improper; and it is as insignificant to ask whether man’s will be free, as to ask whether his sleep be swift, or his virtue square: liberty being as little applicable to the will, as swiftness of motion is to sleep, or squareness to virtue. Every one would laugh at the absurdity of such a question as either of these: because it is obvious that the modifications of motion belong not to sleep, nor the difference of figure to virtue; and when one well considers it, I think he will as plainly perceive that liberty, which is but a power, belongs only to agents, and cannot be an attribute or modification of the will, which is also but a power.

? Chapter XXI, Paragraph 14

shaking my head These types of discussions are so frustrating… I believe that it’s healthy to talk about these sorts of things. Discussing Metaphysics is like working out. You have to exercise your brain to truly grasp an understanding, to make any progress…
T-Matt

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Good people can stray or have moments of infidelity.
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I fundamentally disagree. Sure we all have straying\lustful thoughts,but there’s a huge gap between having a though and acting it out.A truly loyal spouse don’t have moments of indescretion. I believe these so-called moments of indescretion stem from people finally showing their true colors after living a lie.

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[quote]der Koning wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Good people can stray or have moments of infidelity.

I fundamentally disagree. Sure we all have straying\lustful thoughts,but there’s a huge gap between having a though and acting it out.A truly loyal spouse don’t have moments of indescretion. I believe these so-called moments of indescretion stem from people finally showing their true colors after living a lie.
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I don’t think you fundamentally explained why good people can’t stray, but you are obviously the unforgiving, unrealisticly high standard sort of person I have already commented about. That’s fine. My views of human nature could be wrong. No big deal. I certainly believe this thread has been my favorite to read and contribute to though.

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[quote]silencer wrote:
orion wrote:
MrChill wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Or it’s human fucking nature!

Cop out. I`m sure some animals are more faithful than some humans. Sad definition of human nature.

Sure there are, those animals that were programmed to. We are not one of those species.

To the rest of the posters:

The problem of “cheating” only arises if monogamy is expected and quite contrary to what ma, pa, society and your church of choice have told you, that is not the human norm, just a social convention.

In a 1960-1980 survey of the world?s societies, only 186 out of 1231 societies were completely monogamous, the rest practicing polygamy at some degree or another. This means 85% of the world’s societies practiced polygamy to some degree.

see:

Gray, J. Patrick. 1998. Ethnographic Atlas Codebook. World Cultures 10(1):86-136. http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/worldcul/Codebook4EthnoAtlas.pdf

and this is in 1960, which is very late. many of these completely monogamous societies, such as europeans ones, had accepted polygamy for a long time until rejecting it much later. [/quote]

And, if I am not mistaken, the monogamy being practiced is serial monogamy. Not lifelong monogamy. That basically means some rich dude has a string of hot babes while they are still hot babes. As soon as they prune, they move on.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
He is obviously unaware that many civilizations throughout the ages have thought the female sex drive was much stronger than the males.

Being a hyper-masculine T-man there are few females that match my sex drive but they are out there.

I actually do believe that due to a combination of factors in our society that the male sex drive is perceived as stronger.[/quote]

Wow, I can’t believe I’m having to seriously debate this point.

If women have equal sex drives, then:
[i]
Why don’t they hit on guys more often? How come guys are expected to approach women?

How many women pleasure themselves multiple times every day? Or spend “every waking hour” thinking about sex? Or collect porn? Or make crude sexual jokes?

Why do women withhold sex from men if they like it just as much?[/i]

There’s just too much evidence against this ridiculous assertion for me to list all of it.

Your average male has at least one, more likely several, orgasms each and every day. Your average female doesn’t even experience her first orgasm until she is in her 20’s. And for quite a few of them, it takes even longer than that.

Can you imagine a 35-year old male who has never orgasmed? With women, it’s not uncommon.

You can’t seriously believe this. Not only does it contradict all apparent evidence, but also the tenets of biology.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
der Koning wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:

I don’t think you fundamentally explained why good people can’t stray,
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That comes from my definition of good;
I tend to believe that being a liar and dishonest is mutually exclusive with being good.

Unforgiving? no. I never stated that a spouse that cheats should be burned at the stake. I actually believe in reconcilitaion and “working it out”.

That’s bullshit. I object to cheating coz it’s deceitful. If a person is “programmed” to be unfaithful then don’t get married or committed. None if your points about human nature address the deceit issue.

Hey if it’s okay to lie to your spouse, then what’s wrong with lying to friends, co-workers, business partners and customers too?

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[quote]T-Matt wrote:

Here is a piece from his “Essay Concerning Human Understanding”:

"Whether man’s will be free or no? [T]he question itself is altogether improper; and it is as insignificant to ask whether man’s will be free, as to ask whether his sleep be swift, or his virtue square: liberty being as little applicable to the will, as swiftness of motion is to sleep, or squareness to virtue. Every one would laugh at the absurdity of such a question as either of these: because it is obvious that the modifications of motion belong not to sleep, nor the difference of figure to virtue; and when one well considers it, I think he will as plainly perceive that liberty, which is but a power, belongs only to agents, and cannot be an attribute or modification of the will, which is also but a power.

? Chapter XXI, Paragraph 14

shaking my head These types of discussions are so frustrating… I believe that it’s healthy to talk about these sorts of things. Discussing Metaphysics is like working out. You have to exercise your brain to truly grasp an understanding, to make any progress…
T-Matt[/quote]

This is mental diarrea, not metaphysics.

Beware of these so called “experts” on psychology, metaphysics,human behaviour etc…they are like what most fitness instructors are to true bodybuilders : Puppets.
They are pulled by the strings of someone else’s AUTHORITY on the subject, they convolute and complicate to sound “expertized” while not having “exercised” their thoughts ( or bodies, in the case of fitness Ins.) in any substantial way.

Read that paragraph from “Essay Concerning Human Understanding” again. What this guy is really saying to me is;

"I don’t really know what I’m talking about but let me sound like I do - because I went to a top university and spent big money to learn how to manipulate these big words, so WITH THE AUTHORITY OF MY PhD I have POWER OVER the mind DOMAIN of those who DON’T HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF a diploma "

You can use your free will to CHOOSE to listen to YOUR OWN AUTHORITY,

or

You can choose to OBEY the POWER of a force that is being WILLED upon you without QUESTIONING: WHOSE AUTHORITY AM I ALLOWING TO enter MY domain?

This is my first insight to you, Matt, on understanding free will.

Who is your boss?

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[quote]der Koning wrote:

That’s bullshit. I object to cheating coz it’s deceitful. If a person is “programmed” to be unfaithful then don’t get married or committed. None if your points about human nature address the deceit issue.
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Good point.

The deceit issue is tied up with free will, which many don’t even seem to be aware of possessing.

Free will overrides “programing”.

Animals are programed to “spread their seed” but I have never seen them “chosing” to lie about it or even feel the need to conceal their “animal nature”. Animals don’t have a consciensce, human nature has and CHOSES to ignore it AT THEIR OWN FREE WILL.

But no actions are without consequence, no matter what caused it.

Whether you choose to acknowlege you DO have a say, a choice, on every impulse and situation or not, you are acting and getting the appropriate results.

But maybe to admit that we are responsible for our poor choices is just to much to carry on one’s shoulders so could it be we cop out, pass the buck or excuse ourselves from what is TIED UP WITH this FREE WILL we don’t even want to admit we possess ( like a tool we don’t really know how to use properly ) which is as T-Matt mentioned in his post:

RESPONSABILITY.

See the corelation?

WHO IS YOUR BOSS?
x

Whose FAULT is it?

It’s that simple.

Who wants to be responsible for bad choices? I don’t. So let me conveniently “forget” or obscure the fact that:

I am in charge,

I am my own master,

I am my own authority,

And no, I don’t really know how to rule my self - And so that I don’t have myself to blame for my DEFICIENCY and feel inadequate and FLAWED at the suffering it brings both myself and others let me replace my consciousness and create instead ( turn the “light off” within myself and turn “the light on” ):

Religion, and social mores and codes and regulations and governments and politics and convoluted evolutional theories and phycobable and BLAME IT on that instead.

Free will is:

The RESPONSABILITY to be your OWN AUTHORITY.

The buck stops here.

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[quote]T-Matt wrote:
Freedom is in fact a process… The only thing you inherit on this earth is the fact that you’re going to die… Everything you do and everything you conceive is a process… Your concious mind is a process… Free will is a process…

I think it is irrelevant what state freedom belongs to because ‘freedom’ on this earth is relative… You don’t have true freedom… Your obligations, your significant other’s obligations, your children’s obligations, everyone else who resides in your country’s obligations clearly show how ‘free’ you are. We all count on one another for each other’s skills/trades to survive. We have given up our real freedom in exchange for a better quality of life. For anyone to say that he/she has freedom is asinine as, the extent of your freedom can be measured by laws and your own sense of reason…
T-Matt[/quote]

Freedom is not a process. Freedom is THE state of the spirit of every man.

Identifying the domain of freedom is knowing that no one except you has authority over you.

The state of the spirit is without boundaries, without limits.

The physical state/domain
The emotional state/domain
The intellectual state/domain

The spiritual state/domain

Most people are two dimentional.
Some are aware but seldom use the three dimentions of their human nature.

The fourht dimention is where true freedom lies.

You can’t physically or emotionaly or intelectually be out of “the system” we live in and its requirements.

But you can CHOOSE not to be a part of it while still functioning RESPONSABILY in the world you are in.

You walk into a gym and everyone is exercising following erroneous techniques from fitness instructors - you are in that gym but you don’t have to be a part of that system of trainning. You know you can choose to follow your own routine and still abide by the “rules” of that place and respect other users. You know how to mind your own business

Freedom = Free spirit

It isn’t about dominance and whose authority is controling who.

It’s about INDOMITABLENESS.

Knowing and EXERCISING the knowledge that even though every internal and external force may be SENDING YOU to the left, you can BE YOUR OWN AUTHORITY and CHOOSE to stand still and have the STAYING POWER to decide that even if you go to the left you alone KNOW you could have gone to the right.

Your authority comes from knowing that YOUR SPIRIT is strong enough to withstand any force - internal or external.

When your spirit is the driving force everything else becomes driven.

I’ll let you know when I achieve this…

; )

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If no one has control over you and your domain how do you explain the placebo effect?

I strongly believe in ex nihilo nihil fit. “Nothing comes from nothing.” Your belief in the fact that you may have a free will has to stem from another idea or some epistemological
concept. How do you know that what you know is the truth?

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You’re not just born with a free will or with the knowledge that you have freedom it is the result of a reaction to stimuli.

The real question is this… Would good exist if bad didn’t exist? Would true love exist if hate didn’t exist? The fact is is that you wouldn’t know what’s good until you’ve seen or felt something bad nor would you know what love is until you’ve felt some degree of dislike… Every thought is conceiled within some set of boundaries so that it has a potential relative truth. Just like your free will that you think you have is conceiled within a set of boundaries you know as a good deed and a bad deed, or simply responsibility. Just like your love can be snatched away bye a series of lies, your free will can be snatched away by a deadly bullet. Your truth only exists as far as your mind can conceive.

Yes, the human mind can conceive some amazing things. You can think yourself to death if you try hard enough. You can trick yourself into believing something is true that’s really a lie, but you cannot change the fact that everything you are about, everything you think about, everything you care about, and everything you come in contact with is a response to a stimuli… Your free will is a response to your knowlege that you are superior than any other animal on this planet…

Simply free will as an ontological entity does not exist… Period…

T-Matt

I love your style though… You’re relentless… Wonder what stimuli prompts that behavior… High sex drive?!? naaaaaaaaa… can’t be… :wink:

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
He is obviously unaware that many civilizations throughout the ages have thought the female sex drive was much stronger than the males.

Being a hyper-masculine T-man there are few females that match my sex drive but they are out there.

I actually do believe that due to a combination of factors in our society that the male sex drive is perceived as stronger.

Wow, I can’t believe I’m having to seriously debate this point.
[/quote]

First of all your point about sex drive really doesn’t mean anything.

I am stronger than my wife and I can punch harder. I may even have stronger urges to punch people.

Even with all these strong urges I somehow refrain from punching idiots in the face when they piss me off.

We do not have to act on all our urges.

With that out of the way lets take a look.

This is a social thing. And I still get hit on all the time by women and I am an average looking guy.

In fact since I have been married I get hit on by women far more than I hit on them.

I have no idea. There are quite a few women at work that are far more explicit with their sexual humor in the work environment than the guys.

It is a power play and it is easily reversed. If you are in a long term relationship and your parter withholds sex turn the tables. It works.

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There’s just too much evidence against this ridiculous assertion for me to list all of it.

Your average male has at least one, more likely several, orgasms each and every day. Your average female doesn’t even experience her first orgasm until she is in her 20’s. And for quite a few of them, it takes even longer than that.

Can you imagine a 35-year old male who has never orgasmed? With women, it’s not uncommon.

You can’t seriously believe this. Not only does it contradict all apparent evidence, but also the tenets of biology.[/quote]

You appear to be confusing things.

Men need to orgasm to impregnate women so men easily orgasm.

While female orgasm can help her get pregnant it is by no means necessary.

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
cram2012 wrote:
the majority of posters have said “men are scumb who cheat” “real men are faithful” blah blah. for the most part I agree, you have to have integrity, honesty is important so on and so forth. Self mastery is the key… But ponder this, why do sports stars with amazing physiques and mucho dinero cheat all the time? (just one example) Because they have amazingly hot women throwing themselves at them 24-7, thats why.

If I was in that position I would be banging chicks left and right. you only live once and those opportunities are usually a small window of your life, in other words you got to get it while the getting is good. As you get older it becomes more important to settle down and raise a family and more often then not you dont have the opportunities that you once did (there are exeptions of course)
Some of the most exhilerating moments of ones life are spent in those first intimate moments of a relationship.(in my opinion)

Why the hell do we spend so much time in the gym sculpting our bodies and striving to achieve new career goals? to be desired!!!
relationships are crucial to growth and I am not advocating that people cheat, but it happens. I am not going to sit here and say Kobe Bryant is weak, a scumb bag, blah blah blah. He just gave in to temptation, it can happen to anyone given the right circumstances, was it a mistake? does he regret it? probably…but he is a man with opportunities that most of us dont have…dont hate!!

you know your willy gets hard everytime you visit T-Nation and a fine a$$ girl is posted on the home page, imagine if she was throwing herself at you? just because it doesnt happen to you does’nt mean your better than someone else that has the opportunities.
I am not saying Its right to cheat, let me be clear about that, what I am saying is it happens and I can understand why. As you get older you grow, become more mature, and can control those temptations, you make mistakes, doesnt make you less of a person than the next man. thats my take now you guys can hate on me

You leave out some important reasons for this phenomenon. The most important is probably the lack of a responsible male role model in their lives. Many professional athletes come from dysfunctional families that either had no male presence or had fathers that were philanderers.

Another reason is that they have been showered with gifts, false affection and favors their whole lives because of their physical gifts, not because of who they are. For this reason, they think that they are always being used and that they should use people in return.

There are plenty of good-looking, married, succesful pro athletes who have women throw themselves at them and they can resist. How can you explain this?

You also said that some of the most exhilirating moments are in the first stages of a relationship. I agree with this, but I think that there are more exhilirating events that occur during a long-term monogamous relationship. For example, buying your first house together; the first time you hear a child’s heartbeat on an ultrasound; when that child is born; when you get that big promotion and your mate is more excited than you are.

There are other things about a monogamous relationship that enrich your life more than you can know until you’ve experienced it. I won’t bore you with those, but I’m sure you can think of some without much effort.

DB[/quote]
I agree with your post for the most part. My main point is this: you can’t generalize by saying “all males who cheat or have cheated are worthless,scum, demon spawn, ect…” there is so much more that makes a person good (in my humble opinion)

agreed that’s awesome, and their choice to uphold their vows ect. I think thats honorable, and I don’t disagree with your stance. however,there are also plenty of good looking pro athletes, married, successful who have cheated or do cheat. Based on that one fact I know about them (hypothetically) I am not going to say they are worthless horrible people.
I guess what I am trying to express is this…if you get married you should have every intent to be faithful and uphold your promise, however the simple fact is people change, circumstances change. life comes at your fast, some choose to be quicker. (this is an arrogant statement I realize but I like it) If you find yourself in an unhappy relationship no need to continue to be unhappy. If you have kids you may choose to stay together for the benefit of the child. Thats a sacrifice you make. not everyone has a fairy tale marriage, and if you do you are extremely lucky. 50% of the married population get a divorce… doesnt mean they are scum because they broke their “promise.”
What if you married a very attractive women and 15 years later she turns into a blob, while you maintain your health? If you can’t get arroused…I’ll let you fill in the blank. All I am saying is life is diverse for everyone…we make mistakes…events occur that are out of our control, you can’t lump people into one category based upon the little you know about them.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Freedom is not a process. Freedom is THE state of the spirit of every man.

Identifying the domain of freedom is knowing that no one except you has authority over you.

The state of the spirit is without boundaries, without limits.

The physical state/domain
The emotional state/domain
The intellectual state/domain

The spiritual state/domain

Most people are two dimentional.
Some are aware but seldom use the three dimentions of their human nature.

The fourht dimention is where true freedom lies.
[/quote]

I agree with your catagories of your domain, however I disagree that freedom is another dimension. Freedom cannot be detatched from any of your states/domains… If freedom where its own state there would be nothing to compare it to to give it any bit of logical existence…

To me, life is defined as a) the ability to reproduce b) the ability to consume c) self awareness…

Now I don’t think you are born with the knowledge that you are supposed to stick your penis in a woman’s vagina to make a baby… However, if you were on a deserted island with a woman and the two of you were compatible and only had each other to learn from, I believe that the two of you would experiment with each other giving and receiving pleasure and would eventually figure out the reproduction process and execute it.

You are born to a mother who teaches you to consume through your mouth… The question is who did she learn it from? Her mother and who did her mother learn it from? And so forth and so on… You aren’t born with the know how of how to consume, but you are born with the know how of the struggle for survival…

Lastly, self awareness is simply you knowing your alive. It’s you knowing that if you don’t properly do certain things you’re not going to live anymore…

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
You can’t physically or emotionaly or intelectually be out of “the system” we live in and its requirements.

But you can CHOOSE not to be a part of it while still functioning RESPONSABILY in the world you are in.

You walk into a gym and everyone is exercising following erroneous techniques from fitness instructors - you are in that gym but you don’t have to be a part of that system of trainning. You know you can choose to follow your own routine and still abide by the “rules” of that place and respect other users. You know how to mind your own business.
[/quote]

That last paragraph is erroneous because why are you at the gym in the first place? You go to the gym because your free will sends you there? That’s almost laughable… Maybe if your analogy involved you running down a cheetah or choking an alligator to death…

You are part of the system by participating in any organized actions… You wouldn’t know that wide grip pull ups are better for lat development than chins ups if someone hadn’t taught you… Bottomline is that if you were hanging off a cliff about to die you’d get your ass up with whatever method your physical state would allow… You may have learned a more efficient way of working out by reading T-Nation (god, I know I did, I don’t know what kind of douchbag I’d be had I not found this place) but when it comes to a stimuli your domain in question replies with it’s most efficient reaction. It certainly isn’t free will because you’re concern is survival… Is survival intertwined with free will? Perhaps… But then, that wouldn’t really make it ‘free will’ would it?

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Freedom = Free spirit

It isn’t about dominance and whose authority is controling who.

It’s about INDOMITABLENESS.

Knowing and EXERCISING the knowledge that even though every internal and external force may be SENDING YOU to the left, you can BE YOUR OWN AUTHORITY and CHOOSE to stand still and have the STAYING POWER to decide that even if you go to the left you alone KNOW you could have gone to the right.
[/quote]

But you only stand to the right or stand still within reason… As long as you know it’s safe to stand still or to the right you’ll do it… The only way free will can exist in this situation is if a left and a right both exist and because of their existence you actually have choice. Had there not of been a right side you would have had no choice but to be on the left… Well, without a right side there can’t be a left side and in actuality you’re standing still…

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Your authority comes from knowing that YOUR SPIRIT is strong enough to withstand any force - internal or external.
[/quote]

Your spirit only has an idea of what it can or cannot withstand… Based on previous experiences your spirit is so powerful that it can draw incredible conclusions as to the outcome of an event or a given stimuli… A human can only hope that he/she can withstand a force. You’re pretty sure you can withstand the force of a 15mph wind however, if your equilibrium is off b/c of another stimuli you can easily be brought down to the ground by that gentle breeze… Your mind and your spirit can only focus on so many things at once. If there are too many stimuli for you to conceive you enter a state of hope of faith… You can only hope or have faith in yourself that you’ll be able to overcome a given set of stimuli, but there remains a shadow of a doubt… That shadow of a doubt is always there and is the main reason why free will doesn’t truly exist…

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
When your spirit is the driving force everything else becomes driven.

I’ll let you know when I achieve this…

; )

[/quote]

You do that… In the mean time, I think you have something caught in your eye? Need some visine for that? :slight_smile:

T-Matt

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Read that paragraph from “Essay Concerning Human Understanding” again. What this guy is really saying to me is;

"I don’t really know what I’m talking about but let me sound like I do - because I went to a top university and spent big money to learn how to manipulate these big words, so WITH THE AUTHORITY OF MY PhD I have POWER OVER the mind DOMAIN of those who DON’T HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF a diploma "
[/quote]

Holy crap, this is the great Philosopher John Locke we’re talking about here, not Pendington Farthingsworth from Harvard’s philosophy department.

Locke is pointing out that a lot of the debate concerning free will is actually due to a linguistic problem, rather than a real one. One wouldn’t debate over whether or not happiness is muave. Similarly, will is itself the power of choosing; one either has a will or does not have it. If it is constrained, it is not properly “will.” As Locke says, will is a “power.” So is liberty… but liberty only belongs to agents (people, organisms, things that can act).

The style is a little dense because it was written over 300 years ago, and because Locke was a freakin’ genius.

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Fan-fucking-tastic post Zap…

I don’t know what planet he’s from but women do hit on guys ALL the time, it’s just that the man isn’t sexually aware enough to figure it out. They use body language more effectively than men do. Men use their eyes, yappers, and kino predominantly to hit on women

… And yes, it is a societal dogma we have created…

There are some phenomenal posts on here… I’m expanding my own beliefs by some of your posts… :slight_smile:

T-Matt

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[quote]T-Matt wrote:
I don’t know what planet he’s from but women do hit on guys ALL the time, it’s just that the man isn’t sexually aware enough to figure it out. They use body language more effectively than men do. Men use their eyes, yappers, and kino predominantly to hit on women
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So that’s what it is… I’m just not sexually aware enough!

And here I thought I didn’t see women hitting on me because I smell like garbage and look funny.

You learn something new every day.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Monogamy is a female characteristic. It is neither natural nor healthy in males. It is, indeed, a sign of weakness and underachievement.

Mediated Life wrote:
Cheaters are fucking scum. Male or female. There’s nothing fucking worse than breaking a promise or a dedication. When real men say something, they should mean it. Not shit for the moment or for shits and giggles.

You can’t break a promise because you can’t make one in the first place. All promises, guarantees, etc, are meaningless. You do not control the future or the past. You have control over the present, and that is all. No matter what you say or think in the present, there is no guarantee that you won’t change in the future. Who do you think you are, God? Enjoy events while they last. Stop trying to overcome yourself. Stop trying to predict and control the future. Stop making promises. They are for the weak.[/quote]

In other words, stop thinking and acting like a human being and restrict the range of your consciousness to that of an animal’s.

I did promise myself that I’d stop reading your insanity, so I guess I broke that one. But this is so idiotic it BEGGED for a response. Besides, it is more NP gold…pure gold. LMAO!

HH

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

So that’s what it is… I’m just not sexually aware enough!

And here I thought I didn’t see women hitting on me because I smell like garbage and look funny.

You learn something new every day.[/quote]

I’m glad I could be of help to your cause! … lol…

Seriously though, I just ignored what she said about Locke… If you’re going to bash Locke you might as well throw every goddamn word you ever say right in the shitter b/c he set the foundation for your spiritual and intellectual growth… Without his work you wouldn’t even be able to conceive the possibility of a ‘free will.’

T-Matt