Brilliant Men Betray Wives

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Monogamy is a female characteristic. It is neither natural nor healthy in males. It is, indeed, a sign of weakness and underachievement.

You must be tired of being wrong all the time.

Monogamy is neither a male or female characteristic. It is something that is inherent in both genders. Just as the desire to cheat on your partner is inherent in both.

Cheating is a sign of weakness.

Keeping your word and bond to your wife is an achievement.

Cheating is a failure.[/quote]

I agree ZAP. I don’t remember anyone saying loyalty is easy or natural.

[quote]cram2012 wrote:
the majority of posters have said “men are scumb who cheat” “real men are faithful” blah blah. for the most part I agree, you have to have integrity, honesty is important so on and so forth. Self mastery is the key… But ponder this, why do sports stars with amazing physiques and mucho dinero cheat all the time? (just one example) Because they have amazingly hot women throwing themselves at them 24-7, thats why.

If I was in that position I would be banging chicks left and right. you only live once and those opportunities are usually a small window of your life, in other words you got to get it while the getting is good. As you get older it becomes more important to settle down and raise a family and more often then not you dont have the opportunities that you once did (there are exeptions of course)
Some of the most exhilerating moments of ones life are spent in those first intimate moments of a relationship.(in my opinion)

Why the hell do we spend so much time in the gym sculpting our bodies and striving to achieve new career goals? to be desired!!!
relationships are crucial to growth and I am not advocating that people cheat, but it happens. I am not going to sit here and say Kobe Bryant is weak, a scumb bag, blah blah blah. He just gave in to temptation, it can happen to anyone given the right circumstances, was it a mistake? does he regret it? probably…but he is a man with opportunities that most of us dont have…dont hate!!

you know your willy gets hard everytime you visit T-Nation and a fine a$$ girl is posted on the home page, imagine if she was throwing herself at you? just because it doesnt happen to you does’nt mean your better than someone else that has the opportunities.
I am not saying Its right to cheat, let me be clear about that, what I am saying is it happens and I can understand why. As you get older you grow, become more mature, and can control those temptations, you make mistakes, doesnt make you less of a person than the next man. thats my take now you guys can hate on me[/quote]

You leave out some important reasons for this phenomenon. The most important is probably the lack of a responsible male role model in their lives. Many professional athletes come from dysfunctional families that either had no male presence or had fathers that were philanderers.

Another reason is that they have been showered with gifts, false affection and favors their whole lives because of their physical gifts, not because of who they are. For this reason, they think that they are always being used and that they should use people in return.

There are plenty of good-looking, married, succesful pro athletes who have women throw themselves at them and they can resist. How can you explain this?

You also said that some of the most exhilirating moments are in the first stages of a relationship. I agree with this, but I think that there are more exhilirating events that occur during a long-term monogamous relationship. For example, buying your first house together; the first time you hear a child’s heartbeat on an ultrasound; when that child is born; when you get that big promotion and your mate is more excited than you are.

There are other things about a monogamous relationship that enrich your life more than you can know until you’ve experienced it. I won’t bore you with those, but I’m sure you can think of some without much effort.

DB

Hey DB, you are supposed to be funny not all serious (and very true).

Good post

D

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You must be tired of being wrong all the time.

Monogamy is neither a male or female characteristic. It is something that is inherent in both genders. Just as the desire to cheat on your partner is inherent in both.

Cheating is a sign of weakness.

Keeping your word and bond to your wife is an achievement.

Cheating is a failure.[/quote]

Females do not experience the same sexual urges as males. Their sex drives simply cannot compare. That is what makes monogamy a characteristic of their gender. Females, by and large, crave emotional fulfillment and security. Males, on the other hand, crave independance and the thrill of taking risks, as mentioned in the article.

Get this: sex is not an egalitarian act. There is a very clearly defined power structure in sexual relationships, with the male in the dominant “position” (literally and figuratively) and the female in the subservient one. This is the reality imposed by nature. Men and women alike implicitly know this. It is the reason why “proper” women withhold sex as long as possible from their male partners, even if they are in love. And why males reject “easy” women as sluts and whores – for they do not provide that crucial thrill of conquest. Women do not get as much out of sex as men do. This is the fact of nature which makes sexual relationships inherently unequal.

And while sexual relationships are not egalitarian, friendships are. That is the crucial difference. Friendships are built on mutual benefit and mutual affection. There are no “dominant” and “subservient” roles in a friendship.

All the typical problems associated with male-female relationships result from the struggle to balance the sexual and platonic aspects of the relationship. There is simply no way of achieving this. You can’t have a relationship that is simultaneously equal and unequal. If it is to last, the relationship has to be grounded in either the sexual or the platonic aspect.
Is it any wonder why men stop getting sex shortly after being married? It shouldn’t be. It’s simply an example of the natural power dynamics running their course, with friendship and equality winning over sex and inequality. YOU CAN’T HAVE BOTH AT ONCE! This is so important that it’s worth repeating multiple times.

Making and keeping promises is for weak people with God Complexes. True man lives for the moment and doesn’t attempt to project his power into the past or the future. Promises are only made to offset pain and anxiety felt in the present.

You are not a god. You live in the present. You have no control over the future. Stop trying to overcome yourself and learn how to let go. Life becomes a wonderful adventure when you start each day with a clean slate, knowing that you can do anything and not be held back by old spooks that live in your head.

People who make promises shouldn’t be trusted in the first place. Guarantees are the tools of priests and used car salesmen. Strong people don’t need metaphysical guarantees - they act directly on reality to make it suit their needs.

Love is a highly subjective term. There is no reason why a man cannot bed 10 different girls on 10 different nights and love every one of them. The tie between love and monogamy created by Christianity is an artificial one. Some religions even endorse polygamy, recognizing this vital instinct in the male psyche.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

Females do not experience the same sexual urges as males. Their sex drives simply cannot compare.

[/quote]

If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:

Good men make good decisions. Bad men make bad decisions.

We all have the same urges. It is what we do with them that counts.

I appreciate your post but, Good men/women DO make bad decisions sometimes.

I guess that’s where people like me differ from people like you. People like you have set the bar so high that there is no room for errors or mistakes without understanding and forgiveness.

Accepting that your significant other or people in general are not perfect, to me, is a huge step in understanding mankind.

Would I forgive my spouse for straying on me. I have no idea. I would rather not know. Hopefully I satisfy her mentally and physically. I don’t think many other woman would put up with my shit.

I also said good people do bad things.

If they continue to do bad things can you still consider them good?

If a guy that stays with his wife raises his kids and makes all the typical sacrifices gets drunk one night on the road and ends up in bed with some other woman this does not automatically mean he is a bad guy. It is just a bad mistake.

If he makes a habit out of it he is no longer a good guy in my eyes.

Agreed, but with more leniency on my part. I would consider a longer affair with a single individual more understandable than someone who strays with numerous others.

I enjoy the hell out of this forum.

Thanks, everyone.
[/quote]

It’s more understandable but, in your opinion, do you think it is more excusable?

I liked these points, Zap and Malo.

[quote]thighlord wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

Females do not experience the same sexual urges as males. Their sex drives simply cannot compare.

If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.[/quote]

Or your sex drive must be very low since you have not found a powerful female as a compatible match.

You “mate” with who you are.

[quote]thighlord wrote:
If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.[/quote]

Hahahahahaha

My poor, poor boy. You are decieving yourself mightily. What I have written is scientific fact.

If women had comparable sex drives to men, then men wouldn’t have to bust their asses trying to get sex from women. People everywhere would hump all day. Everything that is taken for granted about the sexes would be thrown out the window.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

A clitoris is structurally and biologically analogous to a penis. It is made from the very same tissue and only a few centimeters long. Women act EXACTLY the way men would act if men had 2 cm long penises. A woman is, biologically, a male eunich. Everything about the sexes makes perfect sense when you throw out the societal double standards and apply a consistent, scientific standard to each. With hormone supplementation, a woman can expand the size of her clit and accordingly, her sex drive.

Yes, I know how terrifying this prospect is to those of you who have been raised to believe that men and women are “opposite” entities. They aren’t. They exist on the same biological continuum. There is no magical double standard that makes women “different” from men. When you apply equal standards, you find that women are inferior in practically all aspects. This explains their historically subservient roles.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
It is my personal belief that human beings are not biologically meant to be a monogamous. Rather, it’s a gift we give to our partners.

Soemthing that we can give. A sacrifice we make because we love them so much. Because we’re not animals. we can forego momentary pleasure and instant gratification to give something greater to someone else [and ourselves]. Not just with sex, but i think delayed gratification is a lot of what separates human beings from animals anyhow.

This is a brilliant post! This is perhaps the best statement about monogamy that I have ever read or heard.

DB[/quote]

Why, thank you.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Not only is monogamy a gift. It’s the greatest gift we can give. It means much more than … a new motorcycle.

Well, let’s not get silly here.

DB[/quote]

Haha. Sorry-must’ve got carried away.

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Hey DB, you are supposed to be funny not all serious (and very true).

Good post

D[/quote]

Good post indeed!

dollarbill,very good insight.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
thighlord wrote:
If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.

Hahahahahaha

My poor, poor boy. You are decieving yourself mightily. What I have written is scientific fact.

If women had comparable sex drives to men, then men wouldn’t have to bust their asses trying to get sex from women. People everywhere would hump all day. Everything that is taken for granted about the sexes would be thrown out the window.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

A clitoris is structurally and biologically analogous to a penis. It is made from the very same tissue and only a few centimeters long. Women act EXACTLY the way men would act if men had 2 cm long penises. A woman is, biologically, a male eunich. Everything about the sexes makes perfect sense when you throw out the societal double standards and apply a consistent, scientific standard to each. With hormone supplementation, a woman can expand the size of her clit and accordingly, her sex drive.

Yes, I know how terrifying this prospect is to those of you who have been raised to believe that men and women are “opposite” entities. They aren’t. They exist on the same biological continuum. There is no magical double standard that makes women “different” from men. When you apply equal standards, you find that women are inferior in practically all aspects. This explains their historically subservient roles. [/quote]

Hmm…let’s think about this here. Is the difference in sexual practices/supposed urges of men and women biological or cultural? I think more cultural. A man who gets a lot of women is often considered a player. A woman a slut. Sex has often been used as a mechanism to control women. There are some damn horny women. I’ve known quite a few in my time. I think many women are just as horny. They are taught that they should not give into these desires. Biologically, women can have multiple orgasms. Only one instance of female sexuality. Last time I checked, I can’t. That’d be nice…

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Monogamy is a female characteristic. It is neither natural nor healthy in males. It is, indeed, a sign of weakness and underachievement.

You must be tired of being wrong all the time.

Monogamy is neither a male or female characteristic. It is something that is inherent in both genders. Just as the desire to cheat on your partner is inherent in both.

Cheating is a sign of weakness.

Keeping your word and bond to your wife is an achievement.

Cheating is a failure.[/quote]

Zap brings the quality of clarity with a no-nonsensness to his points that hits the bulls eye…

Classy

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
thighlord wrote:
If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.

Hahahahahaha

My poor, poor boy. You are decieving yourself mightily. What I have written is scientific fact.

If women had comparable sex drives to men, then men wouldn’t have to bust their asses trying to get sex from women. People everywhere would hump all day. Everything that is taken for granted about the sexes would be thrown out the window.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

A clitoris is structurally and biologically analogous to a penis. It is made from the very same tissue and only a few centimeters long. Women act EXACTLY the way men would act if men had 2 cm long penises. A woman is, biologically, a male eunich. Everything about the sexes makes perfect sense when you throw out the societal double standards and apply a consistent, scientific standard to each. With hormone supplementation, a woman can expand the size of her clit and accordingly, her sex drive.

Yes, I know how terrifying this prospect is to those of you who have been raised to believe that men and women are “opposite” entities. They aren’t. They exist on the same biological continuum. There is no magical double standard that makes women “different” from men. When you apply equal standards, you find that women are inferior in practically all aspects. This explains their historically subservient roles. [/quote]

That is absolutely ridiculous. Now a woman is simply a male enuch. And because she has a different biological structure that makes her sex drive lower? The clit is still a sex orgasm. Stimulation leads to orgasm. And women have vaginal orgasms as well. Does a man with a small penis have a lower sex drive than a large penis? And here’s a much simpler explanation for why women have been subservient to men historically. Women, in general, are smaller and weaker. Until very recently, size and strength have been put at a great premium. Lo and behold, as other factors have become increasingly important for us a a species to thrive and have succesful societies, women have made great strides.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
thighlord wrote:
If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.

Hahahahahaha

My poor, poor boy. You are decieving yourself mightily. What I have written is scientific fact.

If women had comparable sex drives to men, then men wouldn’t have to bust their asses trying to get sex from women. People everywhere would hump all day. Everything that is taken for granted about the sexes would be thrown out the window.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

A clitoris is structurally and biologically analogous to a penis. It is made from the very same tissue and only a few centimeters long. Women act EXACTLY the way men would act if men had 2 cm long penises. A woman is, biologically, a male eunich. Everything about the sexes makes perfect sense when you throw out the societal double standards and apply a consistent, scientific standard to each. With hormone supplementation, a woman can expand the size of her clit and accordingly, her sex drive.

Yes, I know how terrifying this prospect is to those of you who have been raised to believe that men and women are “opposite” entities. They aren’t. They exist on the same biological continuum. There is no magical double standard that makes women “different” from men. When you apply equal standards, you find that women are inferior in practically all aspects. This explains their historically subservient roles. [/quote]

My penis may be smaller then yours but my balls are bigger.

; o

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
You must be tired of being wrong all the time.

Monogamy is neither a male or female characteristic. It is something that is inherent in both genders. Just as the desire to cheat on your partner is inherent in both.

Cheating is a sign of weakness.

Keeping your word and bond to your wife is an achievement.

Cheating is a failure.

Females do not experience the same sexual urges as males. Their sex drives simply cannot compare. That is what makes monogamy a characteristic of their gender. Females, by and large, crave emotional fulfillment and security. Males, on the other hand, crave independance and the thrill of taking risks, as mentioned in the article.

Get this: sex is not an egalitarian act. There is a very clearly defined power structure in sexual relationships, with the male in the dominant “position” (literally and figuratively) and the female in the subservient one. This is the reality imposed by nature. Men and women alike implicitly know this. It is the reason why “proper” women withhold sex as long as possible from their male partners, even if they are in love. And why males reject “easy” women as sluts and whores – for they do not provide that crucial thrill of conquest. Women do not get as much out of sex as men do. This is the fact of nature which makes sexual relationships inherently unequal.

And while sexual relationships are not egalitarian, friendships are. That is the crucial difference. Friendships are built on mutual benefit and mutual affection. There are no “dominant” and “subservient” roles in a friendship.

All the typical problems associated with male-female relationships result from the struggle to balance the sexual and platonic aspects of the relationship. There is simply no way of achieving this. You can’t have a relationship that is simultaneously equal and unequal. If it is to last, the relationship has to be grounded in either the sexual or the platonic aspect.
Is it any wonder why men stop getting sex shortly after being married? It shouldn’t be. It’s simply an example of the natural power dynamics running their course, with friendship and equality winning over sex and inequality. YOU CAN’T HAVE BOTH AT ONCE! This is so important that it’s worth repeating multiple times.

Making and keeping promises is for weak people with God Complexes. True man lives for the moment and doesn’t attempt to project his power into the past or the future. Promises are only made to offset pain and anxiety felt in the present.

You are not a god. You live in the present. You have no control over the future. Stop trying to overcome yourself and learn how to let go. Life becomes a wonderful adventure when you start each day with a clean slate, knowing that you can do anything and not be held back by old spooks that live in your head.

People who make promises shouldn’t be trusted in the first place. Guarantees are the tools of priests and used car salesmen. Strong people don’t need metaphysical guarantees - they act directly on reality to make it suit their needs.

Love is a highly subjective term. There is no reason why a man cannot bed 10 different girls on 10 different nights and love every one of them. The tie between love and monogamy created by Christianity is an artificial one. Some religions even endorse polygamy, recognizing this vital instinct in the male psyche.[/quote]

Some relgions endorse polyandry where the woman is in a realtionship and/or engages in sexual relations with and has children with several different men. Such relgiions recognize this vital instinct in the female psyche.

[quote]T-Matt wrote:
Free will is the voice of your natural instincts… Your natural instincts must first be rationalized to be understood in a physical state. Free will is that process…

T-Matt[/quote]

Is freedom a process or an inherited state?

[quote]T-Matt wrote:
Free will is the voice of your natural instincts… Your natural instincts must first be rationalized to be understood in a physical state. Free will is that process…

An abstract essence does have a voice… It is a leap of faith… You can’t see the wind but you can feel it cooling down your body… You don’t know for sure whether he went into that burning building in an honorable manner, but you feel his courage coursing through your veins… The message an abstract essence sends is an encrypted feeling that you feel as the end result… You don’t usually watch honor or nobility or trust unfold right before your vary eyes. You are blinded by the true essence as it takes place but in the end the feeling is there…

T-Matt[/quote]

Are you not talking about consciousness?
Isn’t consciousness that process that “puts the light on” your instincts as you allow your impulses to filter through the heart then reach the mind and with that “light on” you may or may not rationalize your physical state but you have entered a “conscious state”.

Hearing the voice of your conscience, instincts or sensing and identifying any essential message has nothing yet to do with control, choice, power over your own territory and autonomy - which is the domain and related qualities of free will.

When you can identify in which domain or state does the abstract quality of freedom belong to then you are on your way to knowing what free will is.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
thighlord wrote:
If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.

Hahahahahaha

My poor, poor boy. You are decieving yourself mightily. What I have written is scientific fact.

If women had comparable sex drives to men, then men wouldn’t have to bust their asses trying to get sex from women. People everywhere would hump all day. Everything that is taken for granted about the sexes would be thrown out the window.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

A clitoris is structurally and biologically analogous to a penis. It is made f… [/quote]

Again, you talk about what’ve you read and your personal experiences…

[quote]thighlord wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

Females do not experience the same sexual urges as males. Their sex drives simply cannot compare.

If you truly believe this, then you have led a very sheltered life…

How sad.[/quote]

He is obviously unaware that many civilizations throughout the ages have thought the female sex drive was much stronger than the males.

Being a hyper-masculine T-man there are few females that match my sex drive but they are out there.

I actually do believe that due to a combination of factors in our society that the male sex drive is perceived as stronger.