Have humans really developed advanced thinking? Looking at the state of the globe, I say, no.
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That was what I meant by “the human reality”.
The sexual drive is a natural instinctual impulse.
The sexual act is a normal instinctual response.
But considering the negative side effects affecting “the state of the globe” - is our sexual freedom to be enjoyed without a conscience?
Is it a question of developing “advanced thinking” or is it a question of;
1.Waking up and putting the light on to see and feel the full impact of the side effects of our acting without first mastering our own domain?
2.Free will : taking ownership of and mastering your own freedom to act as you will at any given moment in time having considered the “road” and the condition of your “automobile” any passengers or pedestrians on that “road”…do you get my ilustration?
To be The Driver not the driven.
Wouldn’t you want that?
Remember the first time your father let you take the driver seat to have a go at driving a car?
Can you control that beast or is it going to get you to spiral out of control?
P.S. The first time my dad let me drive, my mother was at the back seat screaming :
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Malo Verde (is that referring to the chili you make) and cram, good points my testosterone brethren.
Many of us guys may be lucky to be with the one women who accepted us and really as cram pointed out don’t have women tripping over-themselves propositioning us.
Or if you are married you have have insulated yourself from this type of exposure. In a biological sense we have a strong testosterone driven urge to procreate stronger in some then others.
Combine that with opportunity and then combine that with insurance your wife won’t catch you and cut your balls off and I think some (not all) that are sanctimonious may crumble under the pressure of Jenna Jameson rubbing her ample chest on them with promises of ecstasy beyond their wildest dreams.
Empires have risen and crumbled due to the desire and lust for a women.
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We all have the same urges. It is what we do with them that counts.[/quote]
Absolutely true.
( though I choose to refrain from the good x bad people concept as I reject that siege mentality )
I used to think that what made us differ from animals was our capacity for love.
I was wrong.
I think that what distinguishes us from animals is that we are possesed of free will.
Maybe some men/women are more aware of it than others.
Like Zap said we all have the same urges and you can still be very instinctual and intense but how does free will come into that equation?
No one is talking about the element of free will in this formula ( topic ).
You can give an example of using your free will to drive your instinctual nature.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
It is my personal belief that human beings are not biologically meant to be a monogamous. Rather, it’s a gift we give to our partners.
Soemthing that we can give. A sacrifice we make because we love them so much. Because we’re not animals. we can forego momentary pleasure and instant gratification to give something greater to someone else [and ourselves]. Not just with sex, but i think delayed gratification is a lot of what separates human beings from animals anyhow.[/quote]
This is a brilliant post! This is perhaps the best statement about monogamy that I have ever read or heard.
Good men make good decisions. Bad men make bad decisions.
We all have the same urges. It is what we do with them that counts.
I appreciate your post but, Good men/women DO make bad decisions sometimes.
I guess that’s where people like me differ from people like you. People like you have set the bar so high that there is no room for errors or mistakes without understanding and forgiveness.
Accepting that your significant other or people in general are not perfect, to me, is a huge step in understanding mankind.
Would I forgive my spouse for straying on me. I have no idea. I would rather not know. Hopefully I satisfy her mentally and physically. I don’t think many other woman would put up with my shit.[/quote]
I also said good people do bad things.
If they continue to do bad things can you still consider them good?
If a guy that stays with his wife raises his kids and makes all the typical sacrifices gets drunk one night on the road and ends up in bed with some other woman this does not automatically mean he is a bad guy. It is just a bad mistake.
If he makes a habit out of it he is no longer a good guy in my eyes.
They guys on know that cheated on their wives regularly always ended up spending their families money on hotel rooms, spending less time with their kids drinking too much, drug abuse and all the other stuff that fucks up lives.
Wow… I can’t believe I missed this thread. I just finished reading all of your responses and I feel like I missed the train! Well, let me catch up and introduce myself with this statement that I hold true…
No amount of money, no amount of power, and just basically anything I will ever acquire will EVER mean anything without a great woman to come home and share it with.
We all dream to be significant… We all dream to be part of something special… While winning the 1994 Polk County Chess tournament will always hold a great significance to me, it won’t have a true meaning to me until I have found a true love to tell the story to one night when we’re both 6 beers deep, sitting in a our recliner, looking each other in the eyes, enjoying the little sweat droplets transferring from each of our pancaked semi-naked bodies…
I acquire great things because my ideal woman HAS TO HAVE great things. She’s not materialistic, she just knows that when she meets me she’s going to take me to a level that I’d never be able to attain without her. She’s going to be the nucleus of many men’s sexual desires and her commitment of monogamy to me is plenty reason for me to bust my goddamn ass every single day to acquire money and a physique she actually looks forward to seeing.
If you’ve read “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill you’ll see where I’m coming from. That book helped me transmute my sexual desires for a female into actions. The most powerful drive a man has is his sexual drive. For a man to waste his most powerful force and just be content in sleeping around with any woman he can, is a disgrace to every human being that has ever walked this earth. We are given an extremely powerful mind and an even more incredible sense of self awareness. To just sleep around and not seek a sig other is basically pissing on human evolution.
If polygamy truly makes you happy then go for it. I can only pray that you’re not lying to yourself. As someone else said, we, as human beings, have the ability to bullshit ourselves. I’d hate to see any human being live out his/her entire life and look back and realize, with one foot in the coffin, that his/her entire life was bullshit. THAT is the worst death one could possibly endure.
Just to point out there are guys who never drink, don’t do drugs, and are very supportive family men and husbands who still have cheated one or more times in their marriage and due to them not being inebriated are usually less prone to get caught.
Reminds of the guy who on his deathbed tells his wife he must confess to her his sins because she has been such a good supportive wife all their years together and discloses his indiscretions.
She calmly and soothingly tells him “now that’s alright honey don’t worry about just be quiet and let the poison set in and take full effect,”.
Good men make good decisions. Bad men make bad decisions.
We all have the same urges. It is what we do with them that counts.
I appreciate your post but, Good men/women DO make bad decisions sometimes.
I guess that’s where people like me differ from people like you. People like you have set the bar so high that there is no room for errors or mistakes without understanding and forgiveness.
Accepting that your significant other or people in general are not perfect, to me, is a huge step in understanding mankind.
Would I forgive my spouse for straying on me. I have no idea. I would rather not know. Hopefully I satisfy her mentally and physically. I don’t think many other woman would put up with my shit.
I also said good people do bad things.
If they continue to do bad things can you still consider them good?
If a guy that stays with his wife raises his kids and makes all the typical sacrifices gets drunk one night on the road and ends up in bed with some other woman this does not automatically mean he is a bad guy. It is just a bad mistake.
If he makes a habit out of it he is no longer a good guy in my eyes.
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Agreed, but with more leniency on my part. I would consider a longer affair with a single individual more understandable than someone who strays with numerous others.
Free will… What is free will? It’s an abstract essence… Free will is just like honor… What makes something honorable?
You see a burning building and the firefighters haven’t showed up yet so you decide to go in and rescue 5 people.
The deed seems honorable on the surface. I think the intentions determine the honorability. If you did it to get press and to use it as a softener for the ladies to get laid, you are not honorable. The deed was NOT and honorable
If, however, you did it just for the simple fact that those people’s lives depended on you and you wouldn’t have been able to live with yourself had you not done anything… You are honorable. The deed was honorable.
Free will has to be looked at in the same light. Yes, as human beings we have free will, but we also have a brain and a heart. We negotiate with our brain and heart on what we should and should not do. It is only natural for a man to want have sex with every attractive female he comes within 857 miles of. Our free will tells us to go live our lives like The College Fuck Fest boys. However, the need to find true meaning in life has created a burning desire inside every man to need to do something greater than busting a load all over a sorostitute’s (a sorostitute is a girl who is in a sorority that sleeps around like a prostitute would) cute little slutty face (or pigtails or trampstamp or titties or in her ass her wherever your ‘free will’ takes you)… For that reason, I believe free will is just an excuse to follow your natural instincts… An excuse why your heart and brain can’t filter out your dumbass decisions…
While a couple statements on a thread on the internet doesn’t make you a good or bad guy, there seems to be some pretty kick ass guys contributing to this thread. Cheers to that. The very essence of which T-Nation was created from flows in your veins, I love it…
No amount of money, no amount of power, and just basically anything I will ever acquire will EVER mean anything without a great woman to come home and share it with.
T-Matt[/quote]
Matt, your post is great but your avatar is hurting my eyes…
Monogamy is a female characteristic. It is neither natural nor healthy in males. It is, indeed, a sign of weakness and underachievement.
[quote]Mediated Life wrote:
Cheaters are fucking scum. Male or female. There’s nothing fucking worse than breaking a promise or a dedication. When real men say something, they should mean it. Not shit for the moment or for shits and giggles.
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You can’t break a promise because you can’t make one in the first place. All promises, guarantees, etc, are meaningless. You do not control the future or the past. You have control over the present, and that is all. No matter what you say or think in the present, there is no guarantee that you won’t change in the future. Who do you think you are, God? Enjoy events while they last. Stop trying to overcome yourself. Stop trying to predict and control the future. Stop making promises. They are for the weak.
Matt, your post is great but your avatar is hurting my eyes…
Alpha Female
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That avatar symbolizes just ONE of the manipulating powers a woman has… Nothing can manipulate my mood for the better like a nice rack… “Wipe that smug look off your face Matt!” “Hmm…ok… just… SHOW ME DEM TITTIES!!!”
Oh… and thank you… I’m just glad I realized the truth at 23 years of age and not when I’m heartbroken and divorced with 3 kids…
T-Matt
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
Zen warrior wrote:
daltron wrote:
Or… Men who cheat on their wives are just plain scum.
Only if he gets cut. Otherwise is a lucky guy
Seriously, I wonder if it has to do with high T, but in the realm of science advancement?
It was always my beleive that cheating isnt high T or you loving another woman. Its not being man enough to break up with your wife/girlfriend if you dont like her anymore.
Damn straight. People usually cheat because the realtionships already in trouble. It’s not infidelity that causes the trouble when everything has been perfect. It is my personal belief that human beings are not biologically meant to be a monogamous. Rather, it’s a gift we give to our partners.
Soemthing that we can give. A sacrifice we make because we love them so much. Because we’re not animals. we can forego momentary pleasure and instant gratification to give something greater to someone else [and ourselves]. Not just with sex, but i think delayed gratification is a lot of what separates human beings from animals anyhow.[/quote]
JS have you read “The Roadless Traveled?” just curious… the author, I beleive M. Scott Peck, describes “postponed gratification”, your terminology is similiar, again just curious
Free will is the voice of your natural instincts… Your natural instincts must first be rationalized to be understood in a physical state. Free will is that process…
An abstract essence does have a voice… It is a leap of faith… You can’t see the wind but you can feel it cooling down your body… You don’t know for sure whether he went into that burning building in an honorable manner, but you feel his courage coursing through your veins… The message an abstract essence sends is an encrypted feeling that you feel as the end result… You don’t usually watch honor or nobility or trust unfold right before your vary eyes. You are blinded by the true essence as it takes place but in the end the feeling is there…
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Monogamy is a female characteristic. It is neither natural nor healthy in males. It is, indeed, a sign of weakness and underachievement.
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You must be tired of being wrong all the time.
Monogamy is neither a male or female characteristic. It is something that is inherent in both genders. Just as the desire to cheat on your partner is inherent in both.
Cheating is a sign of weakness.
Keeping your word and bond to your wife is an achievement.
[quote]T-Matt wrote:
Free will… What is free will? It’s an abstract essence… Free will is just like honor… What makes something honorable?
You see a burning building and the firefighters haven’t showed up yet so you decide to go in and rescue 5 people.
The deed seems honorable on the surface. I think the intentions determine the honorability. If you did it to get press and to use it as a softener for the ladies to get laid, you are not honorable. The deed was NOT and honorable
If, however, you did it just for the simple fact that those people’s lives depended on you and you wouldn’t have been able to live with yourself had you not done anything… You are honorable. The deed was honorable.
Free will has to be looked at in the same light. Yes, as human beings we have free will, but we also have a brain and a heart. We negotiate with our brain and heart on what we should and should not do. It is only natural for a man to want have sex with every attractive female he comes within 857 miles of. Our free will tells us to go live our lives like The College Fuck Fest boys. However, the need to find true meaning in life has created a burning desire inside every man to need to do something greater than busting a load all over a sorostitute’s (a sorostitute is a girl who is in a sorority that sleeps around like a prostitute would) cute little slutty face (or pigtails or trampstamp or titties or in her ass her wherever your ‘free will’ takes you)… For that reason, I believe free will is just an excuse to follow your natural instincts… An excuse why your heart and brain can’t filter out your dumbass decisions…
T-Matt[/quote]
I have no idea what your talking about, but it’s probably because of your avatar.
“Wipe that smug look off your face Matt!” “Hmm…ok… just… SHOW ME DEM TITTIES!!!”