Brilliant Men Betray Wives

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Vasectomy

I’m glad JPBear brought this out, I held back not to mention it.

And yes, vasectomy. Though that doesn’t rule out;

1.AIDS
2.Sexual diseases
3.Tubs of Haangen Dazz ice cream to fill the empty void and heartache in women.
4.Cocaine and Ecstasy to avoid The Void and any conciousness pains to keep the dilusion going in men.
5. Alcohol abuse for both sexes to numb the pain of self-abuse.[/quote]

The answer doesn’t lie in Sex either, whether the other person is fertile or not. Externals are not the solution.

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Blah blah blah, this is just pseudoscience crap. And how is JFK brilliant? He’s charismatic and a good speaker who didn’t really do anything spectacular during his presidency, cough Bay of Pigs cough.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
If you think it’s wrong, blame your God for programming you that way.[/quote]

We are not talking about God or blame or what is right and wrong.

We all do what we want to do.

God or not, right or wrong at the end of our “animal human nature” day we are endowed with free will - let us not forget that element of the equasion my fellow T-Einsteins.

What I thought we were talking about is betrayal, hurt, uncontrolable sex drive and, here is my question to you;

Is it natural?

Forget right and wrong, forget the churt and social values.

Consider also the negative consequences I cited in my previous post - including the millions of women with an emotional attachment to Haangen Daz ice cream, ; )

Is it natural - to you - to betray, to act out on your sexual impulses regardless of the consequences;

  1. To you
    2.To the second party
    3.To a possible third or more party

Remember, that woman you are screwing may not be telling you she has three children…

So is it natural for you to be so carefree and have some “fun” in denial of all these objective facts that permeate our human “reality”?

( glorify your sexual “conquests” as you will but don’t leave out the gory reality of the “dark side of that force” is all I ask you - history will tell you that wherever men/women have conquered he/she has caused injury and has left casualties )

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
If you think it’s wrong, blame your God for programming you that way.

We are not talking about God or blame or what is right and wrong.

We all do what we want to do.

God or not, right or wrong at the end of our “animal human nature” day we are endowed with free will - let us not forget that element of the equasion my fellow T-Einsteins.

What I thought we were talking about is betrayal, hurt, uncontrolable sex drive and, here is my question to you;

Is it natural?

Forget right and wrong, forget the churt and social values.

Consider also the negative consequences I cited in my previous post - including the millions of women with an emotional attachment to Haangen Daz ice cream, ; )

Is it natural - to you - to betray, to act out on your sexual impulses regardless of the consequences;

  1. To you
    2.To the second party
    3.To a possible third or more party

Remember, that woman you are screwing may not be telling you she has three children…

So is it natural for you to be so carefree and have some “fun” in denial of all these objective facts that permeate our human “reality”?

( glorify your sexual “conquests” as you will but don’t leave out the gory reality of the “dark side of that force” is all I ask you - history will tell you that wherever men/women have conquered he/she has caused injury and has left casualties )
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Natural? Of course it is. And what is everyone’s “human reality”. We are barely two shades from cavemen. 200 - 300 years of civility does not unprogram thousands of “debaucherie”.

A swine that is born in captivity is released. Within one week that swine is 100% feral. Blame the pig or the genetic programming?

Those who “stray” from their chosen ones aren’t necessarily horrible fuck bags. They have only succumb to their genetic programming. Give them a break and don’t be so judgemental. You would be surprised just how many “good people” have succumbed.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
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Natural? Of course it is. And what is everyone’s “human reality”. We are barely two shades from cavemen. 200 - 300 years of civility does not unprogram thousands of “debaucherie”.

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People have shown loyalty to their spouses and families for thousands of years.

This trait has existed for all of recorded history. It is likely that loyalty extended into prehistoric times.

This is not a 300 year old concept.

I believe that without loyalty to our partners the human race would not have survived.

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Man, whenever Ayn Rand enters into a discussion, it’s time to do something else.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

I believe that without loyalty to our partners the human race would not have survived.[/quote]

Riiiiight.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

I believe that without loyalty to our partners the human race would not have survived.

Riiiiight.
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I believe that, considering the long infancy and childhood of us humans, Zap is right.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

I believe that without loyalty to our partners the human race would not have survived.

Riiiiight.
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So you believe the human race would have survived if our ancestors knocked up their women and walked away?

Because post-partum women and newborns are so good at scavenging their own food?

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Maybe if we’d all done that then women would have all evolved like lionesses. I’m saying that’s a bad thing

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

I believe that without loyalty to our partners the human race would not have survived.

Riiiiight.

So you believe the human race would have survived if our ancestors knocked up their women and walked away?

Because post-partum women and newborns are so good at scavenging their own food?[/quote]

You are way off subject. Who said anything about walking away? Being “disloyal” means that you abandon your current mate?

Most animals walk the earth without partners. Once mating season starts the females are courted by the males. They mate and then the males then take off and the females survive just fine. You telling me that humans couldn’t or haven’t done that that also?

But that’s way off topic.

Good people can stray or have moments of infidelity. Human nature is what it is.No need to judge them or call them names. Both sexes do it and I would assume might feel bad after they have done it.

Same guys on this thread calling “cheaters” scum bags are on the Sex and the Male Animal threads commenting and punishing their root to border-line porn. Are they cheating? Would their wives approve or feel betrayed? Other than BIGRAGOO’s wife, I bet most of their wives would be severly hurt. Is that not being dis-loyal?

I have a great wife and in the eight years we have been together I haven’t been with another woman. Doesn’t mean I don’t have lustful thoughts about other women. I enjoy looking at Porn and she knows it. It’s in my nature.

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:

Give them a break and don’t be so judgemental. You would be surprised just how many “good people” have succumbed.[/quote]

No one is good.

We are only good until we get caught.

And we all get caught.
Goodness and badness aren’t the exclusive domain of sexual infidelity.
So please spare yourself of the distress that this “them X us” mentality brings. As you brought out well, many who pointed the finger and called names may be indulging themselves on the hardfluff “porn” a few clics away…

Secondly, I want to highlight there is a difference between judgement and discernment.

Forgive me Malo, but when I asked the question "Is it Natural to you " I didn’t mean it to you alone; I was throwing the thought out there for all to respond.

Consider my question - to all:

1.Eliminating social mores, religious beliefs, right and wrong, good or bad

2.Using your power of discernment to discriminate the negative consequences or the possible harmful side effects of an uncontrolable sexual appetite; i.e.
1.AIDS
2.Sexual diseases
3.Tubs of Haangen Daaz
4.Cocaine, ecstasy,etc
5.Alcohol abuse
6.Unwanted pregnacy
7.Abortion
8.Domestic Violence
9.Sex Crimes

Is it natural to you to enjoy sex considering that that is on the other side of the coin of all of that “fun” that sexual betrayal can bring?

Think Natural x NORMAL

Consider the following illustrations;

Homosexuality

Is it normal?

Sure. Been around since the begining of time.

Homosexual sex = pleasure (?)

  • I am assuming it’s a yes, otherwise people wouldn’t do it.

Homosexual sex = procreation…No

Is it natural?

I don’t think we would be here to answer that question if it became modus operandi with the ancestors.

Steroids

If made legal would its usage

Be normal?

Sure.

Steroids = mascularity, Yes.

Steroids = healthy muscle growth WITHOUT any adverse side effects or danger to one’s health?

Is it natural? ; )

This is not a tricky question. I am genuinely interested in your opinions of what is natural x normal to each of you individualy on betrayal, hurt, uncontrolable sexual appetite and sex for “fun”.

No judgements.
No right and wrong.

Is it natural?

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:

Same guys on this thread calling “cheaters” scum bags are on the Sex and the Male Animal threads commenting and punishing their root to border-line porn. Are they cheating? Would their wives approve or feel betrayed? Other than BIGRAGOO’s wife, I bet most of their wives would be severly hurt. Is that not being dis-loyal?

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This is an excellent point. I couldn’t have put it better.

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Natural vs. Normal. Good post and good insight, but I don’t think the two can be compared on a worldly level. What is normal in one country is not necessarily normal in another. Social acceptance is what is usually considered normal.

I consider Natural to be instincts that have been engrained in mankind since the begining. Eating, Sex, Resting, Protecting, Dominating etc…

If I am hungry I look for food, If I see an attractive female I get aroused, if I am tired I look for shelter, if I am in danger I will kill to protect myself or what is mine, I dominate so I can eat, have sex, feel safe.

Have humans really developed advanced thinking? Looking at the state of the globe, I say, no. So I am left to disagree with those who say “cheaters are scum bags”. Maybe in another couple thousand of years mankind won’t kill, cheat, steal, rape or allow religion to control their thoughts, but I doubt it.

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[quote]orion wrote:
MrChill wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:

To the rest of the posters:

The problem of “cheating” only arises if monogamy is expected and quite contrary to what ma, pa, society and your church of choice have told you, that is not the human norm, just a social convention.
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Ma, Pa, and my church told me that if I make a solemn vow- I’m to keep it. That whole “forsaking all others” bit in the wedding vows isn’t there just for pomp and circumstance.
Make a promise. Keep it. A MAN is only as good as his word.

As for the “only when monogamy is expected” bit of your post. I agree. But there is no such thing as cheating when you aren’t in a relationship, therefore it’s irrelevant.

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[quote]mica617 wrote:
orion wrote:
MrChill wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:

To the rest of the posters:

The problem of “cheating” only arises if monogamy is expected and quite contrary to what ma, pa, society and your church of choice have told you, that is not the human norm, just a social convention.

Ma, Pa, and my church told me that if I make a solemn vow- I’m to keep it. That whole “forsaking all others” bit in the wedding vows isn’t there just for pomp and circumstance.
Make a promise. Keep it. A MAN is only as good as his word.

As for the “only when monogamy is expected” bit of your post. I agree. But there is no such thing as cheating when you aren’t in a relationship, therefore it’s irrelevant.[/quote]

Ah, relationship equals monogamy…

Well, I guess I can`t win then…

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

I believe that without loyalty to our partners the human race would not have survived.

Riiiiight.

So you believe the human race would have survived if our ancestors knocked up their women and walked away?

Because post-partum women and newborns are so good at scavenging their own food?

You are way off subject. Who said anything about walking away? Being “disloyal” means that you abandon your current mate?

Most animals walk the earth without partners. Once mating season starts the females are courted by the males. They mate and then the males then take off and the females survive just fine. You telling me that humans couldn’t or haven’t done that that also?
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Humans would have evolved differently if our ancestors did this. I suspect our intellect would be less and our physical maturation would occur much more quickly.

True. I was merely addressing that the loyalty to take care of our mates and young was not forced upon us in the last few hundred years.

We have been taking care of our mates for thousands of years. That is why I doubt our ancestors were regularly running around impregnating lots of chicks at the same time. It would be very tough to take care of them all.

Good people can do bad things. Those actions are obviously bad. When they continue to do bad things they are not really good people anymore.

In a way yes. Less than cheating with an actual woman, but most of those guys couldn’t get laid with $100 in a Tijauna whorehouse.

I have been married 10 years and I don’t cheat. I fully understand the temptation as it is in all our nature to look. It is also in our nature to be men and be loyal and take care of our mates.

Good men make good decisions. Bad men make bad decisions.

We all have the same urges. It is what we do with them that counts.

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the majority of posters have said “men are scumb who cheat” “real men are faithful” blah blah. for the most part I agree, you have to have integrity, honesty is important so on and so forth. Self mastery is the key… But ponder this, why do sports stars with amazing physiques and mucho dinero cheat all the time? (just one example) Because they have amazingly hot women throwing themselves at them 24-7, thats why.

If I was in that position I would be banging chicks left and right. you only live once and those opportunities are usually a small window of your life, in other words you got to get it while the getting is good. As you get older it becomes more important to settle down and raise a family and more often then not you dont have the opportunities that you once did (there are exeptions of course)
Some of the most exhilerating moments of ones life are spent in those first intimate moments of a relationship.(in my opinion)

Why the hell do we spend so much time in the gym sculpting our bodies and striving to achieve new career goals? to be desired!!!
relationships are crucial to growth and I am not advocating that people cheat, but it happens. I am not going to sit here and say Kobe Bryant is weak, a scumb bag, blah blah blah. He just gave in to temptation, it can happen to anyone given the right circumstances, was it a mistake? does he regret it? probably…but he is a man with opportunities that most of us dont have…dont hate!!

you know your willy gets hard everytime you visit T-Nation and a fine a$$ girl is posted on the home page, imagine if she was throwing herself at you? just because it doesnt happen to you does’nt mean your better than someone else that has the opportunities.
I am not saying Its right to cheat, let me be clear about that, what I am saying is it happens and I can understand why. As you get older you grow, become more mature, and can control those temptations, you make mistakes, doesnt make you less of a person than the next man. thats my take now you guys can hate on me

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Malo Verde (is that referring to the chili you make) and cram, good points my testosterone brethren.

Many of us guys may be lucky to be with the one women who accepted us and really as cram pointed out don’t have women tripping over-themselves propositioning us.

Or if you are married you have have insulated yourself from this type of exposure. In a biological sense we have a strong testosterone driven urge to procreate stronger in some then others.

Combine that with opportunity and then combine that with insurance your wife won’t catch you and cut your balls off and I think some (not all) that are sanctimonious may crumble under the pressure of Jenna Jameson rubbing her ample chest on them with promises of ecstasy beyond their wildest dreams.

Empires have risen and crumbled due to the desire and lust for a women.
D

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[quote]
Good men make good decisions. Bad men make bad decisions.

We all have the same urges. It is what we do with them that counts.[/quote]

I appreciate your post but, Good men/women DO make bad decisions sometimes.

I guess that’s where people like me differ from people like you. People like you have set the bar so high that there is no room for errors or mistakes without understanding and forgiveness.

Accepting that your significant other or people in general are not perfect, to me, is a huge step in understanding mankind.

Would I forgive my spouse for straying on me. I have no idea. I would rather not know. Hopefully I satisfy her mentally and physically. I don’t think many other woman would put up with my shit.