Brilliant Men Betray Wives

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Hmm…let’s think about this here. Is the difference in sexual practices/supposed urges of men and women biological or cultural?

It’s both, but biology is more primal than culture. What is true about women in terms of their biology apples to women of all cultures.

I don’t think women are capable of being just as horny as men because they simply haven’t got the equipment to feel pleasure the way men do! They haven’t got real penises!

Also, I disagree with your point about women’s capacity for having multiple O’s and what this says about their sexuality. I am convinced, without doubt, that the reason women can “orgasm” multiple times is because their orgasms are nowhere near as intense as the male version. Women’s orgasms are equivalent to the weak versions experienced by pre-pubescent males. If we are define all O’s by this weak standard, then men orgasm dozens of times in every sexual encounter and easily beat their female counterparts.

Zap Branigan wrote:
This is a social thing. And I still get hit on all the time by women and I am an average looking guy.

How did it get to be a social thing in the first place? Society builds on the foundation laid by biology. That’s how.

You are likely getting hit on by some women who are simply interested in your money. This happens all the time TO men from women, but practically never FROM men to women.

Zap Branigan wrote:
It is a power play and it is easily reversed. If you are in a long term relationship and your parter withholds sex turn the tables. It works.

Your logic doesn’t hold. A true power play exploits some advantage that one person has over another. Therefore, withholding sex can only be a power play if one person wants it more than the other. If they both wanted it to the same extent, then they would both be equally deprived, and thus neither person would be in an advantageous position over the other. There is no doubt that withholding sex is a power play, but in order for this to be true, you must also accept that men and women do not have equal sex drives.

Zap Branigan wrote:
You appear to be confusing things.

Men need to orgasm to impregnate women so men easily orgasm.

While female orgasm can help her get pregnant it is by no means necessary.

Orgasms can be considered for their biological function (insemination) or for their pleasure aspect. It was the latter that I was addressing. I do not believe I have anything confused.

I think that you and others who hold the belief of gender parity on the sexual level must be living on a different planet. Take 10 average women and 10 average men. You offer each one of them the opportunity to sleep with a member of the opposite sex. Then you compare the rate of acceptance of this proposal from one gender to another. Isn’t it a given that the rate of acceptance will be skewed heavily towards the male side? This is a very simple demonstration of the biological fact that women do not derive as much physical pleasure from sex as men do, and thus are nowhere near as inclined to partake in sexual acts.

jsbrook wrote:
That is absolutely ridiculous. Now a woman is simply a male enuch. And because she has a different biological structure that makes her sex drive lower? The clit is still a sex orgasm. Stimulation leads to orgasm. And women have vaginal orgasms as well. Does a man with a small penis have a lower sex drive than a large penis? And here’s a much simpler explanation for why women have been subservient to men historically. Women, in general, are smaller and weaker. Until very recently, size and strength have been put at a great premium. Lo and behold, as other factors have become increasingly important for us a a species to thrive and have succesful societies, women have made great strides.

What’s so ridiculous? It’s biology. Science. What I have written is true. Hormone levels are pretty much all that seperates the sexes.

Women haven’t got “different” biological structures, per se. The use of that word conjures up an invisible wall of seperation that can never be surmounted. But that’s malarkey, because men and women aren’t “seperate” entities, they are merely opposing ends of the same spectrum, with the only real difference between them coming in the form of hormones. Hormones can be altered.

There are features of both sexes that are considered structurally analagous to one another in biology. Their embryonic development is the same or very similiar, and they are constructed from the same tissues. The penis and the clit are one example. The testes and the ovaries are another. Such comparisons can be made between all gender-specific bodyparts.

It horrifies most men to think of their female partners as nothing more than male eunuchs wearing face paint and a dress, but biologically speaking, that statement is perfectly accurate. Welcome to the 21st century. It’s a brave new world.

Headhunter wrote:
In other words, stop thinking and acting like a human being and restrict the range of your consciousness to that of an animal’s.

Humans beings are also animals. Misery and suffering are the traits that best characterize the human animal.

What I have written about can be associated with Buddhism, Transcendentalism, and various Eastern schools of thought.

Nothing you say or do can disprove the validity of what I wrote. There are no guarantees in life, there is no way to control the future, and therefore, all promises are lies. Hope is “the currency of the weak”, to quote one social philosopher.

To overcome the weakness imposed by one’s mental “spooks” is to be an enlightened person.[/quote]

Yeah. Very unfortunate for us who have found sexual satisfaction and a true partnership with one woman, thus removing us from the misery and suffering that characterize the human animal.

Is it just me, or does Nominal Prospect sound like Al Shades’ slightly older brother?

Before it was Rand and Harry Browne, and now it’s Quine and Harry Browne.

Same bitter outlook on humanity.

Just thinking aloud.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

If you say so.

You’ve been reading too many books and been doing too little fucking.
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Well-put.

[quote]dranon wrote:
You got it wrong! Aplayboy wants to play around with different women. He doesn’t want that. He wishes his wife would give him all he needs but he’s accepted that thats not going to happen. He loves and cares deeply for her but the passion is gone, probably because he never got it from her. The gal he sees now is just a “banging buddy” he doesn’t feel love for her, but they fill each others needs. He is not going to leave his wife and he is NOT looking for other girls.[/quote]

The classic definition indeed.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Is it just me, or does Nominal Prospect sound like Al Shades’ slightly older brother?

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Is not just you…

0.9 women, anyone?..

[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Sex is too important a part of a relationship to be wholly unsatisfied.

And it’s a problem when you can’t work together to resolve it. I think lies and deceit poison a relationship even the only problem originally was a sexual one.[/quote]

Ok, consider this point jsbrook raised. Now why would the wife, or anyone with a lower sex drive, NOT want to raise the bar and catch up with your partner?
Why would you not to want experience more sexually, “man up” as it were, take it to a higher level - it’s not like he is asking her to run a marathon with him, I mean she will benefit by getting more pleasure. The reason why sex is such a big deal is because is pleasurable - otherwise people wouldn’t have problems resisting compromising situations.

So, guys, if he is her best friend, a loving father, why would a woman not be interested in “upgrading” her connection?

All right, I get it.

Every male that is not willing to sacrifice all of his dreams, desires and time to his wife and kids is a piece of shit.

The Ueber-Male is also convinced that this is what real men do.

I personally think that this leads to a pussified society and spoiled brats for children.

And please, never forget how women treat men that give them everything they think they want…

[quote]orion wrote:
All right, I get it.

Every male that is not willing to sacrifice all of his dreams, desires and time to his wife and kids is a piece of shit.

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Couldn’t all of his dreams, desires and time be inclusive of his wife and kids?

Why is there a need to be a split?

This is why I don’t get it? I can’t cut off parts of myself and live in a state of separation.

I sincerely can’t relate; it’s like a bipolar living to me. How can you split yourself like that on a daily basis?

Isn’t that sexual schizophrenia?

[quote]orion wrote:

And please, never forget how women treat men that give them everything they think they want…
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That point you raised there is more a question of not being able to recognize love even if you tripped on it - it is her deficiency.

It is undisputable that there are just as many selfish women and, of course you need a selfless man but isn’t that also self-serving since the “loving partner” is fullfilling his need to be seen as “good”?

And if you’re being treated badly because you are bad what merit is there in it but if you’re being trated badly because you are “good” isn’t that honorable?..

Isn’t he also getting his ego stroked through martyrdom?

To make a mistake is a heart failure - you failed to discern the truth of a person or situation.

To continue in it is ego - you are in it for a reason. And you get not what your heart wants but what your ego demands for.

Maybe it is more accurate to say we are all swimming in our own scum.

Quite an interesting thread!

Since going on HRT, my libido skyrocketed. I was concerned that my wife, in her early 40’s, might not like sex every day. Wow, was I wrong! She always had a high drive but now…

Sidenote: She also said she likes the smell of Testim, the gel you smear on for the HRT. I’m on shots now but found it wierd how the scent fired her up.

HH

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
orion wrote:
All right, I get it.

Every male that is not willing to sacrifice all of his dreams, desires and time to his wife and kids is a piece of shit.

Couldn’t all of his dreams, desires and time be inclusive of his wife and kids?

Why is there a need to be a split?

This is why I don’t get it? I can’t cut off parts of myself and live in a state of separation.

I sincerely can’t relate; it’s like a bipolar living to me. How can you split yourself like that on a daily basis?

Isn’t that sexual schizophrenia?

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Simple answer. No. Don’t you have friends and hobbies? I want my own hobbies and I want my wife to have hers. Kids too, they need alone time to do kid things.

I fish and don’t want my wife there. She shops and I don’t want to go with her.

I live WITH my family, not FOR them. I will not shrivel and die or feel incomplete if I don’t spend every waking moment with them or thinking about them.

Come on Alpha F, after so many good posts, I don’t think you thought this one through.

[quote]orion wrote:
All right, I get it.

Every male that is not willing to sacrifice all of his dreams, desires and time to his wife and kids is a piece of shit.
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I don’t think anyone is saying this. Just that cheating on your wife takes away from little time you actually have to spend with the wife and kids.

I only see them for a few hours a night on weekdays. Imagine if I was having an affair. It would directly impact quality time with the family.

Spending time with your kids does not mean spoiling them. It means showing them the right way to live life.

Spending time with the wife does not mean giving her everything she wants.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

I don’t think anyone is saying this. Just that cheating on your wife takes away from little time you actually have to spend with the wife and kids.

I only see them for a few hours a night on weekdays. Imagine if I was having an affair. It would directly impact quality time with the family.

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Your are right and I never thought about it that way.

I must have sex at the workplace then, neglecting my job, not my family…

[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
orion wrote:
All right, I get it.

Every male that is not willing to sacrifice all of his dreams, desires and time to his wife and kids is a piece of shit.

Couldn’t all of his dreams, desires and time be inclusive of his wife and kids?

Why is there a need to be a split?

This is why I don’t get it? I can’t cut off parts of myself and live in a state of separation.

I sincerely can’t relate; it’s like a bipolar living to me. How can you split yourself like that on a daily basis?

Isn’t that sexual schizophrenia?

Simple answer. No. Don’t you have friends and hobbies? I want my own hobbies and I want my wife to have hers. Kids too, they need alone time to do kid things.

I fish and don’t want my wife there. She shops and I don’t want to go with her.

I live WITH my family, not FOR them. I will not shrivel and die or feel incomplete if I don’t spend every waking moment with them or thinking about them.

Come on Alpha F, after so many good posts, I don’t think you thought this one through.
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What I meant was captured in Zap’s answer above.

The topic is sexual betrayal - duplicity.

Of course you mustn’t live FOR anyone. That erases you completely and reduces you to a doormat - she would definetely NOT respect you.

You can still have all your dreams and hobbies and live in the persuit of them but does that mean splitting your sexaul life between two women?

Unless you are sharing yourself sexualy with your fish or fishing partners I don’t think your wife cares nor would she want/need to tag along. ; )

Your body (vehiacle of sexual expression) is wholy for her pleasure alone as her body is wholy for YOUR pleasure ALONE.

I meant sexual integrity.

I’m sure she has male friends as you have female friends that you spend time with but to share your body sexualy with these causes a split in that your body/her body was once a means of pleasure for her/you only - which made you one with her and her one with you.

When you break the sexual bond and split yourself between two partners that means your sexual circumnstances KEEP CHANGING/SWINGING between entirely different people, that to me is akin to a sexual schitzophrenia.

I’m not denying it isn’t pleasurable but, to ME, and this is only one of many perceptions - it is like splitting and living in parallel universes without fully inhabiting either one.

I, personally, would feel “crazied” but, hey, maybe that’s what all the fuss is about! ; )

P.S. I’m an idealist, don’t take me too seriously!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Quite an interesting thread!

Sidenote: She also said she likes the smell of Testim, the gel you smear on for the HRT. I’m on shots now but found it wierd how the scent fired her up.

HH[/quote]

Aaaah…that is probably what I’m picking up from this guy at the gym…

…I remember talking to him and saying; Ummmm, I love his smell…

It’s sexual insanity working out with him!

I once cried doing my bicep curls as the pressure got too great;

He took his shirt off and was acting like a peacock in front of me (he knows I want to mate, I mean, date him, : o )
What did he want me to do, rape him on the bench press?

So don’t you boys tell me how hard it is to control your sexual drives unless you have cried while lifting something heavy and finding yourself overflowing with desire.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

I live WITH my family, not FOR them. This says a lot about your situation and the situation of many. Have a fun life and check back with us in 20 - 30 years. We’ll tally up scores of How-Satisfied-I-Am-With-My-Life.

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Hi pusharder,

Intersting perspective on your post!

What is your understanding on living FOR your family?
I thought Malo meant “the doormat” kind of husband who lives THROUGH his family, the ‘it doesn’t really “matter”’ type of attitude.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Is it just me, or does Nominal Prospect sound like Al Shades’ slightly older brother?

Is not just you…

0.9 women, anyone?..

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Sounds intriguing as long as it’s the right 0.1 that’s missing.

DB

[quote]pushharder wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
orion wrote:
All right, I get it.

Every male that is not willing to sacrifice all of his dreams, desires and time to his wife and kids is a piece of shit.

Couldn’t all of his dreams, desires and time be inclusive of his wife and kids?

Why is there a need to be a split?

This is why I don’t get it? I can’t cut off parts of myself and live in a state of separation.

I sincerely can’t relate; it’s like a bipolar living to me. How can you split yourself like that on a daily basis?

Isn’t that sexual schizophrenia?

Simple answer. No. Don’t you have friends and hobbies? Yes. I want my own hobbies and I want my wife to have hers. Kids too, they need alone time to do kid things. Sure. Of course.

I fish and don’t want my wife there. Sometimes I want her there. Sometimes not. But I’d much rather have her with me than without. The man who excludes his wife from his hobbies is not as happy as the one who doesn’t. Trust me. I have 23 years of marriage to the same woman backing me up on this one. I have friends who have the mutually exclusive hobby/friend thing like you mention. I wouldn’t trade places with them for a second. And I KNOW they would trade places with me. [/quote]

You must admit that it doesn’t hurt that your hobbies include banging the shit out of other people;)

mine too.

[quote] She shops and I don’t want to go with her. Yi. Yi. Yi. That’s a toughie. :wink: You just have to be creative and find fun things to do while shopping that are mutually beneficial. (Can elaborate if need be but even with the fun things, I admit, the shopping thing is better left to her and her alone, [smile])

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It’s a lot more tolerable to go into the dressing rooms with her. I have to admit I don’t really mind shopping as long as it isn’t shoes or fabric and it doesn’t last too long. My endurance isn’t good.

DB