Brain Function Boosters

[quote]middleageguy wrote:

Hey, let us know how your exam worked out for you…[/quote]

Well through no fault of the nootropic components, I don’t think I did that great, I had a serious situation at home and didn’t have the studying environment I needed. This even affected my showing up an hour late for the class on test day, but I managed to finish the exam in a half hour vs. the hour and a half the rest of the class had.

    All things considered the moda helped immensely, not I just have to wait and see if I got a passing grade or what. Working on the next section, (endocrine system) while studying for the lab practical on cranial nerve human/sheep brain dissection labeling, cow eye, and a few other goodies. Going with good ol Vinpo and a few others now. Sorry to have been unable to fully test how proper studying would have been affected.

               ToneBone

Kingfin, I ordered my Adrafinil from www.smart-drugs.net . It is branded as ‘Olmifon’.

One box of 40 x 300mg tablets is $34.95USD plus postage. No problems at all getting it through customs, and if you look at my location you will see that we have notoriously difficult customs. They checked it and let it through.

I made a post about my first impressions of it earlier if you want to search a few pages back. It’s on page 4 at the moment.

Check out the erowid experience vaults on Adrafinil at:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Adrafinil.shtml

One of the positive effects is increased presence of mind and workout intensity. If I take two tablets, I get tingly rushing feelings up my scalp, similar to an amphetamine rush, but not as euphoric. I just feel more ‘there’ and connected to the outside world, while still being able to focus internally.

I didn’t notice any sides. I do seem to feel a little bit pissed off while on it, but I think that is just my own issues coming to the forefront. One of the listed side effects is ‘inner tension’ and perhaps that is how I experienced inner tension.

I still have a few left, but only use them when I feel that I need a boost or want to get something done.

It is similar to Moda, as it metabolizes into modafinil after it is taken, but from the sounds of things, pure Moda is far superior and cleaner.

So I’ve been on piracetam for about 2 weeks now. First week I was dosing about 1.4g a day, second week bumped it up to about 2.2g a day.

Thus far I’ve noticed a bit of a mood boost, a more positive outlook, and I don’t procrastinate as much. If something needs to be done, I do it, I suppose it’s boosting my motivation a bit.

So far, I’m not disappointed. I’ve heard effects can take weeks to fully kick in so I’m anticipating even more. Hoping it improves my memory recall and retention in the coming months.

I smoked a lot of pot from age 15-20 and did some experimenting with some hard drugs during developmental stages so I’m hoping that pira’s brain healing abilities may help me out.

I’ve still got my alpha-GPC on hand that I’m waiting to dive into probably in a couple weeks. I’m really looking forward to it as I’ve seen a lot of rave reviews on the stuff.

Also, I bought bulk sulbutiamine for pre workouts. I started out strong and did a 600mg dose for my first go. Oh my god. I’ve used Spike many times before, but 600mg was too much. I felt buzzed and on edge. Like a paranoid high, it was terrible. Next time I will drop my dose to around 300mg.

Hormone Of Darkness: Melatonin Could Hurt Memory Formation At Night

ScienceDaily (Nov. 17, 2007) �?? What do you do when a naturally occurring hormone in your body turns against you? What do you do when that same hormone �?? melatonin �?? is a popular supplement you take to help you sleep? A University of Houston professor and his team of researchers may have some answers.
Gregg W. Roman, assistant professor in the department of biology and biochemistry at UH, describes his team�??s findings in Science.

Frequently called �??the hormone of darkness,�?? melatonin is a hormone the body produces that may regulate patterns of sleeping and awakening in humans. In almost all organisms tested, this antioxidant�??s natural levels are high during the night and low during the day. In addition to what the body produces naturally, many people also take melatonin supplements to fight jet lag, balance out seasonal affect disorder and regulate nighttime dementia.

Roman says, however, that melatonin could actually be hurting you at night, finding in a study with zebrafish (Danio rerio) that melatonin directly inhibits memory formation.

�??This work is about the mechanism by which the biological clock controls the formation of new memories,�?? Roman said. �??We were interested in the circadian control �?? the day-night cycle control �?? of learning and memory formation. We found zebrafish are capable of learning very well during their active phase during the day, but learn very poorly at night during their sleep or quiet phase.�??

The experiments were performed using zebrafish for several reasons. They�??re small and breed in large numbers (thereby being less expensive to use), and they are diurnal, having the same activity rhythms as people. Zebrafish are most active during the day and less active at night, whereas many other vertebrate model systems, such as rodents, are nocturnal. Roman reasons that if you are interested in how the biological clock regulates cognitive function in humans, you should use a model system that reacts to the clock the same way people do.

More than two years worth of work, including the discovery that the ability to learn and remember was controlled by an endogenous (or internal) clock originating within the zebrafish, led Roman and his colleagues to hypothesize that melatonin may be responsible for poor learning and memory formation during the night. In order to test whether melatonin was involved in inhibiting nighttime learning and memory formation, they treated the zebrafish during the day with this hormone to see how the fish performed. Interestingly, melatonin failed to affect learning, but dramatically inhibited the formation of new memories, with the melatonin-treated fish resembling fish trained during the night in a test for 24-hour memory.

�??The next step was to inhibit melatonin signaling during the night with a melatonin receptor antagonist and test for effects on memory formation,�?? Roman said. �??It was tremendous �?? the results were, excuse the expression, like night and day. We saw dramatic improvements in nighttime memory formation by inhibiting melatonin signaling, indicating that the reason the zebrafish did not form memories at night was because of the melatonin hormone.�??

Next, with the pineal gland being the primary source of melatonin in fish and in people, Roman�??s student Oliver Rawashdeh removed this gland from the fish and found they could now form memories at high levels even during the night. Removing this melatonin-producing gland allowed the researchers to alleviate the hormone�??s negative side effects, further demonstrating that melatonin inhibits the formation of new memories during the night.

With these findings, Roman hopes to be able to retain the beneficial effects of melatonin�??s antioxidant properties. Such benefits include fighting free radical damage to slow some forms of neurodegeneration, such as in Parkinson�??s and Alzheimer�??s diseases, and stopping DNA damage, which has potential to act as a preventative against cancer. And, since the positive antioxidant effect is direct and independent of receptor signaling, there is hope that removing the melatonin receptor signaling will combat only this hormone�??s negative effects on cognitive function.

Additionally, Roman said that inhibiting melatonin signaling with receptor antagonists may help with a large number of nighttime cognitive tasks, helping such people as students studying for finals, airplane pilots, ER physicians and night-shift workers. Roman also thinks that a natural role of melatonin may be to facilitate the storage of memories made during the day and that more studies are required to understand the ultimate role melatonin has in memory formation.

�??The value of melatonin as a supplement is largely due to its antioxidant properties,�?? Roman said. �??The use of melatonin receptor antagonists will not affect this attribute, but may alleviate an important side effect on nighttime cognitive function.�??

In other words, a �??best of both worlds�?? scenario could result, taking advantage of melatonin�??s antioxidant benefits while improving nighttime memory formation that is now inhibited by it.

Roman�??s team at UH for this breakthrough study includes Gregory M. Cahill, associate professor of biology and biochemistry, and two of their students and research assistants, Oliver Rawashdeh and Nancy Hernandez de Borsetti.

The Science article is entitled �??Melatonin Suppresses Nighttime Memory Formation in Zebrafish,�?? and will be published Nov. 16.

[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
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schwarz, that studied confused me a bit. After the initial paragraph, I couldn’t find anything else in there pertaining to melatonin. Which is a shame, since it’s something I use every once in a while when I want a solid 10 hours of sleep. Think you could clarify the study a bit, or post a link?

Also, I’ve been taking oxi and vinpo, which are very good imo. I think the stim affects I felt the first time I took oxi were either just placebo or very shortlived, because I don’t experience that anymore when I take it. I was wondering if any of you guys know of a good stim that I could use to go with these. Whenever I go to study or write a paper, I just feel “out of it” without one. I do a cup or two of coffee pretty consistently from day to day, but I was wondering if there is anything else people recommend. I’m willing to try anything, really; I’m very resistant to jitters when it comes to things like stims, so I should be alright with whatever you can throw at me.

[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
Schwarzenegger wrote:

schwarz, that studied confused me a bit. After the initial paragraph, I couldn’t find anything else in there pertaining to melatonin. Which is a shame, since it’s something I use every once in a while when I want a solid 10 hours of sleep. Think you could clarify the study a bit, or post a link?

Also, I’ve been taking oxi and vinpo, which are very good imo. I think the stim affects I felt the first time I took oxi were either just placebo or very shortlived, because I don’t experience that anymore when I take it. I was wondering if any of you guys know of a good stim that I could use to go with these. Whenever I go to study or write a paper, I just feel “out of it” without one. I do a cup or two of coffee pretty consistently from day to day, but I was wondering if there is anything else people recommend. I’m willing to try anything, really; I’m very resistant to jitters when it comes to things like stims, so I should be alright with whatever you can throw at me.[/quote]

Same here - The title was about melatonin, but the article was about a mathematical training method for children?

It was interesting nonetheless. I remember when I used to play baseball as a kid (I know, I’m Aussie but I was raised in Indonesia and educated/ raised in an American international school with American culture). Anyway, my dad sent me to a Japanese baseball training camp - it was intense, repetitive and very rigorous. They trained us so hard that one time I was even vomiting the next day. But my skills increased tenfold from it. The same could be said for learning any skill- physical or intellectual. The intense asian training methods can be rigorous, sometimes harsh, but they do work.

Epimetheus - as mentioned in this thread, if you can get your hands on it, Modafinil may be the stim you are looking for. It’s not strongly addictive like amphetamines, but has some of the positive effects.

If you can’t get your hands on Modafinil, then Adrafinil is comparable in effect although not quite as clean or effective.

Also look out for ‘ampakines’ in the near future.

[quote]kingfin4 wrote:
Hey Johnny Blaze how is the adrafanil going(any sides, when did you take it and do you think it works etc.) and where did you get it.
Thanks, for any help.[/quote]

If you can, try to get modafinil. It’s a lot cleaner, and the side effects are slim to none compared to adrafanil. Adranafil, you need to cycle off and cannot take for long periods of time. Modafinil doesn’t.

Modafinil is just a better analog of adrafanil. Works the same or better, with less side effects.

[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Epimetheus wrote:
Schwarzenegger wrote:

Same here - The title was about melatonin, but the article was about a mathematical training method for children?

It was interesting nonetheless. I remember when I used to play baseball as a kid (I know, I’m Aussie but I was raised in Indonesia and educated/ raised in an American international school with American culture). Anyway, my dad sent me to a Japanese baseball training camp - it was intense, repetitive and very rigorous. They trained us so hard that one time I was even vomiting the next day. But my skills increased tenfold from it. The same could be said for learning any skill- physical or intellectual. The intense asian training methods can be rigorous, sometimes harsh, but they do work.

Epimetheus - as mentioned in this thread, if you can get your hands on it, Modafinil may be the stim you are looking for. It’s not strongly addictive like amphetamines, but has some of the positive effects.

If you can’t get your hands on Modafinil, then Adrafinil is comparable in effect although not quite as clean or effective.

Also look out for ‘ampakines’ in the near future.[/quote]

I’d really like to try and find some Moda, but it sounds like it’s something I can’t really afford for the time being. I also don’t really want to risk losing a shipment to customs or buying from a bunk dealer. I’ll scrape together some funds and give Adrafinil a try.

I read a bit about those ampakines, and they sound intriguing. Any idea how long it will be until we’ll see them on the market?

Hey tone, how hard was it for you to get your hands on the Moda? and was it relatively cheap?

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I’m starting piracetam this week. I’m thinking 2g a day.

I also picked up some alpha GPC and will probably dose that at 1g a day starting in a week or two.

May add vinpo in a while depending on how pira and alpha hit me.

       Sounds like a decent combo, keep us in on the loop bro. I heard good/bad on piracetam, so would be interesting to hear how it goes for you.

                   ToneBone[/quote]

So far I’ve been on piracetam for 2 weeks. First week@1.4g, second week@2.2g. Thus far I’ve noticed some more energy, a mood lift with a more positive outlook, and I’ve been procrastinating less. If I have something I need to do, I do it, no beating around it… I’ve heard effects can take weeks to kick in so I’m still waiting for more pronounced effects, I may also up my dose.

So far I have not been disappointed and with it’s cheap price tag, it will probably become a staple.

This week or next week I’m going to add in alpha GPC(50%)@500 mg a day, then may bump it up to 1g a day.

I also bought some bulk sulbutamine. My first dose was 600mg which was too much. I felt nervous, twitchy, irritable, buzzed, like a bad paranoid high. Next time I’ll drop my dose to 300mg.

I also just ordered some acetyl l-carnitine and I may also purchase some vinpo once I get a scale. I’m going to tinker with everything and create my perfect noot stack.

Has anyone here tried phenibut??

[quote]HJLau75 wrote:
kingfin4 wrote:
Hey Johnny Blaze how is the adrafanil going(any sides, when did you take it and do you think it works etc.) and where did you get it.
Thanks, for any help.

If you can, try to get modafinil. It’s a lot cleaner, and the side effects are slim to none compared to adrafanil. Adranafil, you need to cycle off and cannot take for long periods of time. Modafinil doesn’t.

Modafinil is just a better analog of adrafanil. Works the same or better, with less side effects.
[/quote]

That’s right, I forgot to mention that Adrafinil can raise liver values which is the reason why it has to be cycled, if used on a regular daily basis. But it’s good for those who can’t afford or source Moda and wish to try a good cheap stim (while they either save up some money or come up with an ingenious method to import some Moda, lol).

Hmmm…I was thinking maybe methanol or ethanol. But a little tidbit of info I found is that it “is sparingly to slightly soluble in methanol and acetone”

There is a detailed pharmaceutical patent covering possible aqueous solutions here:

http://www.pharmcast.com/Patents100/Yr2005/July2005/071905/6919378_Modafinil071905.htm

Apparently a mixture of propylene glycol (such as PEG-400) and some type of alcohol does the trick.

I was thinking, wtf? That’s like drinking radiator coolant, lol.

Sounds like a good concept anyways. You’d probably be able to cook something up. How about pricing?

Anyone know if the racetams are heat labile? Any issues dissolving them in tea or whatnot?

[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Epimetheus wrote:
Schwarzenegger wrote:

Same here - The title was about melatonin, but the article was about a mathematical training method for children?

It was interesting nonetheless. I remember when I used to play baseball as a kid (I know, I’m Aussie but I was raised in Indonesia and educated/ raised in an American international school with American culture). Anyway, my dad sent me to a Japanese baseball training camp - it was intense, repetitive and very rigorous. They trained us so hard that one time I was even vomiting the next day. But my skills increased tenfold from it. The same could be said for learning any skill- physical or intellectual. The intense asian training methods can be rigorous, sometimes harsh, but they do work.

Epimetheus - as mentioned in this thread, if you can get your hands on it, Modafinil may be the stim you are looking for. It’s not strongly addictive like amphetamines, but has some of the positive effects.

If you can’t get your hands on Modafinil, then Adrafinil is comparable in effect although not quite as clean or effective.

Also look out for ‘ampakines’ in the near future.

I’d really like to try and find some Moda, but it sounds like it’s something I can’t really afford for the time being. I also don’t really want to risk losing a shipment to customs or buying from a bunk dealer. I’ll scrape together some funds and give Adrafinil a try.

I read a bit about those ampakines, and they sound intriguing. Any idea how long it will be until we’ll see them on the market?

Hey tone, how hard was it for you to get your hands on the Moda? and was it relatively cheap?[/quote]

          Epi, I got a sample pack from a very good friend as a gift. Everywhere I have looked to actually but it from any kind of site is outrageously priced. Think 160.00 U.S, dollars for a 30 day supply at 100mg/day I believe. Things look to be in the works possibly down the road, bushy's on a good idea about liquid suspension, but is working out the "bugs" of such an idea presently as it looks.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well pricing would have been very reasonable, since it used to be possible to pick up a kile for less that 500usd. Since op wildfire or whatever it was called, I have to buy in 20g lots for $88.

So whilst it would still be cheaper - I was thinking 30 x 100mg for 60usd - it could be a fu*k of a lot less, thank you America.

Bushy[/quote]

           Sorry we Yanks fucked everything up again. LOL.

       Seriously, that sounds really genius though Bushy, you never cease to amaze.

                ToneBone

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I’m starting piracetam this week. I’m thinking 2g a day.

I also picked up some alpha GPC and will probably dose that at 1g a day starting in a week or two.

May add vinpo in a while depending on how pira and alpha hit me.

       Sounds like a decent combo, keep us in on the loop bro. I heard good/bad on piracetam, so would be interesting to hear how it goes for you.

                   ToneBone

So far I’ve been on piracetam for 2 weeks. First week@1.4g, second week@2.2g. Thus far I’ve noticed some more energy, a mood lift with a more positive outlook, and I’ve been procrastinating less. If I have something I need to do, I do it, no beating around it… I’ve heard effects can take weeks to kick in so I’m still waiting for more pronounced effects, I may also up my dose.

So far I have not been disappointed and with it’s cheap price tag, it will probably become a staple.

This week or next week I’m going to add in alpha GPC(50%)@500 mg a day, then may bump it up to 1g a day.

I also bought some bulk sulbutamine. My first dose was 600mg which was too much. I felt nervous, twitchy, irritable, buzzed, like a bad paranoid high. Next time I’ll drop my dose to 300mg.

I also just ordered some acetyl l-carnitine and I may also purchase some vinpo once I get a scale. I’m going to tinker with everything and create my perfect noot stack.

Has anyone here tried phenibut??[/quote]

      Wow bro that salbut sounds like some serious shit. Let's hear how the lower dose goes next wkout please.

            Good to hear success on the anirace. Where did you get yours? Same question on the sulbut.

                 TBN

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Interesting; 1000mg of salbutiamine did NOTHING for me.
[/quote]

Same! Although, maybe because I’ve been playing with other much more powerful compounds I’m not noticing anything.

I’m in my “exam week” at the moment, and so far today it’s been:

Spike tablets (this is from 6am - now 10pm)

approx. 3g oxi

around 60mg vinpo (not sure this is such a good idea, but I’ve noticed an improvement from my “staple” 30g)

12mg nicotine (lozenges)

250mg Kava root (30%)

I think this officially qualifies as abuse, lol.

NB: This sounds odd (it is) but with high-dose nicotine, I’ve noticed I feel “taller” after using it, or rather, the floor feels further away. Apparently this isn’t unheard of.

I would do some more research on this phenomenon, but I can hear Cytomegalovirus and Acute myeloid leukaemia calling my name… Dammit I shouldn’t be on here.

Dave