The truth is I talk like that sometimes, just did it over on the off topic thread a while ago about Stu's dog dying. That's proof that it's not so much from the nootropics, though yes I'm sure the Moda added something, but I think the nature of the call had more to do with the rant. I guess the topic is what had you assuming I'm sitting over here "tripping out". LOL.
Fact is I didn't plan on making the call, but it happened and I put out some personal shit about it. The analogy on heaven and so forth was something I had mentioned to Stu, and just rehashed it a bit here. So, again, not saying the moda didn't have a play in that, but certainly not to the level you inferred Brant.
Of course that's just my opinion right?
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
The truth is I talk like that sometimes, just did it over on the off topic thread a while ago about Stu's dog dying. That's proof that it's not so much from the nootropics, though yes I'm sure the Moda added something, but I think the nature of the call had more to do with the rant. I guess the topic is what had you assuming I'm sitting over here "tripping out". LOL.
Fact is I didn't plan on making the call, but it happened and I put out some personal shit about it. The analogy on heaven and so forth was something I had mentioned to Stu, and just rehashed it a bit here. So, again, not saying the moda didn't have a play in that, but certainly not to the level you inferred Brant.
Of course that's just my opinion right?
[/quote]
Woah, sorry Tone! I had no intention of it being interpreted as a belittling comment (I had no thought that it could even be possibly viewed as that actually.)
I’ve noticed when I start thinking thoughts like you wrote about ambition, drive, accomplishment, independence, ect, is when I’m at my sharpest mentally and most productive. I wrongly assumed that my thought process was similar to yours, which is insulting to you. I wasn’t commenting on your personal problems, only speaking to what you said in the last few paragraphs (which I thought would be indicated by the fact that I only quoted part of your post, again me making assumptions about how you would see it.)
As far as relating to nootropics, I think we can both agree that they do not make you smarter than you really are, or more creative, or more perceptive, if you don’t have that capacity on your own. In a sense, I was trying to be complimentary, in a round about way, because what you wrote came from you.
I’m not doing a good job of explaining myself, so bottom line is I’m sorry for what I said, and in no way meant it to be dismissive, insulting, or demeaning.
Back to Moda stuff:
I want to make an important point here. As much as I have said I felt like I was “flying” etc. and how Schwarz and others have said the same, it’s important to note that at any given time during said “flying”, one has the ability to stop, sit down, and relax your thoughts if you so choose. Which I thought was worth noting as that is a rather unique ability to retain during the effects.
EDIT: Yet one other thing I forgot to mention on a lighter note. I felt very much like I used to when I was a lot younger and more naive about life in general. Back then I hadn’t gone through any personal loss and was an animal hanging out in Cabo etc…anyway, I had the energy of youth, I was always joking around with the boys, and was quite a character.
Just always “up” and a fun guy to be around. Well that’s how I have been feeling since I started the Moda. It’s hard to explain, but it’s tangible and it’s real. Not that I’m not a “cool dude” now, but you know what I mean. More outgoing, like Schwarz said, confident etc.
Had to put that in there before I let it slip away into distractions.
ToneBone
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
The truth is I talk like that sometimes, just did it over on the off topic thread a while ago about Stu's dog dying. That's proof that it's not so much from the nootropics, though yes I'm sure the Moda added something, but I think the nature of the call had more to do with the rant. I guess the topic is what had you assuming I'm sitting over here "tripping out". LOL.
Fact is I didn't plan on making the call, but it happened and I put out some personal shit about it. The analogy on heaven and so forth was something I had mentioned to Stu, and just rehashed it a bit here. So, again, not saying the moda didn't have a play in that, but certainly not to the level you inferred Brant.
Of course that's just my opinion right?
Woah, sorry Tone! I had no intention of it being interpreted as a belittling comment (I had no thought that it could even be possibly viewed as that actually.)
I’ve noticed when I start thinking thoughts like you wrote about ambition, drive, accomplishment, independence, ect, is when I’m at my sharpest mentally and most productive. I wrongly assumed that my thought process was similar to yours, which is insulting to you. I wasn’t commenting on your personal problems, only speaking to what you said in the last few paragraphs (which I thought would be indicated by the fact that I only quoted part of your post, again me making assumptions about how you would see it.)
As far as relating to nootropics, I think we can both agree that they do not make you smarter than you really are, or more creative, or more perceptive, if you don’t have that capacity on your own. In a sense, I was trying to be complimentary, in a round about way, because what you wrote came from you.
I’m not doing a good job of explaining myself, so bottom line is I’m sorry for what I said, and in no way meant it to be dismissive, insulting, or demeaning. [/quote]
That's ok big guy, you've articulated yourself quite a bit better and that helps a lot bro. I just wanted to make sure other people didn't read something into that that might not have been intended from either you or I. I didn't think that was your intention but wasn't quite sure, and it was a bit tough there for a while, so I assumed it could have been a jab at me. I apologize back to you bro.
No worries here, as I know you're a good guy, we just had a miscommunication at a rough little patch of time there for me. I probably shouldn't post my opinions of these things here, but I like to give people an insight into the real TBN sometimes as a gesture of trust I guess.
Again, we're all clear, about to hit the weights now and will be back after for a touch on that.
:)
Bushy, Wikipedia says sulbutiamine should be dosed at 12.5 mg/kg, and the manufacturer says not to exceed 600mg daily. Perhaps you should up the dose? Being about 90-95kg, shouldn’t you be taking about 1150mg? I’m sure that’s excessive, and maybe I missed something earlier in the thread saying you’re starting low, but try a bigger dose maybe?
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
It just seems to go with the difference in speed that one is operating on, it’s like you don’t have the patience to tolerate “normal” people, who are running on regular leaded, when you’re flying on leaded supreme?!![/quote]
Spectacular explanation. Though, “normal” people can’t keep up with me anyway, so Moda makes it even worse. As far as the Brant Drake thing, Moda will certainly push you towards voicing your opinion more readily. I’ve seen some shy people turn into argumentative, very outspoken people. It’s not that they’re being mean, they just feel very strongly about making their viewpoint known.
Moda also leads to “overconfidence” as stated in many research papers, which this outspokenness could be a product of. You definitely have to keep an eye on yourself and interacting with “normal” people so you don’t piss off the wrong people, like friends and family.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
It just seems to go with the difference in speed that one is operating on, it’s like you don’t have the patience to tolerate “normal” people, who are running on regular leaded, when you’re flying on leaded supreme?!!
Spectacular explanation. Though, “normal” people can’t keep up with me anyway, so Moda makes it even worse. As far as the Brant Drake thing, Moda will certainly push you towards voicing your opinion more readily. I’ve seen some shy people turn into argumentative, very outspoken people. It’s not that they’re being mean, they just feel very strongly about making their viewpoint known.
Moda also leads to “overconfidence” as stated in many research papers, which this outspokenness could be a product of. You definitely have to keep an eye on yourself and interacting with “normal” people so you don’t piss off the wrong people, like friends and family.[/quote]
No I hear you, point taken. I feel great right now, very mellow, and alert still. Got to say the workout was much more enjoyable as the heart rate wasn't in overdrive like it tends to get especially if I chomp down a 200mg caffeine before hand.
As far as Brant, I probably over reacted, that's true, but again, I have my doubts that it was all from the moda, I think the situation was just a touchy subject in general, it was a hard thing for me to do, as I wasn't expecting to have to make that call right then. And I DO sometimes go off on a tangent like that when I feel like putting my self out there, whether or not I'm on moda or anything else.
Again, I have a great respect and generally really like the people on this thread and that leads to me talking about stuff I shouldn’t always talk about, for the sake of the thread if nothing else. But on the other hand, it allows friends to see what I really think about things when the gears are turning, and that doesn’t bother me. Anyway, I gotta study, that’s what this is all about.
cheers bud,
TBN
So here it is 5:00pm and I was trying to study again and found myself very tired. Good time to attempt a second smaller dose. Up to 400mg is doable according to wilkpedia and some other articles I have read, so I have just taken another 100mg of Moda, 20mg Vinpo, and 900mg Oxiracetam. The thing about moda is you can sleep on it, so I figure the 100mg will put me at 300mg for the day total, and I should still be able to sleep later on tonight at around 11:00pm give or take an hour.
This should be ok, and will put it to the test for sleep deprivation. I have been going since 5:30am, studied, did the workout, and have been taking care of a 2.5 year old all day. I should be dead tired right now, and was feeling close to that. I NEED to study this shit though, and this will show us how effective it is when you're already tired.
So, I'll make dinner here for the kid and I, and then see how it goes. I just recieved a study guide for this exam on Tuesday, and I am going to go through every item on it, and write down all info pertaining to each, which I'll then use as a study/flash card type thing for memory retention of it.
Hope this adds some helpful and interesting info for everyone. Now I do feel some slight energy returning just from getting up from trying to read, but the real test will be once I sit down and start reading/writing again. So, dinner, and within the hour with any luck I'll be a fact absorbing machine again.
Later guys,
ToneBone
First off,
This thread has been the most insightful read i have come across in a very long time. THANKS to all who have contributed and shared there experiences - truly appreciated!
Now,
Im about to embark on university life yet again - 28yrs old going back to Study Exercise Physiology (originally grad with BCommmerce)
Anyway, i have ordered the vinpocetine as it seems to remain a staple according to those in the know around here. I Have also ordered the Aniracetam, however i have noticed that there seems to be a move towards the pharmaceuticals like Moda etc amongst the contributors to this thread.(I believe it is very difficult to get in Australia)
Not one to feel like im missing out on the real deal, i need to know if the basic stack that i have ordered is sufficient or should i really try and get the moda? I was also very interested in trying the Centrophenoxine
what are your thoughts on this any info would be much appreciated!
[quote]oscarlinho wrote:
First off,
This thread has been the most insightful read i have come across in a very long time. THANKS to all who have contributed and shared there experiences - truly appreciated!
Now,
Im about to embark on university life yet again - 28yrs old going back to Study Exercise Physiology (originally grad with BCommmerce)
Anyway, i have ordered the vinpocetine as it seems to remain a staple according to those in the know around here. I Have also ordered the Aniracetam, however i have noticed that there seems to be a move towards the pharmaceuticals like Moda etc amongst the contributors to this thread.(I believe it is very difficult to get in Australia)
Not one to feel like im missing out on the real deal, i need to know if the basic stack that i have ordered is sufficient or should i really try and get the moda? I was also very interested in trying the Centrophenoxine
what are your thoughts on this any info would be much appreciated! [/quote]
Hey thanks from everyone! Myself, I've done very well with just the Vinpo, oxiracetam, Choline, and creatine in the mix. The oxi I'm not sold on, and as Bushy said it appears to have stim like sides, but it did seem to help synergistically to some degree with the others.
Definitely don't underestimate the easier to be had stuff. It is easy to get and does the job well, ESPECIALLY the Vinpocetine.
good luck, hope to see you around.
ToneBone
So, an hour in again, and I feel great. Not tired at all, and not WIRED at all either.LOL.
Just wide awake with a very mellow but focused feeling. Energized as hell, yet calm as an ocean breeze.
I know that sounds off, but trust me.
TBN
Cheers Tbone,
Im always lurking around.
Thanks again.
Oh have you tried the aniracetam or just the oxiracetam?
This question is for anybody who has tried both. Please explain your experiences. which did you prefer?
[quote]oscarlinho wrote:
Cheers Tbone,
Im always lurking around.
Thanks again.
Oh have you tried the aniracetam or just the oxiracetam?
This question is for anybody who has tried both. Please explain your experiences. which did you prefer?
[/quote]
No sorry I've only used the oxi, I found it to be as bushy said it was for him. That is, slightly a bit of a tip towards the sympathetic response as far as slightly accelerated heartrate with it. Not much, but the others don't do that. I think bushy was getting tired red eyes or something from it, I'd have to look back and check.
Bushy will get back to you tomorrow, he's giving the anirace a go right now I believe along with the other items, and he'll be better able to explain things.
TBN
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Ok, had something very difficult to take care of there on an emotional level. Glad it's over. Someone very close to me is about to die, and I had to say my goodbyes basicly. That's all I can say about it. Unfortunately the scenario was the same disease that my mom had and that situation was undescribably painful for me, and so all those memories came flooding back along with the sadness of the person dying I know as well.
Christ how I hate that shit. Feel much relieved though, and all is well here. So, I’m going to write up my new push/pull routine on Word, and get ready to have a good and first ever Moda influenced workout. That will make for some different criteria to flow through here for a bit besides STUDYING!!! LOL.
You know, just a note here, but things like that make me content with some of the decisions I've made in my life when it comes to trying things, whether it's AAS, or Nootropics or whatever. I think we all know our time here is short, and IMO there's no magical little place to "hang out" with each other when the rides over, so it's healthy to do things that most people might think is crazy as it goes against the "norm". Get fuckin real.
You come from the earth, and that’s where you go back. The real “heaven” is having the ability to have consciousness and perception on the level humans do during your one and only life, and to be able to go places and experience all the beautiful things out there. Pain, sadness, anger, happiness. It’s a privelage to be able to go through all of it and make your own decisions and assumptions whether you’re right or not.
As long as you don’t hurt yourself or other people, or creatures sharing the earth, fuck it, go out and have some fun for christ’s sake.
ToneBone
[/quote]
I dont usually get involved in very philosophical conversations but, apart from the fact that I believe there is (or at least, I hope there is) an afterlife, that happens to be almost exactly the outlook I have on life.
As far as I’m concerned, you only get one shot at life. So make the most of it. Go ahead, experiment, take whatever the f*ck you want and enjoy yourself in the process. Theres nothing more sad than someone who goes through life in total ignorance, too scared to experience anything outside the norm…and then condemns others for having the courage to do so.
I’ve had people criticize me for my drug use (AAS, nootropics, rec drugs occasionally)…but hey, I’m happy with my choices. I experienced what I wanted to experience and I dont regret a single minute of it…so f*ck what anyone else thinks. I had my fun, no-one else (or me) got hurt, so thats all that matters. At least when I die, I can say I lived a funner and more experience filled life than most.
life is short so Carpe Diem and have fun…
Thanks bushy,
Look forward to your review of the aniracetam!
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Ok, had something very difficult to take care of there on an emotional level. Glad it's over. Someone very close to me is about to die, and I had to say my goodbyes basicly. That's all I can say about it. Unfortunately the scenario was the same disease that my mom had and that situation was undescribably painful for me, and so all those memories came flooding back along with the sadness of the person dying I know as well.
Christ how I hate that shit. Feel much relieved though, and all is well here. So, I’m going to write up my new push/pull routine on Word, and get ready to have a good and first ever Moda influenced workout. That will make for some different criteria to flow through here for a bit besides STUDYING!!! LOL.
You know, just a note here, but things like that make me content with some of the decisions I've made in my life when it comes to trying things, whether it's AAS, or Nootropics or whatever. I think we all know our time here is short, and IMO there's no magical little place to "hang out" with each other when the rides over, so it's healthy to do things that most people might think is crazy as it goes against the "norm". Get fuckin real.
You come from the earth, and that’s where you go back. The real “heaven” is having the ability to have consciousness and perception on the level humans do during your one and only life, and to be able to go places and experience all the beautiful things out there. Pain, sadness, anger, happiness. It’s a privelage to be able to go through all of it and make your own decisions and assumptions whether you’re right or not.
As long as you don’t hurt yourself or other people, or creatures sharing the earth, fuck it, go out and have some fun for christ’s sake.
ToneBone
I dont usually get involved in very philosophical conversations but, apart from the fact that I believe there is (or at least, I hope there is) an afterlife, that happens to be almost exactly the outlook I have on life.
As far as I’m concerned, you only get one shot at life. So make the most of it. Go ahead, experiment, take whatever the f*ck you want and enjoy yourself in the process. Theres nothing more sad than someone who goes through life in total ignorance, too scared to experience anything outside the norm…and then condemns others for having the courage to do so.
I’ve had people criticize me for my drug use (AAS, nootropics, rec drugs occasionally)…but hey, I’m happy with my choices. I experienced what I wanted to experience and I dont regret a single minute of it…so f*ck what anyone else thinks. I had my fun, no-one else (or me) got hurt, so thats all that matters. At least when I die, I can say I lived a funner and more experience filled life than most.
life is short so Carpe Diem and have fun…[/quote]
Thanks for sharing that.
TBN
Ok, good morning gang. I went at it till around 11:00pm, then said f it, and relaxed for another hour watching the ultimate fighter series, and went to bed. I was able to sit and type a good deal without feeling any negatives for a good while prior to this. And once I went to bed, there was no problem falling asleep.
Slept good, thought about things for a while before dozing off. No problem shutting things down though. Very impressive.
So, today I have just taken 300mg for the day. And the usual choline, 10mg Vinpo, creatine, multi, fish oil, etc. Am leaving oxi out of the dose today. Don't have much of that left, and frankly kind of glad. It doesn't seem to help in any beneficial way besides a very slight stim effect, which I don't need.
see ya later,
ToneBone