@Nuro
what is your prami + dmae at?
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I also like prami, but wish I had more fatty meals to take it with, ha.
BBB[/quote]
Generally, I take my ani with about 4-5 fish oil caps, and whatever fat is present in my protein. Is this inadequate?[/quote]
x2 for some reason i want to say some one recommended 9g fats but cant find where
I believe it was 8g MAF
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I believe it was 8g MAF[/quote]
Is this applicable to all lipophilic noops? Currently I’m only using water soluble stuff but I’m considering prami.
Also is it wise to take lipophilic and hydrophilic products separately? ie pira first thing on an empty stomach then prami an hour later with fat?
[quote]roon12 wrote:
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]roon12 wrote:
Prami is seems very interesting, how long have you been taking it? I’m also doing very numerical/logical classes (largely pure mathematics) so this sounds useful. Have you found it helpful with ‘concept learning’ and application?
Currently I use Piracetam/Choline Bitartrate/ALCAR daily as Ani doesn’t seem to agree with me.
However, due to upcoming exam periods I am interested in improving focus for study sessions. Does anyone have experience with any substances for occasional use in this area? Ideal usage would be maybe 1-2 times a week over the next few months.
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I like pramiracetam the best now. I feel more stable- less emotional. If I can’t remember an answer then I can logic it out (very helpful with physics). My memory is still improving though.
For focus I really like oxi. Oxi has a great 1 time hit kinda deal, but be prepared to nap 2 hrs after taking it. Otherwise the active ingredients in Biotest Spike will do the trick. I also like pyritinol but that lost its effectiveness really quick.
If I am taking Pram i have to be really careful about the stimulants I was using. I seem to be very sensitive to caffeine while on it. Pram + DMAE seems to be doing it for me. After the pram wears off ill do oxi and ALCAR and some caffeine. [/quote]
Thanks, I was considering oxi so this is useful. My only reservation with it is that it seems to be used best for rote learning of data. However prami sounds almost perfect! Possibly a combination of the two might help as I understand Prami potentiates other racetams.
I haven’t heard of pyritinol but I’ll look it up, when you say loses effectiveness do you mean it ‘wears off’ quickly or the per dose effect diminishes over time?
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Pyritinol will lose effectiveness in the sense that after 2 days at 200mg it will take 400mg to get 1/2 the effect originally obtained.
Oxi is great for great memorization. I’ll oxi before I read any journal articles. I recall being able to remember the exact number of participants and type of ethics in a psychological test used which was very insignificant for the paper. (431 particpants, Helsinki declaration)
If I try to use oxi with physics I just end up remember each problem I work but without understanding the concepts.
I actually just took a physics quiz. Popped 300mg pram 30mintues before then had only 20 minutes to read a chapter on rotational momentum and kinematics. Easy 100%. I don’t even second guess myself cause the pram allows me to think about it conceptually.
Pram 300mg (12pm)
340mg DMAE (12pm)
AlCAR- 500mg (8am)
For my nightly study session its either Pram at 300mg again with the DMAE or oxi at 400mg with ALCAR. Again, pram is so strong for me I can’t combine it with any other racetams at the moment. When I drank starbucks and took 300mg pram I was sweating and cognitively stuck like too wired/ paranoid.
Nu Rho Psi
Was on HPS - found the sister site after some looking.
Oxi seems to be oos no timeline when it’s coming back …
Start with neurostim then !
[quote]L-Dee wrote:
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]roon12 wrote:
Prami is seems very interesting, how long have you been taking it? I’m also doing very numerical/logical classes (largely pure mathematics) so this sounds useful. Have you found it helpful with ‘concept learning’ and application?
Currently I use Piracetam/Choline Bitartrate/ALCAR daily as Ani doesn’t seem to agree with me.
However, due to upcoming exam periods I am interested in improving focus for study sessions. Does anyone have experience with any substances for occasional use in this area? Ideal usage would be maybe 1-2 times a week over the next few months.
[/quote]
I like pramiracetam the best now. I feel more stable- less emotional. If I can’t remember an answer then I can logic it out (very helpful with physics). My memory is still improving though.
For focus I really like oxi. Oxi has a great 1 time hit kinda deal, but be prepared to nap 2 hrs after taking it. Otherwise the active ingredients in Biotest Spike will do the trick. I also like pyritinol but that lost its effectiveness really quick.
If I am taking Pram i have to be really careful about the stimulants I was using. I seem to be very sensitive to caffeine while on it. Pram + DMAE seems to be doing it for me. After the pram wears off ill do oxi and ALCAR and some caffeine. [/quote]
Very interesting what you said about ani, pram and emotions. Would you say the effects are/were subtle or fairly noticeable? Also, with being less emotional, do you mean that you less ‘negative’ emotions only, or are you still able to have ‘positive’ emotions in a similar way?
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So, to clarify I used aniracetam and some type of choline (alpha gpc or citicholine) from June until mid December. I was taking up to 750mg ani 3x per day. After my finals I took a 1 week break from all nootropics. Upon starting back up again things have felt different. I became a lot more sensitive to the ani, same batch too. Taking too much will leave me hypomanic for 2 days. Even more recently though I’ve noticed ani intensifies everything. Logic,memory, emotions, vision, hearing. It’s too much of an overload for me. I love what it does for me cognitively, but 30min after I take it I just want to cry. When something doesn’t go the way I want its like BAM! emotions out the ass - go cry in corner. I’m not a very emotional person (INTJ) so despite the increase in cognitive functions I’ll perform worse on ani because I have no experience/ability to deal with emotions. Strange though how the effect of the ani change…well that neuroplasticity for ya. I seriously do believe that these drugs repair damage. Even in stopping ani my normal state with no noots has seen increased cognitive functioning.
Nu Rho Psi
@ NuRhoPsi
Thanks, I appreciate the response and sorry to keep bugging you! Do you find prami has cumulative effects or is it better used on an as-needed basis?
@ Voluminous
If you are particulary looking for Oxi I believe Intellimeds is reasonably priced.
[quote]roon12 wrote:
@ NuRhoPsi
Thanks, I appreciate the response and sorry to keep bugging you! Do you find prami has cumulative effects or is it better used on an as-needed basis?
@ Voluminous
If you are particulary looking for Oxi I believe Intellimeds is reasonably priced.[/quote]
Its not bother I love talking about nootropics. I find Pram to not have any effect on my emotions.If you are an emotional person I guess it can blunt your emotions but i operate close to this anyway. I can take it everyday 2x a day or just when I need to do physics/ critical thinking. Taking it everyday leads to a more logical approach to life though. I dissect everything and break it down into logical steps/ arguments. Good things there’s no women in my life right now or they’d go crazy. Bitches…
My leftover Piracetam combined with DMAE has been great lately. I stopped taking DMAE in the past because of aggression, but it seems to be working much better this time.
I’m going to order some Pramiracetam and find out how I respond to it with the DMAE.
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]L-Dee wrote:
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]roon12 wrote:
Prami is seems very interesting, how long have you been taking it? I’m also doing very numerical/logical classes (largely pure mathematics) so this sounds useful. Have you found it helpful with ‘concept learning’ and application?
Currently I use Piracetam/Choline Bitartrate/ALCAR daily as Ani doesn’t seem to agree with me.
However, due to upcoming exam periods I am interested in improving focus for study sessions. Does anyone have experience with any substances for occasional use in this area? Ideal usage would be maybe 1-2 times a week over the next few months.
[/quote]
I like pramiracetam the best now. I feel more stable- less emotional. If I can’t remember an answer then I can logic it out (very helpful with physics). My memory is still improving though.
For focus I really like oxi. Oxi has a great 1 time hit kinda deal, but be prepared to nap 2 hrs after taking it. Otherwise the active ingredients in Biotest Spike will do the trick. I also like pyritinol but that lost its effectiveness really quick.
If I am taking Pram i have to be really careful about the stimulants I was using. I seem to be very sensitive to caffeine while on it. Pram + DMAE seems to be doing it for me. After the pram wears off ill do oxi and ALCAR and some caffeine. [/quote]
Very interesting what you said about ani, pram and emotions. Would you say the effects are/were subtle or fairly noticeable? Also, with being less emotional, do you mean that you less ‘negative’ emotions only, or are you still able to have ‘positive’ emotions in a similar way?
[/quote]
So, to clarify I used aniracetam and some type of choline (alpha gpc or citicholine) from June until mid December. I was taking up to 750mg ani 3x per day. After my finals I took a 1 week break from all nootropics. Upon starting back up again things have felt different. I became a lot more sensitive to the ani, same batch too. Taking too much will leave me hypomanic for 2 days. Even more recently though I’ve noticed ani intensifies everything. Logic,memory, emotions, vision, hearing. It’s too much of an overload for me. I love what it does for me cognitively, but 30min after I take it I just want to cry. When something doesn’t go the way I want its like BAM! emotions out the ass - go cry in corner. I’m not a very emotional person (INTJ) so despite the increase in cognitive functions I’ll perform worse on ani because I have no experience/ability to deal with emotions. Strange though how the effect of the ani change…well that neuroplasticity for ya. I seriously do believe that these drugs repair damage. Even in stopping ani my normal state with no noots has seen increased cognitive functioning.
Nu Rho Psi
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Thanks. Last spring/summer I felt like DMAE made me more irritated than usual. And I get irritated quite easily anyway.
Obviously your reaction was a strong not a subtle one. Good thing you found something else that works.
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]roon12 wrote:
@ NuRhoPsi
Thanks, I appreciate the response and sorry to keep bugging you! Do you find prami has cumulative effects or is it better used on an as-needed basis?
@ Voluminous
If you are particulary looking for Oxi I believe Intellimeds is reasonably priced.[/quote]
Its not bother I love talking about nootropics. I find Pram to not have any effect on my emotions.If you are an emotional person I guess it can blunt your emotions but i operate close to this anyway. I can take it everyday 2x a day or just when I need to do physics/ critical thinking. Taking it everyday leads to a more logical approach to life though. I dissect everything and break it down into logical steps/ arguments. Good things there’s no women in my life right now or they’d go crazy. Bitches…
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LOL I was about to comment on logical thinking and women. Now imagine if you were on ani, prami, and women= constant irritated, logical headaches.
On another note, I hope pram doesn’t make me overly critical or logical. I sometimes tend to overthink and be extra critical to the point of frustration…
Since prami is derived from pira (?), would they provide similar effects, given you adjust the doses accordingly?
[quote]335i wrote:
My leftover Piracetam combined with DMAE has been great lately. I stopped taking DMAE in the past because of aggression, but it seems to be working much better this time.
I’m going to order some Pramiracetam and find out how I respond to it with the DMAE.[/quote]
Let us know how it goes. frustration/aggression is also what I experienced when only taking DMAE.
Hey guys, Im glad to see this thread is still going strong.
Im out of aniracetam and want to make a new order soon. I used the recommended ani vinpo dmea stack with good results so far.
I think I will go with neurostim because of the easy way to dose and am thinking of trying some new noots.
What would you recommend? My main focus is improving my memory for now.
The ani stack seemed to have reduced my brainfog a lot, so I will stick to it but would like increased memory.
Fwiw Im especially looking for a increase in short term memory/increased recall.
I also have some oxiracetam and have tried it but it just seems different compared to ani, Im still not sure what to think of it and also have some prami lying around, I was excited to try it at first, but it seems buying it in bulk was a huge mistake. The taste is awful and therefore I havent used it a lot. But now that I am out of ani I will try it for a few days just to see if and how it works.
What is your opinion on these noots:
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picamilon
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bacopa
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ashwagandha
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noopept
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methylene blue (huge thread on longecity forums)
Thx,
Jimmy
After taking Piracteam three times a day on a dose of around 3-4g per serving I noticed a lot more concentration and awareness. More interestingly I have noticed that I used to need around 8 hours sleep however now I’m getting up and awake after only 5-6 hours sleep most days.
Anybody else had similar effects? Also will pramiracetam give off the same effects as piracetam as it’s derived from it?
Many thanks,
LukeN90
Just bought some Picamilon.
The kind guy @ MN is sending me 6-10 capsules of Oxi while awaiting the new stock.
Very nice people.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]L-Dee wrote:
Since prami is derived from pira (?), would they provide similar effects, given you adjust the doses accordingly?[/quote]
Since piracetam is derived from piritynol (B6), would they have similar effect?
Just trying to get you to the answer, but without actually telling you the answer 
BBB[/quote]
Ha, good point! I guess the answer is no, that’s a horse of a different color:)
ok guys i kind of have a predicament aka i’m screwed. would appreciate some input…
the deal is i have an upper level class where my prof just told us our tests are going to be short answer and definition based BUT if our answers deviate from his exact words in the slightest we get 0%. tests are only 10 questions so complete accuracy is crucial!
i have been taking neurostim for the last month and will continue but was wondering what you guys would recommend to take before this lecture (75 mins 2x per week) where 90% of the course material will come from
from recent posts i was thinking:
300mg prami
300mg DMAE
10mg Vinpo