Brain Function Boosters 2.0

[quote]ritch1 wrote:
Im aware of the cognitive increasing capabilities of aniracetam and oxiracetam but what about their effects on mood? I often feel depressed and lack motivation. I use 5htp off and on, gaba and st johns wort. Pretty much every day I will make a drink with 3 grams of l-tyrosine, 300-600mg of DMAE and recently added 3 grams of piracetam. I drink this on average twice a day. Cant say the piracetam is working. But its known as being weak, so I`m not surprised.

I also take b-vitmins, inject b-12 once a week and consume 1200mg of dha per day, use the equivalent of ZMA at night and take 3 grams of vit c a day and take 400ius of vit E per day. I tried rhodiola rosea as well and dont think I`d buy it again. But l-tyrosine with DMAE to me is the bomb. Was hoping aniracetam would help me. The oxi I know is more for studying but maybe a low dose with some ani would put me in more focused/procuctive state. What do you guys think?[/quote]

I recently tried a 50:50 mixture of oxi and ani for studying and it worked quite well…mood seemed to be good. I will try it again soon. On another note, I took a week off from the vinpo and regained sensitivity to it.

I forgot to mention I use vinpocetine (10mg) and like many others have noticed, I find I get better results by taking time off from it. On most days, I just take it with my pre workout meal.

[quote]ritch1 wrote:
I forgot to mention I use vinpocetine (10mg) and like many others have noticed, I find I get better results by taking time off from it. On most days, I just take it with my pre workout meal.[/quote]

I don’t exactly want to be advising you to seek out prescription drugs, but do so research on Deprenyl for the depression/lack of motivation.

I’m not advising you to just take it right away but rather to give it a long hard look and see if you feel it’s right for you.

I’ve been doing some research on it lately and may be giving it a whirl soon, but as of now I can’t advise you from any personal experience.

[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
ritch1 wrote:
I forgot to mention I use vinpocetine (10mg) and like many others have noticed, I find I get better results by taking time off from it. On most days, I just take it with my pre workout meal.

I don’t exactly want to be advising you to seek out prescription drugs, but do so research on Deprenyl for the depression/lack of motivation.

I’m not advising you to just take it right away but rather to give it a long hard look and see if you feel it’s right for you.

I’ve been doing some research on it lately and may be giving it a whirl soon, but as of now I can’t advise you from any personal experience. [/quote]

I`ve just googled deprenyl and am reading on it now. Sounds interesting, thanks for your reply here!

Modulation of Glucocorticoid Action by Vitamin D on Aging Hippocampal Cells

Glucocorticoids, such as the stress hormone cortisol, can cause deterioration of cells in the hippocampus and decline in cognition with aging in otherwise healthy people.1,2 Hence, one of the things we have long been interested in is modulation of glucocorticoid actions to ameliorate or prevent these deleterious effects. A new paper shows that vitamin D reduced the neurite outgrowth-inhibiting and hippocampal cell apoptosis-inducing effects of dexamethasone (a synthetic corticosteroid) in cell culture.3

Vitamin D-synthesizing machinery has been found in kidney, hypothalamus, cerebellum, substantia nigra (degeneration in this brain area causes Parkinsons disease), retinal neurons, and, of course, skin.3 The vitamin D receptor (VDR) has also been identified in both neuronal and glial cells of the limbic system, as well as the choroid plexus and other brain regions. The authors mention that a recent study showed that oral intake of 4000 IU per day of vitamin D greatly improved the sense of well-being and eased depression in a large group of patients, supporting previous studies which suggested that raising vitamin D blood levels may be useful as an alternative and/or supplementation in treating various affective disorders. Moreover, Vitamin D was demonstrated to be a modulator of key molecular events in the brain related to growth factor signaling, cellular proliferation, and differentiation.

The authors used the progenitor cell line HIB5, derived from embryonic rat hippocampus (day 16). The cells were treated with either the glucocorticoid dexamethasone (Dex) or vitamin D or a combination of the two, followed by the addition of the differentiation inducer PDGF (platelet-derived growth factor). “The majority of cells in the control cultures extended neurites of various lengths; the same was observed in cells pretreated with vitamin D alone, whereas treatment with Dex inhibited morphological changes of HIB5 cells and allowed further proliferation. â?¦ In contrast, administration of 100-nM vitamin D in addition to Dex prevented, to a significant degree, the inhibitory effects of Dex [on neurite outgrowth] â?¦”

Vitamin D Opposed Inhibition of Glucocorticoids

The authors summarize that, while vitamin D alone produced only a marginal and statistically insignificant increase in neurite outgrowth compared to controls, “when differentiating HIB5 cells were supplemented with vitamin D in addition to Dex, the number of cells that sprouted neurites twice as long as the diameter of their cell body increased 2.5-fold compared with Dex alone (13.5 plus or minus 2.04% vs. 5.38 plus or minus 0.72% in the Dex group), further indicating that application of vitamin D does not on its own significantly impact on neurite outgrowth, but can act against the inhibition of glucocorticoids in the HIB5 model of hippocampal cell differentiation.”

Vitamin D Reduced Dex-Induced Cell Death

In another experiment, the researchers pretreated the hippocampal cells (as above) with vitamin D (10-8 and 10-9 M, concentrations they report are close to physiological levels) for 24 hours before adding Dex. Vitamin D alone had a small and insignificant effect on cellular viability, but in the hippocampal cultures also exposed to Dex following vitamin D treatment, apoptosis was markedly reduced compared to cultures exposed to Dex and receiving no vitamin D.

Since neurite outgrowth is a major mechanism whereby mature neurons increase their connectedness in enlarging networks importantly related to cognitive abilities, these studies suggest that vitamin D may protect brain cells, at least in part, from the deleterious age- and stress-related effects of glucocorticoids.

Perhaps the emotionally uplifting effects of a good vacation are due, at least in part, to the reduction in stress-induced release of hippocampus-damaging amounts of cortisol and the likelihood of greater solar exposure, with its increased daily production of several thousand IU of protective vitamin D. Tanning-bed use may produce a feeling of well-being for the same reason. Vitamin D supplementation is much safer than UVB exposure!

Vitamin D Dose

We note that the dose of vitamin D currently recommended by the bureaucrats at the Food and Nutrition Board (400 IU/day) is thought by ourselves and many others to be far too low. According to one recent study,4 “Healthy men seem to use 3000-5000 IU cholecalciferol/d, apparently meeting >80% of their winter cholecalciferol need with cutaneously synthesized accumulations from solar sources during the preceding summer months. Current recommended vitamin D inputs are inadequate to maintain serum 25-hydroxycholecalciferol concentration in the absence of substantial cutaneous production of vitamin D.”

The authors also note that “Evidence available to the FNB [Food and Nutrition Board] with regard to vitamin D toxicity at inputs of the magnitude employed in this study was scant in the extreme. Nevertheless, on the basis of sporadic reports (of uncertain quality) of hypercalcemia and hypercalciuria, the panel settled on a conservative tolerable upper level of 2000 IU/d for vitamin D, recognizing that many persons, especially those who work outdoors in the summer, almost certainly had higher inputs without apparent adverse effect. â?¦ As already noted, the data presented here indicate an average daily need perhaps twice that amount. Note that, in our study, 20 wk of supplementation at 5500 and 11,000 IU/d, starting from a status of relative vitamin D repletion, produced no elevation of serum calcium above the upper limits of normal in any subject.” (This may not be true for everybody; this was a small study of 67 healthy men; hence, the effects of large doses of vitamin D on serum calcium levels in those with diseases, such as those that affect vitamin D metabolism, cannot be predicted from these data.) Do not take a vitamin D supplement if you have parathyroid disease (not the same as thyroid disease), tuberculosis (because of possible immune system overreaction), sarcoidosis, lymphoma, excessive blood calcium levels, or are pregnant, without the advice of a physician.

References

  1. Behl. Effects of glucocorticoids on oxidative stress-induced hippocampal cell death: implications for the pathogenesis of Alzheimer’s disease. Exp Gerontol 33(7/8):689-96 (1998).
  2. Sapolsky. Glucocorticoids, stress, and their adverse neurological effects: relevance to aging. Exp Gerontol 34:721-32 (1999).
  3. Obradovic et al. Cross-talk of vitamin D and glucocorticoids in hippocampal cells. J Neurochem 96:500-9 (2006).
  4. Heaney et al. Human serum 25-hydroxycholecalciferol response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol. Am J Clin Nutr 77:204-10 (2003).

I heard even Vitamin D can even beat up Chuck Norris.

Seriously, is there nothing it can’t do?

It can’t be vitamin C. Or B-6. Or B-12. Or you. Because you suck, and vitamin D doesn’t suck… so it can’t be you.

Sorry you set yourself up for that one.

I just wanted to say I get better results from vinpocetine when taking it on a non-daily basis. I think it works best using it just once or twice a week at most.

I just wanted to stop in say hi and give a little report of my own. After reading the whole origional thread and this one over the last week and a quick PM to BBB, I have started the following to get me started.

Vinpo 10MG x3, DMAE 130 X3, D3 4000iu X1, L-Tyrosine 200MG x1, A new liquid Gel multi plus from Irwin Naturals Mens super green. Has a lot of good shit in it, do a search if you are interested. And my ZMA before bed.

Well in 2.5 days the combination of this along with listening to groove salad (radio station) during work has kicked me into overdrive. I feel like a machine, just doing task after task after task. This is the type of work I can generally not tolerate to well. I am a problem solver and a home run hitter, I do not do well on the mundane every day tasks. Now I just plow through them which feels good because it is looking like I will be freed up to do more projects which in turn can put more money directly into my pockets. I am interested in some of the racetams, but at this point I’m not sure if I would even need them. Anywho, I’m still going to try them, as if this small stack is this good, I can’t wait to join the ranks of brain ninja’s in this thread.

Couple other notes of interest. I have a nice collection of hemi-sync and holo-sync discs. I have used them in the past for spiritual awakening, but I might go back on them to see if I can gain even more from them while I’m juicing up my brain. I only had so-so results with them before but this may make a difference, I will do a follow up report but it will likley take me a good month to fully evaluate the experience.

Ok so I guess it was only one other note of interest. I feel like there is another but it’s not coming to me know,must not be that important, Probably myself telling me to get back to work! LOL

Peace!

V

Two quick corrections. The Irwins Naturals Multi Plus is called Living Green, and My L-Tyrosene is 750 MG not 200.

Lates,

V

Another expirament I will be doing: I have a dart league match tonight. I will be taking a Spike Shooter along with the Vinpo and DMAE (and my third multi). I will let everyone know how it goes. Luckily we are playing one of the weakest teams, so if I overdo it and lose control of my fine motor skills, it’s shouldn’t be too big a problem. I am really hoping to get so far in the zone that I wonder how I was ever NOT in it. Thats what I am shooting for.

Lates,

V

Amendment - Ok so here is why I am really excited to see how I play darts on this regimen. Darts is a game of skill sure, but once you have a basic command of your stroke, that is getting the dart to the board, 99.99% of it is mental focus after that. I can get up to the board on a practice night with amazing focus and put 3 darts in the double bull, 3 darts in the triple 20, basically when my focus is 100% and I’m in the zone, that throw I can be perfect.

Sometimes it lasts for a few rounds then fades a little. Sometimes you are only at 80 or 90% focus and you are throwing one out of 7 or 10 darts away. Other times you have such little ability to focus that you are throwing one out of 7 or 10 Into your target. Your physical abilities don’t change day to day, or even game to game. Yet for instance last week, I averaged 4.8 marks per round in one game of cricket (very good) and came back the next game, no break or anytyhing and averaged a 1.9 (horrible).

This should be a very good measuring stick for my brain boosting stacks now and in the future. It’s not as subjective as how I feel, or if it seems like I am having a good day at work. I mean I should actually be able to get a physical number and match it against a physical number from before the boost. For a reference. My average in my main leage is 2.56 Marks per round.

Over the next 4 weeks I’ll keep my new MPR and compare to see if there is a significant difference. Also we are 7 weeks in so there is a good base of games played for my previous average. I play in 8 games per match, so thats 56 individual games played.

Ok Lates for now.

V

Further evidence based verification. I just ran a report on my daily activity here at work. (tracks our tasks) Last week total I did 25 tasks, today I am up to 38 and I still have an hour to go. Good stuff.

V

Hey another cool and interesting little thing I discovered today. Vinpo is an extract from Vinca Minor, a common groundcover plant also known by the common name Periwinkle. I have huge patches of this stuff under my trees in my back yard. I have literally been this close to it all this time. It’s right in my back yard! Amazing!

V

EDIT:

So I’ve had a few PMs from folks, struggling to get through this mombassa of a thread, whislt picking out the relevant bits.

Alright, so I want to re-get into this stuff, since i kinda half-assed it and was discouraged last time, especially when oxiracetam did nothing noticeable for me. So i went back to find this post, for a starting stack. So, is it still good?

Bushy isn’t in favor of HupA as of late, but I’m a fan. Some folks he knew had bad reactions with it.

I believe it augments Oxi’s effects very nicely.

But, yeah, that’s still the standard layout that most folks use, Guy.

And it rocks that you’re so psyched Vegita. It’s a wonderful thing to kickass and burn through work.

Small update. Two nights in a row for Dart league matches, Two nights in a row with an energy drink. One Spike Shooter, one rockstar juiced. My focus was lazer sharp and my misthrows were VERY few and far between. However, I was over stimulated and therefore my dispersion pattern was slightly larger than normal causing me to mis many more by very small margins.

I mean I just felt a little jittery so I think I hurt my fine motor skills. Next week I will do no energy drinks and see how ONLY the noop stack I’m taking works. The nice thing is though, even though I didn’t score as well as I had hoped, my throw felt really good and my focus was right where I wanted it to be. I went with the rockstar juiced bacause it is half juice and therefore much weaker than a Spike Shooter, but It still got me over the top as far as being stimulated.

Now if I was bowling, of playing Volleyball or basketball, I can see this being a very good thing as such minute motor control isn’t needed.

V

I’ve found similar patterns, Vegita. Over stimulated can be detrimental just like being understimulated, at least for me.

I’ve found I prefer small amounts of caffeine (tea) and my noop stack work the very best for clarity and focus.

I’ll be interested on if your performance increases next week without the stims.

Which drugs would you recommend to improve conversation and social awareness? I’m finding myself not being able to flow in conversation like I used to.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Which drugs would you recommend to improve conversation and social awareness? I’m finding myself not being able to flow in conversation like I used to.[/quote]

Lots of people find piracetam improves social skills. Works good with a little vinpo. Maybe some l-theanine for anxiety if needed.