[quote]imagination wrote:
Is 30mg a day (3 x 10mg doses) too little? what can i step it up to safely? or would it be ok to take just one big dose in the morning, say 30mg at once?[/quote]
As I understand it that’s the regular dose. I think he was referring to the fact that you were talking 5mg before and were going to start taking 5mg again.
10mg 3X ED is the normal dose.
[quote]middleageguy wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
karlrichii wrote:
well, I found out last night that a Spike Tab + public speaking = hyper gibberish and a lost audience
No surprise there, stimulants can be useful but I wouldn’t consider them a nootropic. At least not at the doses found in Spike.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Its highly possible he’s not used to the compounds in it.
I know if I haven’t had coffee for a couple days, even a cup will give me jitters.
Same with alcohol - If I haven’t had a drink in a few days, even one beer gives me a buzz.
Yes, you do have to experiment with these things beforehand…don’t wait and take something new right before a significant event, important exam, etc.[/quote]
actually i use Spike all the time, but i think that the Spike plus the nervousness and the complexity of what I was speaking about plus my habit of speaking fast when excited combined to spell semi-disaster that night.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
And the fact that 30mg, 3 x day is fine, as are higher doses.
BBB[/quote]
Do you notice any greater effects from higher doses of vinpo?
Pramiracetam
Anyone have any experience with it? It got mentioned a few times in the first thread but only one person had used it.
I’m very interested to know if anyone has used it/would recommend it. The site I get my racetams from has some available and if no one else posts here about it I’ll probably have to try it out on myself and let you all know.
Anyone have any good sleeping stack?..I been having trouble sleeping the last 2 weeks. I tried phosphatidylserine, herbal tea, and magnesium…quality of sleep was better but still can’t sleep for more than 5-6 hours at a time :(.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Anyone have any good sleeping stack?..I been having trouble sleeping the last 2 weeks. I tried phosphatidylserine, herbal tea, and magnesium…quality of sleep was better but still can’t sleep for more than 5-6 hours at a time :(.[/quote]
There are loads of threads about this in the supplements forum. Not really brain boosting but i suppose quality sleep leads to better thinking.
I always take melatonin on sunday nights, because thats the one night i usually have trouble sleeping on due to wrecking my sleeping pattern over the weekends. Before then I tried everything which either didn’t work or left me with a hangover feeling the next day, and would of felt fresher if I had just stayed up all night. I found the same thing with melatonin too at first, but i split a 3mg tab in half and it works much better and no hangover the next day.
[quote]imagination wrote:
ronaldo7 wrote:
Anyone have any good sleeping stack?..I been having trouble sleeping the last 2 weeks. I tried phosphatidylserine, herbal tea, and magnesium…quality of sleep was better but still can’t sleep for more than 5-6 hours at a time :(.
There are loads of threads about this in the supplements forum. Not really brain boosting but i suppose quality sleep leads to better thinking.
I always take melatonin on sunday nights, because thats the one night i usually have trouble sleeping on due to wrecking my sleeping pattern over the weekends. Before then I tried everything which either didn’t work or left me with a hangover feeling the next day, and would of felt fresher if I had just stayed up all night. I found the same thing with melatonin too at first, but i split a 3mg tab in half and it works much better and no hangover the next day.[/quote]
I didn’t see anything that had to do with Natural supplements, I’ve read on magnesium and melatonin but want to go a step further and start messing with “brain boosters” since I don’t want to take any chemically powered sleep aids. I tried melatonin before and didn’t notice anything.
For those who have taken things like 5-HTP, Valerian Extract or GABA, what was your experience?
I bought these today but don’t have any idea if I can stack them all together…I’m soo desperate for sleep, haven’t been able to train since Saturday!!
I’d also be interested to see what you guys thing about 5-HTP, GABA, etc. Don’t these work in sort of “opposite” way as the racetams? I think I remember reading that somewhere…
So far I’ve been taking vinpo 3x/day 5mg as well as piracetam+choline and every once in a while huperzine-a. Haven’t noticed anything so far except for maybe some boost in mood with the piracetam. Suggestions? Maybe up the doses?
I think I am going to check out the stack mentioned in the first post…
Is that a pretty good one? I have tried ritalin/adderall before (legally) but I didn’t really need the stimulant effect. While you are on it, it’s nice, but both result in a crash so long term use kinda sucks. Not to mention the slight withdrawal when you stop taking them.
Recently I’ve been using Spike, Alpha-GPC, and phosphatidylserine which the combo seems to be working decently well.
Can anyone PM me with the US source they have been using? Thanks
I tried through pm’s but the message system seems a little buggy. So yeah, I’d like a source for aniracetam as well. PM or in the thread would be appreciated.
ickii
[quote]ickii wrote:
I tried through pm’s but the message system seems a little buggy. So yeah, I’d like a source for aniracetam as well. PM or in the thread would be appreciated.
ickii[/quote]
Hey, sorry my response didn’t go through, I tried to send it.
The PMs here are so fucked.
If you need another one let me know. It’s run by one of the guys who’s been around this thread, reputable fella.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
Ok, I’m REAAAALLLLLYYYYY trying to make sense of all this, but i just can’t. I’m trying. Really.
So can someone knowledgeable on this help me out please?
What I’m trying to improve is: concentration, focus, cognitive attributes, motivation?, creativity, memorizing and retaining information easier, mood?, overall health benefits
I’m thinking:
DMAE
Vinpo
and one of racetams(don’t really know which one)
Good? No good? Do I need anything else?
What brands do you recommend?
What amounts daily? (also give this for women as my gf won’t stop bothering me about this)
Is this realistic?
Any side effects I should expect from any of these?
EDIT: I re-read some stuff and seems that I should go with:
Vinpo 3 x 10mg ED with food
DMAE 600mg once or twice per day
aniracetam 600mg 3 x ED
I have yet to figure out which brands are good to buy in US
I’ll PM you where I buy my racetams, very realiable and quick. I don’t really know how they stack up on price but I do know that I don’t feel bent over a barrel by their prices.
All I take is Vinpo, DMAE, Ani everyday and Oxi 2-3 times per week. (I’m a premed student I study a shitload).
I’m definitely sharper for it. I get no side effects, you may be different, everyone has their own biochemistry, but as I understand it if you stay with reasonable doses (which should be the same between sexes, most of the effects are targeted at the brain which shouldn’t differ too much between people) you won’t get side effects.
Overdoing it on DMAE can cause some side effects like stiff neck, headaches, etc but I’ve taken very large doses sometimes and never gotten problems.
I would space out the DMAE.
Let me know if you want me to PM you the brands of Vinpo and DMAE I use, but they’re nothing special and easily found on the net. [/quote]
Hey mate,
How do you structure your usage, if you don’t mind me asking? Doses, timing, etc. I’ve been interested in similar supps, but still unsure as to how I should set up a stack - I had a similar idea about pira/ani daily with oxi 2-3 times per week just prior to a sesson… you can PM me or reply here; I’m pretty sure my PMs work fine.
Best,
Dan
[quote]danchubb wrote:
Hey mate,
How do you structure your usage, if you don’t mind me asking? Doses, timing, etc. I’ve been interested in similar supps, but still unsure as to how I should set up a stack - I had a similar idea about pira/ani daily with oxi 2-3 times per week just prior to a sesson… you can PM me or reply here; I’m pretty sure my PMs work fine.
Best,
Dan[/quote]
Dan,
I generally take 3 doses a day (everyday) of my staples.
Morning:
10-20mg Vinp
350=700mg DMAE (2 pills 130mg of Essential DMAE in each pill).
~700mg of Ani
I’ll take similar doses around lunch (~11-12) and once more in late afternoon (~4pm).
I’ll take oxi when I need it, about 30 minutes before I need to sit down to rock out studying.
I try not to take it late at night because I’ve found it helps me study, but only if I have the energy to in the first place.
You could pretty much do everything else the same and be good to go.
I’d do either Pira or Ani, I guess you could do both but I’ve yet to try that and can’t advise you on how that would work out.
Pira needs to be taken in larger doses (2400 to 4800 mg per day) but you’d still split the total dose up over 3 doses.
Hope that helps.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Dan,
I generally take 3 doses a day (everyday) of my staples.
Morning:
10-20mg Vinp
350=700mg DMAE (2 pills 130mg of Essential DMAE in each pill).
~700mg of Ani
I’ll take similar doses around lunch (~11-12) and once more in late afternoon (~4pm).
I’ll take oxi when I need it, about 30 minutes before I need to sit down to rock out studying.
I try not to take it late at night because I’ve found it helps me study, but only if I have the energy to in the first place.
You could pretty much do everything else the same and be good to go.
I’d do either Pira or Ani, I guess you could do both but I’ve yet to try that and can’t advise you on how that would work out.
Pira needs to be taken in larger doses (2400 to 4800 mg per day) but you’d still split the total dose up over 3 doses.
Hope that helps. [/quote]
Thanks mate, that’s good.
With regards to the ani, how do you measure it out? How much oxi do you use?
Also, I’ve heard that ani/dmae should be taken on a relatievly empty stomach (maybe with some olive oil) whereas vinpo should be taken with food. How’s your experiences been re that?
Best,
Dan
I take everything with food, I try to get the Ani with a fatty meal, but I eat fat in pretty much every meal, so it’s not really a big deal. Ani is lipophillic and the prevailing theory is that consumption with fatty meals will help absorption.
I measure out my doses in 1/4 of a teaspoon that’s roughly 700mg for ani and 800+ for oxi (oxi is a more fine powder).
It’s not exact but it works. You could also cap your powders in gelatin capsules of the appropriate size but I’ve just been too lazy and measuring and consuming (I just toss it into my mouth) works just fine.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
I take everything with food, I try to get the Ani with a fatty meal, but I eat fat in pretty much every meal, so it’s not really a big deal. Ani is lipophillic and the prevailing theory is that consumption with fatty meals will help absorption.
I measure out my doses in 1/4 of a teaspoon that’s roughly 700mg for ani and 800+ for oxi (oxi is a more fine powder).
It’s not exact but it works. You could also cap your powders in gelatin capsules of the appropriate size but I’ve just been too lazy and measuring and consuming (I just toss it into my mouth) works just fine.
[/quote]
So to clarify, you take ani 3x day? and DMAE 3x a day as well?
Seems like quite a lot of DMAE.
I was planning on something like
700mg ani 2xday
300mg Alpha-GPC 2xday or 350mg DMAE 2xday
vinpo 20mg 3xday
oxi 800mg prior to study sessions (2-3 times per week, maybe more in exam period)
Thoughts on that protocol? THanks for all your help man
Dan
Hey Ghost22 - Still no PM. Is there another way to contact you? Or is the source mentioned in either of the two threads? Don’t mind hunting for it if it’s mentions somewhere. Either way I appreciate your help.
ickii
Dan,
Yes I take ani and DMAE 3x a day. I take more DMAE that is generally recommended, but I don’t get any side effects from over dosing.
I’ll probably cut back in my DMAE intake once I get my Huperzine A in, it’s an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor. Basically less choline will get degraded by the body (in theory) so I shouldn’t need to supplement with as much.
Also, your total Vinpo is kinda high for right out of the gate, most folks notice a nice benefit with just 10mg x3ED (30mg total). I usually end up with 30mg-50mg (most often it’s just 30mg) total a day, it’s not a biggie but you could probably save some pills from the get-go and increase the dose later if you felt the need to.
Im aware of the cognitive increasing capabilities of aniracetam and oxiracetam but what about their effects on mood? I often feel depressed and lack motivation. I use 5htp off and on, gaba and st johns wort. Pretty much every day I will make a drink with 3 grams of l-tyrosine, 300-600mg of DMAE and recently added 3 grams of piracetam. I drink this on average twice a day. Cant say the piracetam is working. But its known as being weak, so I`m not surprised.
I also take b-vitmins, inject b-12 once a week and consume 1200mg of dha per day, use the equivalent of ZMA at night and take 3 grams of vit c a day and take 400ius of vit E per day. I tried rhodiola rosea as well and dont think I`d buy it again. But l-tyrosine with DMAE to me is the bomb. Was hoping aniracetam would help me. The oxi I know is more for studying but maybe a low dose with some ani would put me in more focused/procuctive state. What do you guys think?