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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
They stole something. I may not agree with taking the child away, but they did commit a crime…and I can guarantee if you change these two people to two teenagers who accidentally walked out the store holding a The Game cd while also buying 50 bucks worth of shit, none of you would be against it like this.

Yeah, it sucks because a child was involved…but stores do usually have practices that involve crossing the entrance meaning you stole it.

Without that, what line do they use for people actually stealing shit?[/quote]

You do not even have a passing familiarity with logic. Furthermore, every time you attempt to “argue”, you do so fallaciously. You do not even know you are doing it, as you have above (as if walking out with a CD is even remotely the same as eating a sandwich, saving the wrapper for scan, but forgetting). LOL

Lastly, you read the same exact article we all did and assumed they left the store. [/quote]

LOL!!

How do you know they “forgot”?

Please answer this before we go further.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do have to say it is funny how people are just assuming this couple didn’t steal the food with full knowledge of what they were doing.[/quote]

Dude, it’s my post. Stop with your passive/aggressive whining. Call me out.

I didn’t “assume” anything. Whatever happened, it was clearly mishandled and a loss prevention professional already weighed in here and stated as much. But then again, you’re a “doctor” and you get followed at target, so you must know from what you speak.

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and besides, forgot or not, it’s stealing.

I’m not some righteous person here, I stole stuff from K-Mart in 10th grade and got caught. Luckily, the buddy who was with me, his mom worked at the store.

that was fricken scary

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[quote]Ulty wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, you are seriously missing an opportunity here to make this a tremendous thread.[/quote]
Damn!

I’ll have to try again later. Time to go to the store right now and pretend to shop, actually.[/quote]

LOL. Just remember…put things in the basket that make sense. 35 year old guy pushing a basket with a stuffed animal and a box of tampons just may stand out to someone.

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People crack into things at the grocery store all the time. It’s not what I’d call good grocery store etiquette, but I don’t see how it’s against the law. I think intent would be awfully hard to prove in a case where they made no effort to ditch the evidance. The difference between this, and 2 teenagers with a CD isn’t the pregnant mother vs. 2 teenage kids part. It’s that you don’t usually find people walking into the music store with their ghetto blaster, unwrapping the CDs inside the store, turning the volume up and rocking their way through the check out. It’s not a comparable situation. It’s viably an honest mistake, and should have been handled better by everyone involved.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
They stole something. I may not agree with taking the child away, but they did commit a crime…and I can guarantee if you change these two people to two teenagers who accidentally walked out the store holding a The Game cd while also buying 50 bucks worth of shit, none of you would be against it like this.

Yeah, it sucks because a child was involved…but stores do usually have practices that involve crossing the entrance meaning you stole it.

Without that, what line do they use for people actually stealing shit?[/quote]

You do not even have a passing familiarity with logic. Furthermore, every time you attempt to “argue”, you do so fallaciously. You do not even know you are doing it, as you have above (as if walking out with a CD is even remotely the same as eating a sandwich, saving the wrapper for scan, but forgetting). LOL

Lastly, you read the same exact article we all did and assumed they left the store. [/quote]

LOL!!

How do you know they “forgot”?

Please answer this before we go further.[/quote]

I don’t know. But actually saving the wrapper is a point in their favor. It could have been a ruse, but what makes more sense: saving a $5 sandwich wrapper ostensibly as an excuse if you get caught while paying for $50 worth of other goods or, saving the wrapper to scan at the register and merely forgetting about it?

Since no one can possibly know what the INTENT was, which is more likely given what we know? MORE LIKELY?

Please answer this before we go further. I asked “more likely” - this means you have to choose one (helping you out here).

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
It’s viably an honest mistake, and should have been handled better by everyone involved.[/quote]

It is also viably an intentional criminal offense. Why would you assume one over the other and then rush to judgment?

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
People crack into things at the grocery store all the time. It’s not what I’d call good grocery store etiquette, but I don’t see how it’s against the law. I think intent would be awfully hard to prove in a case where they made no effort to ditch the evidance. The difference between this, and 2 teenagers with a CD isn’t the pregnant mother vs. 2 teenage kids part. It’s that you don’t usually find people walking into the music store with their ghetto blaster, unwrapping the CDs inside the store, turning the volume up and rocking their way through the check out. It’s not a comparable situation. It’s viably an honest mistake, and should have been handled better by everyone involved.[/quote]

Did you actually just waste your time deconstructing his fallaciously constructed argument? LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
It’s viably an honest mistake, and should have been handled better by everyone involved.[/quote]

It is also viably an intentional criminal offense. Why would you assume one over the other and then rush to judgment?[/quote]

I ask you again. Which is “more likely”?

Spend $50 to steal $5?

Is that your argument? Is that your rationale?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I don’t know. But actually saving the wrapper is a point in their favor.[/quote]

You know they were not HIDING THE WRAPPER, how?

[quote]

It could have been a ruse, but what makes more sense: saving a $5 sandwich wrapper ostensibly as an excuse if you get caught while paying for $50 worth of other goods or, saving the wrapper to scan at the register and merely forgetting about it? [/quote]

This isn’t about what makes sense. I had a friend in high school whose parents were lawyers and clearly made 6 figures a year apiece…that didn’t stop him from shop lifting when he had the money to buy it.

You are ASSUMING INNOCENCE…based on nothing but stereotypes.

[quote]

Since no one can possibly know what the INTENT was, which is more likely given what we know? MORE LIKELY?

Please answer this before we go further. I asked “more likely” - this means you have to choose one (helping you out here).[/quote]

This isn’t about what is more likely. Since when are you the judge and jury?

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As someone who works in a grocery store I assume everyone is stealing everything all the time. I only follow the hot chicks though because after all lose prevention isn’t even my damn job.

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[quote]Johnny T Frisk wrote:
As someone who works in a grocery store I assume everyone is stealing everything all the time. I only follow the hot chicks though because after all lose prevention isn’t even my damn job.[/quote]

LOL. I used to work at a store like that. The people who you LEAST EXPECTED were the main ones stealing shit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I don’t know. But actually saving the wrapper is a point in their favor.[/quote]

You know they were not HIDING THE WRAPPER, how?

[quote]

It could have been a ruse, but what makes more sense: saving a $5 sandwich wrapper ostensibly as an excuse if you get caught while paying for $50 worth of other goods or, saving the wrapper to scan at the register and merely forgetting about it? [/quote]

This isn’t about what makes sense. I had a friend in high school whose parents were lawyers and clearly made 6 figures a year apiece…that didn’t stop him from shop lifting when he had the money to buy it.

You are ASSUMING INNOCENCE…based on nothing but stereotypes.

[quote]

Since no one can possibly know what the INTENT was, which is more likely given what we know? MORE LIKELY?

Please answer this before we go further. I asked “more likely” - this means you have to choose one (helping you out here).[/quote]

This isn’t about what is more likely. Since when are you the judge and jury?[/quote]

I have no idea why I expect an intelligent argument from you after all these years. It just aint coming.

First, there is nothing in the article to “stereotype”. I don’t even remember their name. There is no photo. They could be black, hispanic, white, whatever. They could be fucking blue. They could be crack addicts. There is no basis whatsoever to “stereotype”.

Next, you asked why we (I) were “assuming” they were innocent. I didn’t declare “innocence”. I did declare what occurred was heavy-handed. You already had a loss prevention guy here agreeing it was heavy handed. Why do I feel it was heavy handed? Because MORE LIKELY than not, it was probably an oversight. Let’s save the gestapo police tactics and seizure of children for when this couple with child in tow actually brandish a firearm and take down the safe.

$5 sandwich dude. Paid for $50 worth of goods. Saved the wrapper.

Tellingly, you stated “this isn’t about what makes sense”. Thank you for that admission. Because you often do not make sense.

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If you were going to steal a sandwhich by eating it in the store would you keep the wrapper in the kart where it’s likely to be spotted by the person at the till, or would you stuff the wrapper in behind the dill pickles? It’s unlikely that they couldn’t afford the five dollars if they went on to spend 50 more, it’s unlikely they were out thrill seeking with their child in tow, it’s unlikely that they were attempting to commit a crime if they made no effort to hide the evidance, and it’s unlikely that they’re circus freak stupid. Sure, it’s possible they intended to steal it. It’s just nowhere near as likely as being an honest mistake.

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
If you were going to steal a sandwhich by eating it in the store would you keep the wrapper in the kart where it’s likely to be spotted by the person at the till, or would you stuff the wrapper in behind the dill pickles? It’s unlikely that they couldn’t afford the five dollars if they went on to spend 50 more, it’s unlikely they were out thrill seeking with their child in tow, it’s unlikely that they were attempting to commit a crime if they made no effort to hide the evidance, and it’s unlikely that they’re circus freak stupid. Sure, it’s possible they intended to steal it. It’s just nowhere near as likely as being an honest mistake.[/quote]

Dude, no offense, but they were easily as likely to simply think they were above having to pay for the sandwich SINCE they bought 50 bucks worth of shit. You are acting like this is impossible.

It is also likely she did forget, remembered BEFORE SHE LEFT and then said “fuck it” and walked out anyway.

Both scenarios are JUST as likely and both would mean she stole the damn sammich.

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Speaking of fucked up shopping-related stories

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a couple things:

  1. They took something that didnt belong to them and did not pay for it. that is STEALING and is ILLEGAL. They should face the consequences for their actions. (weather or not they intended to pay for it is irrelevant)

  2. They were white (from California) and living in Hawaii… Hawaiians do not like white people/mainlanders who live in Hawaii.

  3. She ex Military and living in Hawaii… If there is one thing that Hawaiians hate more than white people/mainlanders its white people/mainlanders that are in the Military.

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I keep thinking about all the cases I see on TV around here were adults use kids, usually three or more, are either used to distract the workers or do the stealing for the adults.

I did not go back and check but wasn’t there a statement by Safeway HQ saying they were concerned and looking into how the situation was handled?

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
If you were going to steal a sandwhich by eating it in the store would you keep the wrapper in the kart where it’s likely to be spotted by the person at the till, or would you stuff the wrapper in behind the dill pickles? It’s unlikely that they couldn’t afford the five dollars if they went on to spend 50 more, it’s unlikely they were out thrill seeking with their child in tow, it’s unlikely that they were attempting to commit a crime if they made no effort to hide the evidance, and it’s unlikely that they’re circus freak stupid. Sure, it’s possible they intended to steal it. It’s just nowhere near as likely as being an honest mistake.[/quote]
This.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Sure, it’s possible they intended to steal it. It’s just nowhere near as likely as being an honest mistake.[/quote]
This.[/quote]

but just cause its an “honest mistake” does that mean that they shouldnt have to face the consequences for breaking the law?