They stole something. I may not agree with taking the child away, but they did commit a crime…and I can guarantee if you change these two people to two teenagers who accidentally walked out the store holding a The Game cd while also buying 50 bucks worth of shit, none of you would be against it like this.
Yeah, it sucks because a child was involved…but stores do usually have practices that involve crossing the entrance meaning you stole it.
Without that, what line do they use for people actually stealing shit?
[quote]Ulty wrote:
Also, if there are two people, I only cite one of them (whoever actually took the product) and let the other go, unless it was obvious that they were both involved and instrumental in the theft. In this case, I don’t see a reason to arrest or even detain both of them, even if there wasn’t a kid.
Say the lady meant to steal the sandwich and had no plan to pay for it. Even if I did decide to apprehend, I’d take her in, leave the kid with the dad, the cops would show up for a citation and report, and they’d be out in about 20 minutes.[/quote]
It SOUNDS like the wife only ate the sandwich…but you know like I do that you undercover store types follow someone around the store watching them.
I can almost always pick you guys out.
Just a hint…try putting something in your basket to walk around with that doesn’t scream, “undercover”.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
Also, if there are two people, I only cite one of them (whoever actually took the product) and let the other go, unless it was obvious that they were both involved and instrumental in the theft. In this case, I don’t see a reason to arrest or even detain both of them, even if there wasn’t a kid.
Say the lady meant to steal the sandwich and had no plan to pay for it. Even if I did decide to apprehend, I’d take her in, leave the kid with the dad, the cops would show up for a citation and report, and they’d be out in about 20 minutes.[/quote]
It SOUNDS like the wife only ate the sandwich…but you know like I do that you undercover store types follow someone around the store watching them.
I can almost always pick you guys out.
Just a hint…try putting something in your basket to walk around with that doesn’t scream, “undercover”.[/quote]
when I worked at Wal-Mart in HS, we had this loss prevention guy that would catch all kinds of people, he’d walk around with either a basket or stuff in in his hands. Every now and then he’d ask me to stay somewhat near, as I guess he needed a witness that it was all done by the book. Couldn’t stop anyone until they were out the door, even then employees couldn’t do anything to impede someone, only the loss prevention person.
Me and another person watched as someone walked out the entrance door with a tv once, we couldn’t stop them, could only call management.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
Also, if there are two people, I only cite one of them (whoever actually took the product) and let the other go, unless it was obvious that they were both involved and instrumental in the theft. In this case, I don’t see a reason to arrest or even detain both of them, even if there wasn’t a kid.
Say the lady meant to steal the sandwich and had no plan to pay for it. Even if I did decide to apprehend, I’d take her in, leave the kid with the dad, the cops would show up for a citation and report, and they’d be out in about 20 minutes.[/quote]
It SOUNDS like the wife only ate the sandwich…but you know like I do that you undercover store types follow someone around the store watching them.
I can almost always pick you guys out.
Just a hint…try putting something in your basket to walk around with that doesn’t scream, “undercover”.[/quote]
LOL, you haven’t seen me work. I stand by the magazine rack with two eyeholes cut through a newspaper. Undetectable!
But you’re right, many of the regular customers do know who I am. I just have to stay as subtle as possible when I “shop” and try not to freak out anyone by acting to obviously creepy. The vast majority of my apprehensions are irregular customers during busy times when I can blend in better.
Also, none of us really knows if they really had any intention of buying the food. They can SAY what they want about forgetting…but my guess is, if I “forget” to pay for something at Wal-mart, they will probably not just laugh it off even if I did buy 50 bucks worth of shit.
I think people’s opinions are based on WHO is involved and stereotypes. if you all felt they really stole it, would you be against it like this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It SOUNDS like the wife only ate the sandwich…but you know like I do that you undercover store types follow someone around the store watching them.[/quote]
This part is right. Their security guy probably saw her eating the sandwich and kept following to see if she would pay. I do that all the time. But given the situation, he should have approached the cashier and brought it up instead of waiting at the entrance to make a bust.
Maybe his review was coming up and he needed to boost his numbers.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
Also, if there are two people, I only cite one of them (whoever actually took the product) and let the other go, unless it was obvious that they were both involved and instrumental in the theft. In this case, I don’t see a reason to arrest or even detain both of them, even if there wasn’t a kid.
Say the lady meant to steal the sandwich and had no plan to pay for it. Even if I did decide to apprehend, I’d take her in, leave the kid with the dad, the cops would show up for a citation and report, and they’d be out in about 20 minutes.[/quote]
It SOUNDS like the wife only ate the sandwich…but you know like I do that you undercover store types follow someone around the store watching them.
I can almost always pick you guys out.
Just a hint…try putting something in your basket to walk around with that doesn’t scream, “undercover”.[/quote]
LOL, you haven’t seen me work. I stand by the magazine rack with two eyeholes cut through a newspaper. Undetectable!
But you’re right, many of the regular customers do know who I am. I just have to stay as subtle as possible when I “shop” and try not to freak out anyone by acting to obviously creepy. The vast majority of my apprehensions are irregular customers during busy times when I can blend in better.[/quote]
…as you can probably tell, I get this a lot…especially at Target for some reason. They are the worst about it…which is dumb as shit considering the money I usually drop if I go there.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, none of us really knows if they really had any intention of buying the food. They can SAY what they want about forgetting…but my guess is, if I “forget” to pay for something at Wal-mart, they will probably not just laugh it off even if I did buy 50 bucks worth of shit.[/quote]
I hear that story all the time: “Oops! I forgot!” I mean nearly every single time. You wouldn’t beleive the number of people who forget that they have a fucking brisket shoved down their pants. Oops! In those cases, I just follow the procedure. If I decide to stop you instead of giving you the opportunity to pay at the register (assuming you have other stuff), I probably won’t listen to your excuses.
I try to be very cognizant of this, especially considering my full time job is processing and investigating discrimination claims. When I am hunting for shoplifters, I keep asking myself why I am watching a particular person. If I keyed on someone because of their race, I’d be quite the asshole and hypocrite. Most of our theives are white guys, despite my store being in a diverse neighborhood.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, none of us really knows if they really had any intention of buying the food. They can SAY what they want about forgetting…but my guess is, if I “forget” to pay for something at Wal-mart, they will probably not just laugh it off even if I did buy 50 bucks worth of shit.[/quote]
I hear that story all the time: “Oops! I forgot!” I mean nearly every single time. You wouldn’t beleive the number of people who forget that they have a fucking brisket shoved down their pants. Oops! In those cases, I just follow the procedure. If I decide to stop you instead of giving you the opportunity to pay at the register (assuming you have other stuff), I probably won’t listen to your excuses.
I try to be very cognizant of this, especially considering my full time job is processing and investigating discrimination claims. When I am hunting for shoplifters, I keep asking myself why I am watching a particular person. If I keyed on someone because of their race, I’d be quite the asshole and hypocrite. Most of our theives are white guys, despite my store being in a diverse neighborhood.[/quote]
Well, from experience, I apparently “fit the profile” somehow.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do have to say it is funny how people are just assuming this couple didn’t steal the food with full knowledge of what they were doing.[/quote]
they’re white, famished and with a baby. Surely, that is proof enough
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, from experience, I apparently “fit the profile” somehow.[/quote]
To some people, being big and black is a suspicious behavior. I don’t need to tell you the sad reflection on society this is. I always need to make sure I am looking for real behavioral clues, even if it is easy for a big black guy to get my attention.
Unfortunately, employees will sometimes tell me someone looks suspicious, but when I go to check it out, it is a black, Asian, or Hispanic customer, just shopping like anyone else. Meanwhile, the white college student is stealing a can of Axe.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do have to say it is funny how people are just assuming this couple didn’t steal the food with full knowledge of what they were doing.[/quote]
They very well could have been intentionally stealing, but the PR risk for fully pursuing it, as Safeway is now finding out, is too much.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do have to say it is funny how people are just assuming this couple didn’t steal the food with full knowledge of what they were doing.[/quote]
they’re white, famished and with a baby. Surely, that is proof enough :D[/quote]
Yes, I didn’t miss the attempt in the paper to maker it seem like they were simply starving and pitiful and thus NEEDED the sandwich.
LOL.
Any young hispanic girls gone missing lately in the news?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do have to say it is funny how people are just assuming this couple didn’t steal the food with full knowledge of what they were doing.[/quote]
They very well could have been intentionally stealing, but the PR risk for fully pursuing it, as Safeway is now finding out, is too much.[/quote]
Dude, you are seriously missing an opportunity here to make this a tremendous thread.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
They stole something. I may not agree with taking the child away, but they did commit a crime…and I can guarantee if you change these two people to two teenagers who accidentally walked out the store holding a The Game cd while also buying 50 bucks worth of shit, none of you would be against it like this.
Yeah, it sucks because a child was involved…but stores do usually have practices that involve crossing the entrance meaning you stole it.
Without that, what line do they use for people actually stealing shit?[/quote]
You do not even have a passing familiarity with logic. Furthermore, every time you attempt to “argue”, you do so fallaciously. You do not even know you are doing it, as you have above (as if walking out with a CD is even remotely the same as eating a sandwich, saving the wrapper for scan, but forgetting). LOL
Lastly, you read the same exact article we all did and assumed they left the store.
[quote]Ulty wrote:
Also, if there are two people, I only cite one of them (whoever actually took the product) and let the other go, unless it was obvious that they were both involved and instrumental in the theft. In this case, I don’t see a reason to arrest or even detain both of them, even if there wasn’t a kid.
Say the lady meant to steal the sandwich and had no plan to pay for it. Even if I did decide to apprehend, I’d take her in, leave the kid with the dad, the cops would show up for a citation and report, and they’d be out in about 20 minutes.[/quote]
It SOUNDS like the wife only ate the sandwich…but you know like I do that you undercover store types follow someone around the store watching them.
I can almost always pick you guys out.
Just a hint…try putting something in your basket to walk around with that doesn’t scream, “undercover”.[/quote]
and stop following black people.
we all know you loss prevention guys only follow and/or watch the black people in the store
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, none of us really knows if they really had any intention of buying the food. They can SAY what they want about forgetting…but my guess is, if I “forget” to pay for something at Wal-mart, they will probably not just laugh it off even if I did buy 50 bucks worth of shit.
I think people’s opinions are based on WHO is involved and stereotypes. if you all felt they really stole it, would you be against it like this? [/quote]
Fallacious argument again. Comparing a consumable food item to “forgetting to pay for something at Walmart”. They are not the same thing.
And yes, we are all stereotyping here. The article definitely says the couple was white and because of that, I and others think they are innocent.
