Bouncing Is a Pretty Sweet Deal

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" All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it’s absolutely necessary. And three, be nice."

"If somebody gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker, I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won’t walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can’t walk him, one of the others will help you, and you’ll both be nice. I want you to remember that it’s a job. It’s nothing personal. "

Dalton

This is all you need to know.

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You have to be nice… until it’s time,. to not be nice. -Dalton (that great unsung poet of our time)

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i did a fair amount of “security” jobs at bars when i was in college.

the problem i had was i was short, and at 5’7" i could not intimidate anybody, even though i was 260-270lbs, and was lifting really heavy weights.

so, i often had to get into physical confrontations, where as my HUGE buddies, could talk people down frequently.

oh, to the tough guy who said “learn to hit hard”, i never once threw a punch as a “bouncer”.

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[quote]2lb Monkey wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yeah but if you got balls and can crack skulls it doesnt hurt to have some additional size, plus i dont think the employer gives half a shit if you can fight or not if youre tiny.

That, and osme of your previous comments sound rather childish. How much do you weigh, I’m 215 roughly, and I still feel small, being 6ft 4, I want to get to about 230 before I consider this line of work.

And yes, some of the best doormen are small, I made a doucmentary about doormen (Uni project, some may have noticed my next documentary poasted here, about weight training myths), I might upload it to youtube so ill post a link, in a few weeks. Making the doucmentayr made me learn of a diffeent side to how people percieve doormen, which has made me consider moving into this profession when im older, part time.[/quote]

im 200 @ 6 ft which i still feel is kinda small at least compared to other bouncers who are like 6ft 250

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At my biggest, I was 220 at 5’9, and while I used to teach martial arts, and had my fair share of ‘moving people’ playing hockey, A lot of the job is perception. I was the smallest guy in the place. You don’t WANT to get into any confrontations, your goal (as someone else already said) is to avoid them. As much as you may go out and look at some of the ‘fat’ and tall bouncers some places have, they’re hired as a deterent moreso than their degree of badass-ness. I like to think I’m a pretty tough guy, but in all honesty, I don’t look so intimidating wearing a jacket walking down the street -lol

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I’ve bounced for years in a few places mostly in a college town but also in other bars, as heavy thrower said I’ve never had to throw a punch.
I’ve been fortunate enough to usually be able to talk people down and out ( I am 6’4" around 335Lbs which def helps). It’s much easier in the long run and much better for the establishment if your bouncers don’t want to fight.

I personally don’t want to work with anyone who actually wants to “fight”. We’ve all joked about someone doing something on boring nights but thats just to throw out a guy who’s annoying or something. It’s a liability to the bar and the other staff if someone wants to fight. I bartend now and have told the bar to get rid of a guy who did more harm than good as a bouncer.

Most of the time even the “smaller” guys I know who bounce can do a great job if you just tell people the deal. If they don’t follow the rules they leave, they might fight a little bit but if your calm and explain they’re leaving and they can wait for the cops or not it gets easier. and most of the time there is at least one kinda sober guy in a group or a girlfriend who as long as your not a dick and just make it about you having to do the job will be one your side.

Also never threaten violence, you can tell someone your gonna remove them but never make it a confrontation until they force the issue, allot of shit happens because someone doesn’t want to look bad in front of their boys.

sorry for the long post, we’ve just been having some issues with bouncers at my bar lately so I’ve had some opinions on the subject.

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[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
BALBO wrote:

Its not about muscle mass.Its about having balls and fighting ability.

you are fucking retarded.

the whole point of security is to PREVENT fights. not to go around and start them. if u’re a 140lb super duper pooper scooper black belt, no one is gonna know from just looking at you, and therefore, u’re gonna get walked on.

however, if you’re some huge hulking muscle mass guy, it’s doubtfull anyone is gonna try to kick your ass, regardeless if you do bjj or can’t even wipe your own ass.

you take your ‘balsy, fighting self’ along with u’re most likely subpar physique, and we’ll see how many clubs wanna hire you.[/quote]

Listen,asswipe.Where did you bounce and for how long?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i did a fair amount of “security” jobs at bars when i was in college.

the problem i had was i was short, and at 5’7" i could not intimidate anybody, even though i was 260-270lbs, and was lifting really heavy weights.

so, i often had to get into physical confrontations, where as my HUGE buddies, could talk people down frequently.

oh, to the tough guy who said “learn to hit hard”, i never once threw a punch as a “bouncer”.[/quote]

Look,man.I dont know where you worked,but where I worked we used fists,boots,baseball bats,aluminium baseball bats,telescop sticks,cables,bottles,etc.
This summer in Llorret,I threw dozens of punches and kicks in one streetfight with Italians outside of my disco.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yeah but if you got balls and can crack skulls it doesnt hurt to have some additional size, plus i dont think the employer gives half a shit if you can fight or not if youre tiny.[/quote]

Its depends.Spanish employers like to have at least one bouncer from Balkans or East Europe.
East-Eurpean bouncers have image of people who can take care of heavy problems.
Believe me,if you are disco/bar/night club owner,you really dont want a bunch of drunken idiots tear you place down.

If some major shit starts,you dont really want a crew of body builders with diplomatic skills protect your place…you want aggresive thugs on your doors that will beat the scum and threw them out…you want people coming to your place saying-we better behave,cause this place have some nasty bouncers.
Now,all you keyboard-bouncer-instructors can have your endless discussion.

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Obvoiusly,some size is important,but if you are 180 lb. boxer,you will do fine.
If you have balls and some fighting experience.
Sorry to burst your bubble,but fighting with mean thugs is not a body building contest.You can be 400 lb. of muscle,but you will not scare a real bad-ass.He will open you with a knife in no time.

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This is a video about big bouncers that are pussies and dont know how to fight.
If this idiot punched me,he d better finish me,cause he would be for a long,long time in a hospital.
Idiot hits a bouncer,and they all go hide inside.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i did a fair amount of “security” jobs at bars when i was in college.

the problem i had was i was short, and at 5’7" i could not intimidate anybody, even though i was 260-270lbs, and was lifting really heavy weights.

so, i often had to get into physical confrontations, where as my HUGE buddies, could talk people down frequently.

oh, to the tough guy who said “learn to hit hard”, i never once threw a punch as a “bouncer”.[/quote]

Go back to your logs and barbells.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Liquid447 wrote:
BALBO wrote:

LOL. Watch out with that attitude brother.

I know you’re a “hulking mass muscle guy”, but your massive muscles on top of muscles mean don’t mean much to a guy who doesn’t give two shits if he ends up in jail or not.

You know what being big means? That means no one will come at you empty handed. As somone who has been hit with weapons and watched people be assaulted by them, all I can say is never, ever get comfortable with what you’re doing. Like the other dude said, don’t be paying attention to pussy more than what’s going on around you. Awareness is far more important than being a MASS MONSTER!!! (hahaha that’s so fucking funny).

Be careful. It’s a trap with bouncing it seems, where kids (and I do say “kids”) think it’s wonderful for a while until something bad happens that makes them realize that it’s actually quite dangerous.

As an oft drunk person, I can tell you that we are amongst the stupidest, shiftiest, ballsiest, most unpredicatable people around when we’re in a state of inebreation.

A friend of mine said it best- “I used to wonder what went through the fucking minds of people that take swings at cops. I saw it last night, and it’s name is Everclear.”[/quote]

i understand where you’re coming from. however 99% of ppl at frat parties or university bars aren’t looking to go to jail, regardless of alcohol consumption. and fine, BALBO might be some amazing badass. but he doesn’t walk around wearing a shirt proclaiming his badassness. and the truth is, this kind of job is fairly superficial. if i was a manager, i’d rather have a big dumb oaf of a guy, than a smaller guy who feels he needs to demonstrate his ‘skills’.

if i need too, i’d much rather get a guy in a choke hold or arm/joint lock if i have to take someone out of an establishment. i’d only strike as a last resort, as in that case i face a much higher chance of facing legal action.

and you’re right, i’ll probably go along my merry way, thinking it’s so much fun, untill i get cracked in the skull. however, my original point still stands, and that the average frat party crowd is generally out to just have fun and get drunk, while guys at big city bars will have a greater tendency to act tough and create trouble.

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[quote]biggieben wrote:

Also never threaten violence, you can tell someone your gonna remove them but never make it a confrontation until they force the issue, allot of shit happens because someone doesn’t want to look bad in front of their boys.

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exactly, we had one incident where a girl came up to us complaining that some guy kept grabbing her ass. so i called him over away from his buddies, told him it we had been getting some complaints about him grabbing the girlss ass, that another bouncer had seen it, and that he’d have to leave for the night. told him it wasn’t anything personal, and that we’d take care of his cover next time he came in, and he had 3 min to explain to his buds and get out of there. there, done. if you talk to someone like a PERSON, they usually don’t know how to react any way except to oblige.

otherwise you could just come off like ‘ok listen here motherfucker, you wanna grabs someone’s ass? why don’t we take you outside and see how much ass you can grab’ which will inevitably end up in an unnecessary fight.

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[quote]BALBO wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yeah but if you got balls and can crack skulls it doesnt hurt to have some additional size, plus i dont think the employer gives half a shit if you can fight or not if youre tiny.

Its depends.Spanish employers like to have at least one bouncer from Balkans or East Europe.
East-Eurpean bouncers have image of people who can take care of heavy problems.
Believe me,if you are disco/bar/night club owner,you really dont want a bunch of drunken idiots tear you place down.

If some major shit starts,you dont really want a crew of body builders with diplomatic skills protect your place…you want aggresive thugs on your doors that will beat the scum and threw them out…you want people coming to your place saying-we better behave,cause this place have some nasty bouncers.
Now,all you keyboard-bouncer-instructors can have your endless discussion.[/quote]

I can say with a high degree of confidence that anyone that I’ve worked for would find this hooligan, alcoholic, balkan retard a liability on their staff, not an asset.

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[quote]BALBO wrote:
heavythrower wrote:

Go back to your logs and barbells.[/quote]

look man, you might be the ultimate badass, and perfect for the ‘mean streets of where ever’. but that’s not where i’m at.

we don’t use bats, clubs, scuba gear, steering wheels, or trebuchets.

i’m not interested in crushing someone’s skull in with my fist. the biggest problem i’ve experiened so far is when guys on the rugby team start grabbing girls on the dance floor. or when drunk guys wanna show frat brothers their ‘cool ufc moves’

i have agreed that popular bars in big cities carry big physical injury risks. my orignal point is that T-Nation members who are in college should look into that, the pay is better than working at mcdonalds, it’s more fun, and the crowds are 99% of college ppl just looking to get drunk and have fun, not drag a fucking at-4 to a club to prove how much of a badass he is.

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When I worked it was workong,this was the most frequent scenario.
Bunch of 20-year old boys are drinking in our disco/bar and something happens.They mess with waiters,start to fight another group,harras girls,brake glass and bottles,break stuff in the toilet.

We get the call from the bar and storm from the doors inside.We get to them and they are saying it wasnt me.We take the guilty ones and throw them out gently.No problems at this point.The rest of their group go out to join the guilty ones.They plage their innocence and beg us to let them in.We say no.
They are out in the street…they are drunk…they paid entrance but are out.

Quickly they figure there are more of them than us bouncers.They demand that we let them in.We say no.they try with harsh words.We say fuck off.
They either try to get in with force or they get bottles out of thrashcans and start to throw at us or they insult us.
At that point we do them.We beat them up.Fast,aggressive,brutal.
There are no 2 ways deal with that situation.

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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
BALBO wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yeah but if you got balls and can crack skulls it doesnt hurt to have some additional size, plus i dont think the employer gives half a shit if you can fight or not if youre tiny.

Its depends.Spanish employers like to have at least one bouncer from Balkans or East Europe.
East-Eurpean bouncers have image of people who can take care of heavy problems.
Believe me,if you are disco/bar/night club owner,you really dont want a bunch of drunken idiots tear you place down.

If some major shit starts,you dont really want a crew of body builders with diplomatic skills protect your place…you want aggresive thugs on your doors that will beat the scum and threw them out…you want people coming to your place saying-we better behave,cause this place have some nasty bouncers.
Now,all you keyboard-bouncer-instructors can have your endless discussion.

I can say with a high degree of confidence that anyone that I’ve worked for would find this hooligan, alcoholic, balkan retard a liability on their staff, not an asset.[/quote]

Yes and thats precisely why so many experienced head bouncers want me in their crew.
You can now go back to your EDT and calorie-counting while posting bouncing-wisdom.
Please enlight us more about handling aggressive patrons.

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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
BALBO wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yeah but if you got balls and can crack skulls it doesnt hurt to have some additional size, plus i dont think the employer gives half a shit if you can fight or not if youre tiny.

Its depends.Spanish employers like to have at least one bouncer from Balkans or East Europe.
East-Eurpean bouncers have image of people who can take care of heavy problems.
Believe me,if you are disco/bar/night club owner,you really dont want a bunch of drunken idiots tear you place down.

If some major shit starts,you dont really want a crew of body builders with diplomatic skills protect your place…you want aggresive thugs on your doors that will beat the scum and threw them out…you want people coming to your place saying-we better behave,cause this place have some nasty bouncers.
Now,all you keyboard-bouncer-instructors can have your endless discussion.

I can say with a high degree of confidence that anyone that I’ve worked for would find this hooligan, alcoholic, balkan retard a liability on their staff, not an asset.[/quote]

I can say with a high degree of confidence that you are gym-pussy and keyboard warrior hiding behind computer screen.As you can see my face from the pics I posted if you ever see me in person,please please repeat to my face that bit about balkan retard.
As I am a keyboard warrior like you,you have nothing to worry about.

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[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
BALBO wrote:
heavythrower wrote:

Go back to your logs and barbells.

look man, you might be the ultimate badass, and perfect for the ‘mean streets of where ever’. but that’s not where i’m at.

we don’t use bats, clubs, scuba gear, steering wheels, or trebuchets.

i’m not interested in crushing someone’s skull in with my fist. the biggest problem i’ve experiened so far is when guys on the rugby team start grabbing girls on the dance floor. or when drunk guys wanna show frat brothers their ‘cool ufc moves’

i have agreed that popular bars in big cities carry big physical injury risks. my orignal point is that T-Nation members who are in college should look into that, the pay is better than working at mcdonalds, it’s more fun, and the crowds are 99% of college ppl just looking to get drunk and have fun, not drag a fucking at-4 to a club to prove how much of a badass he is.

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Shut up and watch!