Bodybuilding and pro football are about as closely related as being a five star chef and winning the Nathan’s hot dog eating contest.
All the studies I have seen about calorie restriction extending life has been in rats, that aren’t doing anything their whole life anyway.
Does anybody know of studies in humans that live a competitive life using calorie restricted diets?
While many bodybuilders are alot bigger than the average person, alot of the requirements for them to build their body inlcude taking care of their body. Often this consumes every part of their life. They notice every bump, or pound gained and resolve their issues than even a woman who waits until an Oprah special to give herself a mammogram.
So I seriuosly doubt their life expectancy would be much lower than the average person. I don’t know if he’s a body builder but you can always ask Jack lalane.
If the question is just does bodybuilding shorten life span I would pretty confidently say no. The extremes that top level PRO bodybuilders(and other athletes) have to take are a different story. Diuretics, extreme eating, just being 250-300+ lbs are some things the human body is just not used to. Recreational bodybuilding is no where near that extreme and all the plus sides are things that no doctor would say is bad. Healthier eating, resistance training, cardio and the like.
Comparing football players with bodybuilders is silly though, what football players do is have 100s of collisions a week, at least, with some of the biggest and strongest men around. Anyone who thinks it’s something besides that which CAN shorten their lifespan is reaching.
Dave Tate wrote something awhile ago on his site that I can’t seem to find now but just from memory it was along the lines of… When you get to the elite of anything health becomes secondary.
Jack Lalane doesn’t just do lifting. He also does regular cardio (swimming) for his health. If anyone says lifting is bad for your health, point them to him.
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
just being 250-300+ lbs are some things the human body is just not used to [/quote]
Good thing we have all of these generalizations to throw around.
speaking of jack lalanne he is 92 now. there was an article about him in The Washington Post yea
Yea, thats what I was thinking. The articles around the web talking about restriction of calories extending life span.
Also, there are other articles out there saying short and skinny bodies live the longest. (Not anorexia of course). Asian women in country like japan live to be 80+. Asian women in well developed like the USA are recording to live 90+.
Bodybuilding seems to be the opposite of these things…large body, and high caloric intake.
But then again, they could be talking about obesity. Those are my concerns.
[quote]cloudzero wrote:
Yea, thats what I was thinking. The articles around the web talking about restriction of calories extending life span.
Also, there are other articles out there saying short and skinny bodies live the longest. (Not anorexia of course). Asian women in country like japan live to be 80+. Asian women in well developed countries are recording to live 90+.
Bodybuilding seems to be the opposite of these things…large body, and high caloric intake.
But then again, they could be talking about obesity. Those are my concerns.[/quote]
I don’t mean to make light of your concerns either, but people who sit around even worrying about things like this are funny to me. I personally would rather live a life where I actually did a hell of a lot of “LIVING” than be the type of person who simply tries to live the longest.
Irony would be living your life that way and then dying before the age of 40 in a car accident.
Your life is not like that of a mouse, a rat or a monkey (what most of those longevity studies are based on). Those animals don’t drive cars or deal with the stress of working all day and then raising kids. Those animals don’t get stress related high blood pressure or start sitting on the couch for decades after work eating KFC and fried Twinkies and then wondering why the are obese and die of a heart attack.
If your goal is to “be 90” when you die, what are your plans for all of that “life” up until then?
I can only speak for myself, but no matter how things end, up to this point, I at least know I lived a little.
Oh, and having muscles larger than average has its benefits as well.
[quote]cloudzero wrote:
Yea, thats what I was thinking. The articles around the web talking about restriction of calories extending life span.
Also, there are other articles out there saying short and skinny bodies live the longest. (Not anorexia of course). Asian women in country like japan live to be 80+. Asian women in well developed countries are recording to live 90+.
Bodybuilding seems to be the opposite of these things…large body, and high caloric intake.
But then again, they could be talking about obesity. Those are my concerns.[/quote]
What do Asian Women have to do with Bodybuilders not living as long since NFL players dont live as long?
Asian women live longer because they do some things the majority of Americans dont: they eat their vegatables, get exercise, and avoid destructive behaviors such as smoking and excessive drinking. Bodybuilders (most of them) tend to do these same things. Drawing the relation between being skinny and being healthy is retarded. Meth addicts are skinny. They live to be 35.
Does anyone on this website have a fucking mind anymore?
Thats why im asking. Everyone thinks a certain way for a reason. I am a newbie so please don’t get angry if my questions sound stupid.
One last question:
How is the resting heartrate of BBs?
Since there is much muscle I would think its working hard all the time? or just when the muscles are in use?
is the resting heartrate better or worse than that of a person who jogs everyday.
The only “unhealthy” thing about bodybuilding I can think of, is the joints taking pretty bad damage over long time on some people. But then again, you won’t die from damaged joints.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
just being 250-300+ lbs are some things the human body is just not used to
Good thing we have all of these generalizations to throw around.[/quote]
There must be a reason why the body can’t keep growing all the time, to reach those large amounts. And I can’t believe that anybody up until the 19th-20th century having a real muscular physique, so a little right he is by saying that the human body isn’t used to that imo.
I recall reading something about a low calorie, vegetable dense diet promoting a longer lifespan.
This was because the more food you consume the more free radicals are destroying your cells.
But seriously, who gives a shit? Who wants to live that long anyways? I would rather be young and able and live to 80 then a feeble weakling who lives to 120.
That extra 40 years probably sucks. Nothing but hip pain, hospital treatments, and eating some nasty corn flavored ensure.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
just being 250-300+ lbs are some things the human body is just not used to
Good thing we have all of these generalizations to throw around.[/quote]
Well, in a way he’s right. The body’s not used to it until it’s been there a while.
When I was 3, my body wouldn’t have been used to being 140lbs, but by the time I was 15, it was used to it.
I think that by the time someone gets to a specific weight, (from gaining muscle and without getting obese), their body would be used to it.
Good thing our bodies can’t instantly blow up with muscle.
[quote]Misterhamper wrote:
The only “unhealthy” thing about bodybuilding I can think of, is the joints taking pretty bad damage over long time on some people. But then again, you won’t die from damaged joints.
Professor X wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
just being 250-300+ lbs are some things the human body is just not used to
Good thing we have all of these generalizations to throw around.
There must be a reason why the body can’t keep growing all the time, to reach those large amounts. And I can’t believe that anybody up until the 19th-20th century having a real muscular physique, so a little right he is by saying that the human body isn’t used to that imo.[/quote]
How is he a “little right”? Please list for me the scientific basis for making 250lbs the cut off limit for what the human body is “used to”. The human body is “used to” bench pressing over 400lbs? the human body is adaptive and becomes “used to” whatever you keep throwing at it over time unless it exceeds the capabilities. I haven’t weighed under 250lbs in a few years now. I think my body is “used to” it by now, but thanks for the generalizations.
Let’s not even get into taller lifters who wouldn’t even look that big at 250lbs.
Aren’t you a beginner?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
The only “unhealthy” thing about bodybuilding I can think of, is the joints taking pretty bad damage over long time on some people. But then again, you won’t die from damaged joints.
Professor X wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
just being 250-300+ lbs are some things the human body is just not used to
Good thing we have all of these generalizations to throw around.
There must be a reason why the body can’t keep growing all the time, to reach those large amounts. And I can’t believe that anybody up until the 19th-20th century having a real muscular physique, so a little right he is by saying that the human body isn’t used to that imo.
How is he a “little right”? Please list for me the scientific basis for making 250lbs the cut off limit for what the human body is “used to”. The human body is “used to” bench pressing over 400lbs? the human body is adaptive and becomes “used to” whatever you keep throwing at it over time unless it exceeds the capabilities. I haven’t weighed under 250lbs in a few years now. I think my body is “used to” it by now, but thanks for the generalizations.
Let’s not even get into taller lifters who wouldn’t even look that big at 250lbs.
Aren’t you a beginner?[/quote]
I didn’t use the 250 lbs as a cut-off.
A guy with average height won’t get past 300+ lbs while being lean. That is where the body isn’t used to go, because it can’t even go there in the first place without chemical aid.
The “little right” he was by saying that the human body in the old times wasn’t used to be so huge as even the amateur bodybuilders (the Aboriginees, the Vikings, the Indians, they probably weren’t all that huge, no) - but that isn’t a bad thing that the body is getting near it’s capabilities and adopting to the lifestyle of lifting heavy things. I never said that.
And yes, I am a beginner.
[quote]Chickenmcnug wrote:
But seriously, who gives a shit? Who wants to live that long anyways? I would rather be young and able and live to 80 then a feeble weakling who lives to 120.
That extra 40 years probably sucks. Nothing but hip pain, hospital treatments, and eating some nasty corn flavored ensure.[/quote]
Amen. When I was a kid I had friends who would buy new toys and then not use them because they didn’t want them to get too ‘used’. I’d rather live my life all out than just try and live a long time. Quality over quantity, maybe?
But maybe this is drifting off topic
LOL yes we are drifting off topic.
My original question is:
DOES IT SHORTEN LIFE?
Any written docs that back up either true or false.
I wanted to know because if it changes my life from 85 to 80, then its worth it.
If it changes 80 to 60, then its not. I will just jog.
Are you really so anal that you are worried about healthy lifestyle changes shortening your life?
Thats almost as fucking retarded as the fat woman at my old job telling me that she could eat a pint of ice cream every night because “the body needs some fat”.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The average NFL player doesn’t live to 60. It is a hard life and they do die young.
Is this a real number? Of those that die so young - how many of them are from deteriorated health, and how many are from the mental aspect of not being able to adjust to life after football?
I find it hard to believe that of all the men that have played in the NFL - most of them never seeing any real playing time - the average life expectancy is 60. [/quote]
Recent studies show that an NFL player’s average life expectancy is 55 years (52 for linemen). Meanwhile, life expectancy among the general American population reached an all-time high of 77.6 years in 2003, according to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report in February.
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/10/20/100loc_afootball001.cfm
[quote]cdxer wrote:
LOL yes we are drifting off topic.
My original question is:
DOES IT SHORTEN LIFE?
Any written docs that back up either true or false.
I wanted to know because if it changes my life from 85 to 80, then its worth it.
If it changes 80 to 60, then its not. I will just jog.[/quote]
LOL. You won’t stick with this anyway if your decision is based on whether someone can tell you how much time you have left to live. I would say that bodybuilding and actually making significant progress is a hell of a lot more difficult than jogging.
You have been told already that there is NO documentation of bodybuilding decreasing life span. Why would it anyway? Why would anyone think of building muscle mass as a negative? Beyond that, why do you think gaining muscle is so freaking easy that simply participating in weight lifting means you will ever be near the top in terms of genetic potential or gains?
Chances are, you don’t have the genetics to get very big to start with or else you would never have asked the question. that means worrying about weighing 300lbs of solid muscle when you are completely undeveloped is so stupid it isn’t even worth this response.