[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
You said I was jeolous, so that would mean that I wish I could be him…But I dont wish I could be him, so Im not jealous. I guess I shouldnt have skipped the explanation. [/quote]
jeal·ous
Spelled Pronunciation[jel-uhs] Pronunciation Key �??adjective 1. feeling resentment against someone because of that person’s rivalry, success, or advantages (often fol. by of): He was jealous of his rich brother.
feeling resentment because of another’s success, advantage, etc. (often fol. by of): He was jealous of his brother’s wealth.
Hmmm, nothing there about wishing to BE someone else…just a whole lot about resentment towards someone else’s accomplishments…which seems a whole lot like what you are expressing.
I think resentment is a strong word. Im a competitor though, so It does motivate me to see someone better then myself. What you call that, I dont know.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
I think resentment is a strong word. Im a competitor though, so It does motivate me to see someone better then myself. What you call that, I dont know. [/quote]
you talk waaaayyyyy too much to have nothing important to say
[quote]Pipes06 wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
I think resentment is a strong word. Im a competitor though, so It does motivate me to see someone better then myself. What you call that, I dont know.
you talk waaaayyyyy too much to have nothing important to say[/quote]
It seems like most people who joined this year are like that. Most. Not all. But definitely him.
Are you high? This is a bodybuilding website. Sure, we’re all (below) average when we come here, but we certainly aren’t here to stay that way.[/quote]
Not anymore, they removed the bodybuilding thinktank thing.
Truthfully I have respect for the dedication bodybuilding takes, but I am no longer on a quest for size. I come here mainly for the sports performance and injury prevention articles.
Are you high? This is a bodybuilding website. Sure, we’re all (below) average when we come here, but we certainly aren’t here to stay that way.
Not anymore, they removed the bodybuilding thinktank thing.
Truthfully I have respect for the dedication bodybuilding takes, but I am no longer on a quest for size. I come here mainly for the sports performance and injury prevention articles.
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What I think is silly are the many who claim “sports performance” who don’t play any sports. I also don’t understand those crying about “functionality” who can’t describe what “function” they are specifically training for.
Without those things, blaming a lack of physical progress on them makes absolutely no sense at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
Are you high? This is a bodybuilding website. Sure, we’re all (below) average when we come here, but we certainly aren’t here to stay that way.
Not anymore, they removed the bodybuilding thinktank thing.
Truthfully I have respect for the dedication bodybuilding takes, but I am no longer on a quest for size. I come here mainly for the sports performance and injury prevention articles.
What I think is silly are the many who claim “sports performance” who don’t play any sports. I also don’t understand those crying about “functionality” who can’t describe what “function” they are specifically training for.
Without those things, blaming a lack of physical progress on them makes absolutely no sense at all.[/quote]
What qualifies as sports? Do you have to compete against others? I just find that being much over 200 pounds doesn’t help me in most things unless it involves running into people.
I like lifting weights, pure and simple. I don’t feel a need to compete, yet I want to feel as if I could.
Also there is something to be said for us older guys on making smaller gains or not losing what we have. There is a fine line for me between making gains and nursing injuries.
What qualifies as sports? Do you have to compete against others?[/quote]
Uh, yes.
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I just find that being much over 200 pounds doesn’t help me in most things unless it involves running into people.[/quote]
No one gave a specific body weight (as there are good bodybuilders who compete under 200lbs if you didn’t know). However, it helps me lift heavier objects. I haven’t found one area where greater strength and size than average has been a hinderance aside from individual perception. How could it not help? I need no help carrying over 60lbs worth of groceries or pushing someone’s car down the street by myself. Apparently, greater strength and size than average is now a negative?
There is also the fact that you will lose muscle mass over time and even maintaining what you currently have will get harder and harder as you age. Most of the older guys I’ve known who still lift and LOOK like it are way more consistent and serious than most weekend warriors. Most of them also had much more muscle mass when they were younger. If I am going to turn 65 and look forward to a loss in muscle mass, I would like to have enough left over to still put me over the edge of “average”.
Like written earlier, sports performance makes little sense outside of the realm of ACTUAL SPORTS. “Functionality” also makes no sense without training for a specific function. All else in the realm of weight lifting is generally an excuse to make lack of progress look like a good thing unless you are maintaining that upper level already achieved.
Stagnation and complacency usually lead to someone moving backwards over time.
What qualifies as sports? Do you have to compete against others?
Uh, yes.
Then why do you do it, you don’t compete do you?
I just find that being much over 200 pounds doesn’t help me in most things unless it involves running into people.
I haven’t found one area where greater strength and size than average has been a hinderance aside from individual perception. How could it not help? I need no help carrying over 60lbs worth of groceries or pushing someone’s car down the street by myself. Apparently, greater strength and size than average is now a negative?
I didn’t mention strength, only size. As far as size being a hindrance, for most of the things I do, it can be. Water Skiing, mountain biking, hiking, tennis are all negatively affected by size. And I feel I have greater size and strength than average, but average is pitifully low.
I like lifting weights, pure and simple. I don’t feel a need to compete, yet I want to feel as if I could.
Also there is something to be said for us older guys on making smaller gains or not losing what we have. There is a fine line for me between making gains and nursing injuries.
There is also the fact that you will lose muscle mass over time and even maintaining what you currently have will get harder and harder as you age. Most of the older guys I’ve known who still lift and LOOK like it are way more consistent and serious than most weekend warriors. Most of them also had much more muscle mass when they were younger. If I am going to turn 65 and look forward to a loss in muscle mass, I would like to have enough left over to still put me over the edge of “average”.
This is why I said small gains or maintaining. I lift 3-4 times a week, plus participate in the non sports I mentioned, plus coach soccer. Yet according to your take on things I don’t belong here because I don’t have an interest in bodybuilding.
Like written earlier, sports performance makes little sense outside of the realm of ACTUAL SPORTS. “Functionality” also makes no sense without training for a specific function. All else in the realm of weight lifting is generally an excuse to make lack of progress look like a good thing unless you are maintaining that upper level already achieved.
This is a very narrow view. I come here to PERFORM better in everyday life and because lifting is something I enjoy. I just find that being any bigger than 200 pounds is not that comfortable.
Stagnation and complacency usually lead to someone moving backwards over time.
I have moved back. I am not as strong now as I was in my twenties, nor can I recover as fast. If you feel you will, your most likely in for a surprise.[quote]
Then why do you do it, you don’t compete do you?[/quote]
I don’t claim I am training for “sports performance” either. I also will probably compete within the next year depending on my schedule but that wasn’t the point.
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I didn’t mention strength, only size. As far as size being a hindrance, for most of the things I do, it can be. Water Skiing, mountain biking, hiking, tennis are all negatively affected by size. And I feel I have greater size and strength than average, but average is pitifully low.[/quote]
Whatever makes you happy. I can’t help but wonder, however, why so many people who consider muscle gains to be almost irrelevant have overpopulated this site lately. If I were into skiing, I would express that on skiing discussion forums. I ride my motorcycle whenever it isn’t raining or cold enough to freeze my nuts off. That doesn’t mean I will relate my bodybuilding progress to it or claim that bigger biceps will hinder my riding abilities.
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This is why I said small gains or maintaining. I lift 3-4 times a week, plus participate in the non sports I mentioned, plus coach soccer. Yet according to your take on things I don’t belong here because I don’t have an interest in bodybuilding. [/quote]
That isn’t what I wrote. I wrote that sports specific training makes little sense outside of actual sports. I also wrote that talk of “functional” training makes little sense without training for a specific function. You now claimed a specific function you are training for which means you do not fall directly into that category.
That would fall under “general fitness” which would also include gardening and power-walking. I am glad you are shooting for the stars.
It must be my mistake assuming that people who come here aren’t looking to just “perform better in everyday life”. That isn’t that high of a bar to set. It also doesn’t claim anything specific and is too general to mean much of anything other than that you can get out of bed under your own power.
I didn’t claim that at all. I wrote specifically that I KNOW I will lose muscle mass as I get past 60 years of age which is why I focus on muscle gains now and have no desire to simply be average.
Someone who is average will have very little to fall to hit “below average” when they get older. That is the point being made.
I don’t claim I am training for “sports performance” either. I also will probably compete within the next year depending on my schedule but that wasn’t the point. [/quote]
I don’t believe that you have to compete for it to be a sport. If that is the criteria then beauty contests are as much a sport as bodybuilding.
[quote]I didn’t mention strength, only size. As far as size being a hindrance, for most of the things I do, it can be. Water Skiing, mountain biking, hiking, tennis are all negatively affected by size. And I feel I have greater size and strength than average, but average is pitifully low.
Whatever makes you happy. I can’t help but wonder, however, why so many people who consider muscle gains to be almost irrelevant have overpopulated this site lately. If I were into skiing, I would express that on skiing discussion forums. I ride my motorcycle whenever it isn’t raining or cold enough to freeze my nuts off. That doesn’t mean I will relate my bodybuilding progress to it or claim that bigger biceps will hinder my riding abilities.[/quote]
There is a big difference between no muscle gains and being as huge as possible. There is also a big difference between riding a motorcycle, which requires almost zero athleticism and water-skiing, which requires a great deal of strength. Most people do not have the strength to perform a deep water start.
[quote]This is why I said small gains or maintaining. I lift 3-4 times a week, plus participate in the non sports I mentioned, plus coach soccer. Yet according to your take on things I don’t belong here because I don’t have an interest in bodybuilding.
That isn’t what I wrote. I wrote that sports specific training makes little sense outside of actual sports. I also wrote that talk of “functional” training makes little sense without training for a specific function. You now claimed a specific function you are training for which means you do not fall directly into that category.[/quote]
What about training for better all around athleticism? I agree about the functional training bullshit, but I feel sports specific can make you a better all around athlete even if it is just for being a weekend warrior.
[quote]a very narrow view. I come here to PERFORM better in everyday life and because lifting is something I enjoy. I just find that being any bigger than 200 pounds is not that comfortable.
That would fall under “general fitness” which would also include gardening and power-walking. I am glad you are shooting for the stars.
It must be my mistake assuming that people who come here aren’t looking to just “perform better in everyday life”. That isn’t that high of a bar to set. It also doesn’t claim anything specific and is too general to mean much of anything other than that you can get out of bed under your own power.[/quote]
I understand that you believe that training to maybe someday compete puts you in some type of elite “hardcore” club, but really it doesn’t. I’m sure there are thousands just like you.
What’s more, I described strength training for what I believe to be sports. I’m not talking about being able to get up out of bed, your the one who bragged about being able to carry your own groceries and push your vehicle. Hell, I could push my car out of the road when I was a 140 pound sixteen year old, not a big accomplishment.
Look, I have a lot of respect for many aspects of bodybuilding. And I do believe there are to many 140 pound teens on here demanding “look at me”. I just don’t think this is just a bodybuilding website. Just because I don’t want to weigh more doesn’t mean I’m not trying to build muscle and athletiscism.
I don’t believe that you have to compete for it to be a sport. If that is the criteria then beauty contests are as much a sport as bodybuilding.[/quote]
I would think it would involve an actual activity which means people claiming “sports performance” training should probably be preparing for an actual specific ACTIVITY or SPORT for it to make any sense. Anything else is just talk.
This also makes little sense. There is no such thing as “an all around athlete”. Is Michael Jordan the best golfer? Is he the best tennis player? No, he was the best basketball player because that is what he excelled at.
These general goals that don’t actually require much measurable progress are what has attracted so many half assed lifters to this site.
If you want to pick a sport and train for it, more power to you. However, claiming “all around athleticism” and then using that as the excuse for why you still look like an untrained newbie 5 years after getting a gym membership is ridiculous.
[quote]I understand that you believe that training to maybe someday compete puts you in some type of elite “hardcore” club, but really it doesn’t. I’m sure there are thousands just like you.
What’s more, I described strength training for what I believe to be sports. I’m not talking about being able to get up out of bed, your the one who bragged about being able to carry your own groceries and push your vehicle. Hell, I could push my car out of the road when I was a 140 pound sixteen year old, not a big accomplishment.
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No, my progress is what sets me apart from the average weekend warrior. I also don’t claim to be doing anything but building my body up. I don’t claim some random action of “sports performance” when no sports are involved or “functionality” when there is no function I am specifically training for.
The goal here is to get this site back on track to NOT being for every half assed mall walker who thinks they are actually doing something simply because they used the word “function” in a sentence.
That isn’t even directed at you personally if you don’t fit that mould.
I don’t believe that you have to compete for it to be a sport. If that is the criteria then beauty contests are as much a sport as bodybuilding.
I would think it would involve an actual activity which means people claiming “sports performance” training should probably be preparing for an actual specific ACTIVITY or SPORT for it to make any sense. Anything else is just talk.
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Not sure why you can’t grasp the concept to being physically prepared for whatever comes your way, IE general sports performance. If your friends ask if you want to go mountain biking do you tell them “sorry I don’t train for that”? I train to be fast, powerful AND strong, so that my body can do whatever is asked of it.
I was picturing you as more a Harley guy, like most of the dentist I know. I’ll concede there is some degree of athleticism to riding a sport bike and even more to riding a dirt bike. I don’t own a bike now, but I have. Hell of a lot easier to ride than a mountain bike.
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No one said the goal is to get as “huge as possible”. My personal goal is to be able to compete around 230lbs with a body fat percentage below 7%. Whether I can get there or not, only time will tell.
What I AM saying is that goals so minimal that no one can even tell you workout make no sense to me. This is an activity that requires too much time, attention to detail, money and consistency for someone to claim to be involved in it yet make little to no progress over the course of years.
Again, this is not a website dedicated to gardening and mall walking.
Whether you actually fall into that category isn’t exactly what we are discussing now.
What about training for better all around athleticism? I agree about the functional training bullshit, but I feel sports specific can make you a better all around athlete even if it is just for being a weekend warrior.
This also makes little sense. There is no such thing as “an all around athlete”. Is Michael Jordan the best golfer? Is he the best tennis player? No, he was the best basketball player because that is what he excelled at.[/quote]
See Bo Jackson
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These general goals that don’t actually require much measurable progress are what has attracted so many half assed lifters to this site.
If you want to pick a sport and train for it, more power to you. However, claiming “all around athleticism” and then using that as the excuse for why you still look like an untrained newbie 5 years after getting a gym membership is ridiculous.
I understand that you believe that training to maybe someday compete puts you in some type of elite “hardcore” club, but really it doesn’t. I’m sure there are thousands just like you.
What’s more, I described strength training for what I believe to be sports. I’m not talking about being able to get up out of bed, your the one who bragged about being able to carry your own groceries and push your vehicle. Hell, I could push my car out of the road when I was a 140 pound sixteen year old, not a big accomplishment.
No, my progress is what sets me apart from the average weekend warrior. I also don’t claim to be doing anything but building my body up. I don’t claim some random action of “sports performance” when no sports are involved or “functionality” when there is no function I am specifically training for.
The goal here is to get this site back on track to NOT being for every half assed mall walker who thinks they are actually doing something simply because they used the word “function” in a sentence.
That isn’t even directed at you personally if you don’t fit that mould.[/quote]
Fair enough. Although I don’t believe you need to be a competing athlete to want to stay athletic. That is not striving for mediocrity, it is just not striving for the same goals as you. As far as bringing this websites primary focus back to bodybuilding, it hasn’t been there for years despite the “bodybuildings think tank” slogan.
Not sure why you can’t grasp the concept to being physically prepared for whatever comes your way, IE general sports performance. If your friends ask if you want to go mountain biking do you tell them “sorry I don’t train for that”? I train to be fast, powerful AND strong, so that my body can do whatever is asked of it.[/quote]
If your friends ask you to go squat more than 405lbs, what do you tell them?
There is no possible way you can be “physically prepared for every possible feat of strength or activity on the planet”. Hell, I’m military reserve and could get called back at any moment technically speaking. We are geared to be prepared for most situations (I spent the last 4 years with a suitcase packed and ready to go by the front door). That still doesn’t mean I plan on training as if I can be equally good at tennis, baseball, football, benching 500lbs and cross country running. What you are saying sounds like some gimmick used to sell books or magazines. It sounds great to newbies who don’t have a clue but it isn’t likely in the least when it comes to reality.
Why can’t you squat over 400lbs for several reps? Why can’t you bench press over 500lbs? Wouldn’t that make you capable of many more feats of strength and activities than just mountain-biking?
You sure do seem limited unless you can do those as well. You also don’t seem “prepared for anything” if you can’t do them.
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I was picturing you as more a Harley guy, like most of the dentist I know. I’ll concede there is some degree of athleticism to riding a sport bike and even more to riding a dirt bike. I don’t own a bike now, but I have. Hell of a lot easier to ride than a mountain bike.[/quote]
At least you admitted that. Like written earlier, people would do best to avoid stereotyping me.
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See Bo Jackson[/quote]
I looked up to the man when I was a little kid like he was a Demi-God, but even I recognized he had limitations. I also know a genetic freak when I see one who is unlike 99% of the people on the planet.
Most of the people here that this is directed at ARE striving for mediocrity. They bathe in it. They roll around in it like pigs in mud and flaunt it like we should all applaud them for it.
If that isn’t evident to you, I can only wonder if you need a new prescription for eyewear. I doubt most people have trouble seeing it lately.